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Post by ServerKing on Nov 4, 2014 19:25:32 GMT
ouch my eyes!! Looks even worse than the drawings Only sort of positive thing I could say is the B5TL looks far more proportioned than the Streetdeck does - still two horrific looking vehicles though. Why do the headlights look like they've not been finished and added on as an afterthought? I'm sure I'll adjust (reaches for Optrex from medicine cabinet) now to wash my eyes... I just knew the papers would pounce on this..
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 4, 2014 21:37:11 GMT
It'll look even worse in about 7 years time when they start being repainted by TfL companies- you can guarantee at least one will repaint the black bits around the upper deck windows making it look even more clumsy
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 4, 2014 22:19:57 GMT
It really isn't bad at all, in fact it's much more proportional than the Gemini 3 B5LH, just like the Gemini 3 B5TL is. It almost looks perfect imo, only ruined by those awkwardly shaped front windscreens!. I suppose that's a way of differentiating between the Streetdeck and Gemini 3 B5TL.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 5, 2014 0:00:05 GMT
The main ways to tell the difference between the two is by the taller grille and the visable offside exhaust pipe on the B5TL.
The awkward shaped windscreens and the headlights ruin it.
What is funny is that before the gemini 3 (2013 model) was announced I said to David21 I bet wrightbus will make the headlights similar to the streetlite. I was wrong the first time around but this design the lights are similar to the streetlite.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 6, 2014 19:08:49 GMT
Now I have been told by a source that the 2013 Gemini 3 was a stop gap as Wrightbus had to show something for euro 6, meanwhile the 'real' 2014 (15) Gemini 3 & Streetdeck come into place. So this is the new design, I am being told they wanted something different from the 'old smiley face' which has been around since 2001 now. Current orders for the 2013 model will be fulfilled but any new orders this will be the new design. Whether the Gemini 3 B5LHs for TT are this new model or the 2013 Gen we will have to wait and see.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 6, 2014 20:06:19 GMT
Now I have been told by a source that the 2013 Gemini 3 was a stop gap as Wrightbus had to show something for euro 6, meanwhile the 'real' 2014 (15) Gemini 3 & Streetdeck come into place. So this is the new design, I am being told they wanted something different from the 'old smiley face' which has been around since 2001 now. Current orders for the 2013 model will be fulfilled but any new orders this will be the new design. Whether the Gemini 3 B5LHs for TT are this new model or the 2013 Gen we will have to wait and see. I am guessing the TT ones will be the 2013 version, and the order itself was placed in 2013 and before the model was unveiled.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 6, 2014 20:23:34 GMT
Now I have been told by a source that the 2013 Gemini 3 was a stop gap as Wrightbus had to show something for euro 6, meanwhile the 'real' 2014 (15) Gemini 3 & Streetdeck come into place. So this is the new design, I am being told they wanted something different from the 'old smiley face' which has been around since 2001 now. Current orders for the 2013 model will be fulfilled but any new orders this will be the new design. Whether the Gemini 3 B5LHs for TT are this new model or the 2013 Gen we will have to wait and see. I am guessing the TT ones will be the 2013 version, and the order itself was placed in 2013 and before the model was unveiled. You do mean the order was placed in 2014 right? seeing as they are for the 212 a contract that was won only this year lol. While I am inclined to agree, I bare in mind operators may have inside knowledge from manufacturers of new vehices that the public do not have. So not because the new Gemini 3 was just announced to the public this week, does not mean that operators may not have known about it for a while. Which is why I said what I said about the TT order.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2014 22:57:59 GMT
I am guessing the TT ones will be the 2013 version, and the order itself was placed in 2013 and before the model was unveiled. You do mean the order was placed in 2014 right? seeing as they are for the 212 a contract that was won only this year lol. While I am inclined to agree, I bare in mind operators may have inside knowledge from manufacturers of new vehices that the public do not have. So not because the new Gemini 3 was just announced to the public this week, does not mean that operators may not have known about it for a while. Which is why I said what I said about the TT order. The operators will have known for a long while what the manufacturers were up to. It is essential for the operators to know of developments and equally essential for the manufacturers to tell them and to try to persuade them to order their buses. I would expect that a 2014 order for delivery next year will probably be the new model as I assume Volvo and Wrights are perfectly content with their ability to create a London spec vehicle. I may have it wrong but I assume much of the current Gemini 3 bodywork (as on the Stagecoach vehicles) will carry over to future deliveries with simply the vehicle front changing. I'm intrigued as to what will be delivered for the 177 given the lack of news about those buses. Clearly the fully Wrights made Streetdeck is different as that is brand new and there seems to be a concentration on building the 200 extra NB4Ls for London and pushing the Streetdeck for provincial operators. I can only assume that Wrights have taken soundings as to the likely scale of cascades and new deliveries in London hence the lack of rush to push the Streetdeck in London spec. They've probably taken a bit of a risk in assuming that Volvo hybrids with Gemini 3 bodies are an adequate offer for London together with the diesel B5TL if London want any new diesel deckers. All mad speculation on my part.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 7, 2014 0:57:03 GMT
You do mean the order was placed in 2014 right? seeing as they are for the 212 a contract that was won only this year lol. While I am inclined to agree, I bare in mind operators may have inside knowledge from manufacturers of new vehices that the public do not have. So not because the new Gemini 3 was just announced to the public this week, does not mean that operators may not have known about it for a while. Which is why I said what I said about the TT order. The operators will have known for a long while what the manufacturers were up to. It is essential for the operators to know of developments and equally essential for the manufacturers to tell them and to try to persuade them to order their buses. Precisely what I thought, now I am certain that operators know what is going on lol.
