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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 5, 2015 22:43:24 GMT
Well, we are at another Strike  Said to be the worst yet. Can we expect any special workings and extras on buses? |
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Post by M1104 on Jul 5, 2015 23:24:38 GMT
Unless it gets cancelled beforehand
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Post by paulsw2 on Jul 6, 2015 1:07:17 GMT
Unless it gets cancelled beforehand I don't think it will be called off as this dispute affects all grades over the combine |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 2:27:08 GMT
It's possible that it could get called off but there's not much time left.
Based on the previous strike I would imagine that the 25 will have many extras including those ensign bendy coaches and also RMs.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 6, 2015 7:55:19 GMT
If you believe the "vibes" from the strike talks that Tom Edwards of the BBC has reported then I cannot see the strike being called off. Management don't appear to be budging (no surprise there) and there's little reason for the unions to do so given they have a strong mandate - especially ASLEF. It's rare for ASLEF to be in dispute with LU so this is a serious issue for them,=.
My guess is that management don't want to budge because they believe that they can proceed without an agreement as they seem to have done over the station staffing changes. Further I suspect the economics of the Night Tube, which aren't brilliant to start with, will worsen significantly if they concede extra money or amended working arrangements. The bigger problem for management is that the Night Tube is a political scheme that the Mayor is linked with. Therefore there will be acute embarrassment if it doesn't launch on 12 September.
It'll be interesting to see how things pan out.
One thing to bear in mind re buses is that a proportion of bus staff are reliant on the tube for travel to / from work and for crew reliefs during the day. This means it'll be much harder to run the normal service anyway and that's before the roads are choked with extra cars all trying to get through the monstrous road works we currently have. I doubt many routes will run properly on Wednesday - maybe local routes in South London will be OK but North of the Thames will be awful.
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Post by snowman on Jul 6, 2015 15:02:01 GMT
The BBC are reporting that the strike is definitely on.
The Independent is reporting that TfL haven't changed their offer for 3 months. There has been set up costs of £10.9m for night tube and initial 5 lines will cost £27.9m per year extra. Possibly wont break even (extra revenue over cost) for 18 years. So TfL unlikely to want to pay more.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 6, 2015 15:06:28 GMT
The BBC are reporting that the strike is definitely on. The Independent is reporting that TfL haven't changed their offer for 3 months. There has been set up costs of £10.9m for night tube and initial 5 lines will cost £27.9m per year extra. Possibly wont break even (extra revenue over cost) for 18 years. So TfL unlikely to want to pay more. Can't do the links on my phone LU have tabled another offer but demanded a TU reply by 1830 today. Unions say they cannot respond by that deadline. ASLEF have said strike is definitely on, RMT have said they will recommend rejection of the revised "Divisive and unacceptable" offer. (Source - BBC Tom Edwards on Twitter). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 16:38:05 GMT
What exactly is the issue?
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Post by snoggle on Jul 6, 2015 16:47:48 GMT
What exactly is the issue? How to arrange rosters for the Night Tube service plus the pay deal. LU just want to change rosters without any monetary compensation for working overnight. Naturally the unions want additional payments for the extra unsocial hours being worked and they want a better pay offer for the annual pay increase. That's my understanding but I don't get to see anything official these days. RMT news 6/7RMT backgroundASLEF Strike ballot result |
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Post by John tuthill on Jul 6, 2015 17:29:24 GMT
What exactly is the issue? How to arrange rosters for the Night Tube service plus the pay deal. LU just want to change rosters without any monetary compensation for working overnight. Naturally the unions want additional payments for the extra unsocial hours being worked and they want a better pay offer for the annual pay increase. That's my understanding but I don't get to see anything official these days. RMT news 6/7RMT backgroundASLEF Strike ballot resultMaybe I'm being too simplistic, but couldn't the same 'pay formula' used for night bus drivers be used as a template? Would the knobheads at LU work or have their T&Cs changed without discussion and remuneration?  |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 6, 2015 21:04:52 GMT
The view from the ASLEF negotiating team of LU's tactics. If we assume it is true then you have to wonder quite what is going on. Sounds a tad shambolic but then we have new management people on the LU side and the old long established negotiating relationships are long gone. |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 7, 2015 13:28:48 GMT
Well, we are at another Strike Said to be the worst yet. Can we expect any special workings and extras on buses? On the assumption the strike goes ahead then the TfL advice page is indicating that 200 extra buses will be in operation. No indication as to the routes they might be used on. The talks between LU and the unions have resumed so we'll see what happens. Given I've now posted about extra buses the strike will likely be cancelled given I've jinxed the last couple of "vintage bus running days" by doing so.   |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 7, 2015 16:17:10 GMT
Well, we are at another Strike Said to be the worst yet. Can we expect any special workings and extras on buses? On the assumption the strike goes ahead then the TfL advice page is indicating that 200 extra buses will be in operation. No indication as to the routes they might be used on. The talks between LU and the unions have resumed so we'll see what happens. Given I've now posted about extra buses the strike will likely be cancelled given I've jinxed the last couple of "vintage bus running days" by doing so. Reading it, all lines are expected to be completely out. This could call for some extras on routes different to last time |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 7, 2015 16:23:12 GMT
On the assumption the strike goes ahead then the TfL advice page is indicating that 200 extra buses will be in operation. No indication as to the routes they might be used on. The talks between LU and the unions have resumed so we'll see what happens. Given I've now posted about extra buses the strike will likely be cancelled given I've jinxed the last couple of "vintage bus running days" by doing so. Reading it, all lines are expected to be completely out. This could call for some extras on routes different to last time Well I reckon TfL have a bit of a challenge on their hands because the traditional area for extra buses is the 8 / 25 / 205 but why put on extra buses so they just sit for ages in traffic jams? Further there is a race in the City of London in the early evening which will wreck early evening bus services and may well cause issues for drivers trying to get off shift and buses back to garages. The other huge problem area will be Elephant and Castle. Legions of people change to the tube there or change buses. Can you imagine the squash on those routes that run across E&C with all the people chucked off 468s, 155s, 333s, 363s, 136s etc etc? Oh and let's not forget the place grinds to a complete halt every rush hour because of the roadworks. I suspect Vauxhall will also be dreadful. The BBC are saying the strike is definitely on so chaos will reign. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 7, 2015 16:30:04 GMT
Reading it, all lines are expected to be completely out. This could call for some extras on routes different to last time Well I reckon TfL have a bit of a challenge on their hands because the traditional area for extra buses is the 8 / 25 / 205 but why put on extra buses so they just sit for ages in traffic jams? Further there is a race in the City of London in the early evening which will wreck early evening bus services and may well cause issues for drivers trying to get off shift and buses back to garages. The other huge problem area will be Elephant and Castle. Legions of people change to the tube there or change buses. Can you imagine the squash on those routes that run across E&C with all the people chucked off 468s, 155s, 333s, 363s, 136s etc etc? Oh and let's not forget the place grinds to a complete halt every rush hour because of the roadworks. I suspect Vauxhall will also be dreadful. The BBC are saying the strike is definitely on so chaos will reign. You also have the question what will happen to routes where driver changeovers require the tube? I am starting to wonder if 200 extra buses is actually enough for the network. I would hate to imagine Oxford Streey without the tube and not forgetting my local Stratford. |
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Said to be the worst yet. Can we expect any special workings and extras on buses?
