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Post by matthieu1221 on Sept 30, 2023 19:15:04 GMT
This strike in particular as well is regarding something which will affect us all (more than just pay -- which often seems to irk some on this forum) -- station staffing -- or lack thereof. Which has been particularly visible during previous overtime bans leading to frequent station closures. I have noticed Holland Park, Queensway and Lancaster Gate stations to be closed fairly regularly over the past few months At one point in time a few months ago, Lancaster Gate was closed more often than it was opened. DG had a post about it with his usual lovely set of stats (wasn't particularly good looking already in terms of closures) and amazingly it got even worse after.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 30, 2023 20:03:27 GMT
Bizarrely I’ve never really minded about transport strikes which make my journey to and fro more difficult. I find it a challenge almost , but also it’s a fundamental right workers should always have, especially those on low incomes. My trip to work on the 4th will be three buses, and I’m making sure I’m getting on at the first stops. This strike in particular as well is regarding something which will affect us all (more than just pay -- which often seems to irk some on this forum) -- station staffing -- or lack thereof. Which has been particularly visible during previous overtime bans leading to frequent station closures. Aren't these strikes about job losses? Losses that would actually save TfL a lot of money to either reduce their debt or to reinvest in the transport network? I imagine the reduction in jobs is what's scared people but I don't think striking about is the way to go about it. You're proving that London moves on without you. The staff can strike, but they're just proving the point that they cause more of a nuisance than a benefit to Londoners, if there's 600 of these being made redundant then that's 600 people who will soon realise what they once had and that striking was simply holding innocent people to ransom for selfish gain. There's another doctor's strike this week, despite they're striking a lot of them have worked their shifts around to ensure that A&E and emergency surgery continues to be covered. This means that people don't often see the benefit of the strikes as in many cases it can make a hospital seem like it's operating normally. These are the people that we really should get behind.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 30, 2023 23:26:31 GMT
This strike in particular as well is regarding something which will affect us all (more than just pay -- which often seems to irk some on this forum) -- station staffing -- or lack thereof. Which has been particularly visible during previous overtime bans leading to frequent station closures. There's another doctor's strike this week, despite they're striking a lot of them have worked their shifts around to ensure that A&E and emergency surgery continues to be covered. This means that people don't often see the benefit of the strikes as in many cases it can make a hospital seem like it's operating normally. These are the people that we really should get behind. I get behind all striking staff regardless of who they work for so not interested in picking this over that but that's not what I came here for In the doctors/nurse/consultants case, I've controversially said they shouldn't even do any emergency care because you'll soon get the government listening then when people are dropping like flies. Now people will slate me for such a horrific view but when people's support for these strikes is higher than others, the government surely wouldn't like to be remembered for being charge when even emergency care was withdrawn.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 1, 2023 11:30:28 GMT
This strike in particular as well is regarding something which will affect us all (more than just pay -- which often seems to irk some on this forum) -- station staffing -- or lack thereof. Which has been particularly visible during previous overtime bans leading to frequent station closures. Aren't these strikes about job losses? Losses that would actually save TfL a lot of money to either reduce their debt or to reinvest in the transport network? I imagine the reduction in jobs is what's scared people but I don't think striking about is the way to go about it. You're proving that London moves on without you. The staff can strike, but they're just proving the point that they cause more of a nuisance than a benefit to Londoners, if there's 600 of these being made redundant then that's 600 people who will soon realise what they once had and that striking was simply holding innocent people to ransom for selfish gain. There's another doctor's strike this week, despite they're striking a lot of them have worked their shifts around to ensure that A&E and emergency surgery continues to be covered. This means that people don't often see the benefit of the strikes as in many cases it can make a hospital seem like it's operating normally. These are the people that we really should get behind. Yes, station staff losses. The network has been relying on overtime to cover gaps so station closures will only get worse and more frequent if this goes through.
Sure TfL would save money from this, but passengers at the usual targets for station closures (usually smaller ones/no interchange sacrificed to staff bigger stations) will suffer. Unless the underground station staffing requirement goes away, this is the reality that some passenger will have to live with on a regular basis.
So in this case, the strike, if successful, will in the long term be *less* disruptive than having a lack of station staff in the future -- since you like to frame the issue as being about what is more disruptive to you.