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Post by Nathan on Nov 7, 2014 1:01:37 GMT
Wright, I'm confused So the StreetDeck is an entirely new bus. It's not a revised Gemini 3 with a different chassis?
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Post by Volvo on Nov 7, 2014 2:15:47 GMT
Wright, I'm confused So the StreetDeck is an entirely new bus. It's not a revised Gemini 3 with a different chassis? Yes the streetdeck an entirely new bus that shares the same body with the Gemini 3 but different chassis/engine and the new Gemini 3 is a revised front and rear (Slight) of the current version. Possibly it would have been easier if the kept the same Gemini 3 or streetdeck name for both as they both have the exact same body as with the B9TL/B5LH & DB300 Gemini 2. The streetdeck in essence just replaces the DB300.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2014 2:21:30 GMT
Wright, I'm confused So the StreetDeck is an entirely new bus. It's not a revised Gemini 3 with a different chassis? Yes the streetdeck an entirely new bus that shares the same body with the Gemini 3 but different chassis/engine and the new Gemini 3 is a revised front and rear (Slight) of the current version. Possibly it would have been easier if the kept the same Gemini 3 or streetdeck name for both as they both have the exact same body as with the B9TL/B5LH & DB300 Gemini 2. The streetdeck in essence just replaces the DB300. The worst thing Wrightbus ever did was drop the Eclipse & Pulsar words - now, we could have the Wrightbus Eclipse Gemini3 and the Wrightbus Pulsar Streetdeck which would make things so much easier.
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Post by snowman on Nov 7, 2014 7:41:19 GMT
Wright, I'm confused So the StreetDeck is an entirely new bus. It's not a revised Gemini 3 with a different chassis? Yes the streetdeck an entirely new bus that shares the same body with the Gemini 3 but different chassis/engine and the new Gemini 3 is a revised front and rear (Slight) of the current version. Possibly it would have been easier if the kept the same Gemini 3 or streetdeck name for both as they both have the exact same body as with the B9TL/B5LH & DB300 Gemini 2. The streetdeck in essence just replaces the DB300. In a way the streetdeck is a new bus with shared parts, as already stated the body is common to Gemini3, the chassis is common to the nb4L (except behind rear axle). The Gemini3s delivered this year are basically Gemini3 with the old Gemini2 front end. I'm guessing the demonstators built to the interim design will be sold off, probably suitable for a park and ride operator, but if anyone takes those three red TfL spec ones in our area my money is on Sulivans
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Post by Volvo on Nov 7, 2014 9:11:22 GMT
Yes the streetdeck an entirely new bus that shares the same body with the Gemini 3 but different chassis/engine and the new Gemini 3 is a revised front and rear (Slight) of the current version. Possibly it would have been easier if the kept the same Gemini 3 or streetdeck name for both as they both have the exact same body as with the B9TL/B5LH & DB300 Gemini 2. The streetdeck in essence just replaces the DB300. The ones delivered this year are basically Gemini3 with the old Gemini2 front en Unless you are talking about a Streetdeck Integral (Daimler Engine) that was delivered to First South Yorkshire last month. There has been no other streetdecks, the rest of demonstrators and production vehicles are Gemini 3s.
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 9, 2014 16:44:23 GMT
The ones delivered this year are basically Gemini3 with the old Gemini2 front en Unless you are talking about a Streetdeck Integral (Daimler Engine) that was delivered to First South Yorkshire last month. There has been no other streetdecks, the rest of demonstrators and production vehicles are Gemini 3s. The example at First South Yorkshire (not my pic) www.flickr.com/photos/75694280@N02/15517208802/Is the old Gemini 3-bodied StreetDeck (35101 if you want to look out for any forthcoming YouTube vids) - which looked fine...
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