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Post by redbus on Oct 1, 2023 11:38:55 GMT
There's another doctor's strike this week, despite they're striking a lot of them have worked their shifts around to ensure that A&E and emergency surgery continues to be covered. This means that people don't often see the benefit of the strikes as in many cases it can make a hospital seem like it's operating normally. These are the people that we really should get behind. I get behind all striking staff regardless of who they work for so not interested in picking this over that but that's not what I came here for In the doctors/nurse/consultants case, I've controversially said they shouldn't even do any emergency care because you'll soon get the government listening then when people are dropping like flies. Now people will slate me for such a horrific view but when people's support for these strikes is higher than others, the government surely wouldn't like to be remembered for being charge when even emergency care was withdrawn. There is no guarantee people will blame the government if emergency services were withdrawn, instead there is the possibility that people will stop supporting the medical professionals instead. I would not like to forecast what would happen and where support would lie in such a horrific scenario. For example there was the horrendous motorway accident with a coach full of school children the other day - imagine the pictures of them being taken to a hospital with a picket line and no one prepared to treat them. I wouldn't like to say who would be blamed for that one. None of what I have said changes the merits of the medics case, it is simply a question of what is the best action for them to take to both maintain support and get a reasonable pay rise, and I am not convinced withdrawing emergency care is the best action.
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Post by richard on Oct 2, 2023 16:58:01 GMT
Due to planned strike action by station staff, severe disruption is expected across the London Underground network on Wednesday 4 and Friday 6 October.
If the strikes go ahead, most Tube services will be severely impacted or will not run on either day, with disruption expected into the mornings of Thursday 5 and Saturday 7 October as the network recovers following the strike action.
Any Tube services that we are able to run will start at 07:00 and stations will open as soon as they are safe to do so after that. These services will also finish early, with customers advised to complete their journeys by 17:30. The Night Tube will not operate on Friday 6 October.
Elizabeth line, London Overground, DLR and London Tram services are expected to run as normal but may be subject to last minute changes, including non-stopping at stations shared with London Underground, and will be busier than usual. These services will be running to normal times.
Night Overground services will run but will not stop at Whitechapel or Canada Water stations. Elizabeth line services will operate normally outside of central London but may be busier than usual.
London buses are also expected to run as normal during this planned strike action but customers should leave more time for their journeys, as it is expected that many routes will be extremely busy.
No strike action is planned on other TfL services.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 3, 2023 12:05:58 GMT
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 3, 2023 16:49:45 GMT
Looks like TfL have figured out that the station staff cuts are unsustainable without running solely on overtime to avoid most station closures?
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 3, 2023 20:42:47 GMT
Looks like TfL have figured out that the station staff cuts are unsustainable without running solely on overtime to avoid most station closures? Hopefully some headway is being made to avoid more strikes in the future.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 4, 2023 11:40:08 GMT
There's a bunch of other more technical roster things that were agreed on but the commitment to fill some of the vacant station staff positions which were going to be cut is encouraging news for passengers who are regulars of smaller underground stations which need to be staffed by law.
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Post by joefrombow on Oct 4, 2023 14:55:20 GMT
There's a bunch of other more technical roster things that were agreed on but the commitment to fill some of the vacant station staff positions which were going to be cut is encouraging news for passengers who are regulars of smaller underground stations which need to be staffed by law. What are css1 and css2 are css2 the staff who detrain at places like Barking , Harrow , Waterloo ?
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 5, 2023 21:22:12 GMT
There's a bunch of other more technical roster things that were agreed on but the commitment to fill some of the vacant station staff positions which were going to be cut is encouraging news for passengers who are regulars of smaller underground stations which need to be staffed by law. What are css1 and css2 are css2 the staff who detrain at places like Barking , Harrow , Waterloo ? These FOI released documents might be of interest:
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 9, 2023 4:17:11 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 12, 2023 12:27:23 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 20, 2023 23:46:03 GMT
Well it seems RMT has not. Which begs the question. Are RMT members and Aslef members on different pay grades; I dread to think that could even be possible as it would create a lot of friction.Tube workers vote to strike over pay, union saysLondon Underground workers have voted to strike in a dispute over pay, a trade union has confirmed.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67763625
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