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Post by snoggle on Jul 8, 2015 20:09:06 GMT
So a Tube strike is the reason for swearing. Yes. No *it* isn't. It's a tube strike for a day and a bit. It's not a nuclear war or the end of civilisation or pestilence being visited on the streets. It will be inconvenient for people. It's happened umpteen times before and will happen again. We've had far more disruptive strikes than this one and in the past we've had them combined with bus and rail strikes too. I know you're young but please get a sense of proportion.
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 8, 2015 20:15:12 GMT
The strike hasn't started yet, and there's already chaos in Tooting! Traffic isn't moving on Tooting High Street. Tooting is like that anyway .
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 8, 2015 20:19:06 GMT
Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but couldn't the same 'pay formula' used for night bus drivers be used as a template? Would the knobheads at LU work or have their T&Cs changed without discussion and remuneration? I am one of the knobheads to which you refer. Makes a change from more derogatry terms. I dunno what arrangements bus drivers have but I would point out that each individual company has its own pay & conditions. On top of that, buses and trains are very different, its like comparing cake with soup - I should know as I've worked on both. What exactly is the issue? Good question. LU's multi year pay deal ran out in April and was due up for renegotiation. The Unions submitted their claims and the company responded with its offer, which included conditions related to night tube - something the Unions believed was a seperate issue. At This time LU also produced duty sheets which had rota lines such as late turns up until Thursday, nights Friday & Saturday, Sunday rest (despite finishing at 8am) then earlies from Monday! This is of course totally unacceptable (ie, lates to nights to earlies in 4 days). LU effectively ripped up the Professional Train Operators Agreement and ignored rostering parameters in order to deliver "night tube". The Unions told LU that they wanted to discuss and settle the basic pay deal first then look at night tube seperately after. LU refused and the two sides have remained stagnant since. Then yesterday, after three months of no movement, LU suddenly revised their offer which included £2,000 for drivers directly affected by night tube - but the offer was full & final and had to be accepted by 18.30 The Unions informed LU that the deadline was unrealistic as it didn't allow enough time to pass through the proper machinery, so LU withdrew their offer and there is thus currently nothing at all on the table. Therefore, the strike is very much on. Frankly, LU's "offer" yesterday was deliberately designed so that they could put into the media that they offered drivers £2,000 and it was rejected thus making us look like greedy bastards when the truth is completely different. It wasn't rejected by drivers - it was withdrawn by LU!! To add a little more meat to the current state of industrial relations, the last round of timetable changes saw a general increase in weekend working. For example, at my depot (Upminster) our current roster has a block of 20 weeks where we work every weekend! This has been resolved with a local agreement in place using our pool drivers to cover a couple of weekends to break it up, but the situation should never have come about in the first place. That was no typo - 20 weekends on the trot! Really doesn't surprise me. TfL are really good at spin. It is bad enough with relatively minor things like the West Anglia Class 317 issues, but to turn the public against their employees and putting them at risk of assault just shows how much little respect TfL have for their employees .
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 8, 2015 20:23:46 GMT
It's going to be hell tomorrow and Thursday. Because not only is the London Underground going on strike but First Great Western is also apparently going on strike from tomorrow until Saturday morning. Source!It doesn't really affect the "London & Thames Valley" local stopping services, more the longer distance services to/from London and local services elsewhere. And people have other alternatives, various South West Trains stations are near the LUL lines in the area, like Hounslow, Brentford, Kew Bridge, Chiswick etc.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 8, 2015 20:28:45 GMT
Highbury & Islington station is apparently closed :/ all pax were being sent to Canonbury... No surprise there - it'll cause huge issues for people tomorrow. Quite how Canonbury will cope I don't know - that tiny ticket hall!
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Post by COBO on Jul 8, 2015 20:37:08 GMT
It's going to be hell tomorrow and Thursday. Because not only is the London Underground going on strike but First Great Western is also apparently going on strike from tomorrow until Saturday morning. Source!It doesn't really affect the "London & Thames Valley" local stopping services, more the longer distance services to/from London and local services elsewhere. Plus various South West Trains stations are near the LUL lines in the area, like Hounslow, Brentford, Kew Bridge, Chiswick etc. I thought that all of the First Great Western was out.
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 8, 2015 20:45:15 GMT
It doesn't really affect the "London & Thames Valley" local stopping services, more the longer distance services to/from London and local services elsewhere. Plus various South West Trains stations are near the LUL lines in the area, like Hounslow, Brentford, Kew Bridge, Chiswick etc. I thought that all of the First Great Western was out. Well, your Greenford service doesn't operate at all, which is why it may have seemed like that. But the normal service at Southall or Ealing Broadway will operate. www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/travel-updates/strike-information-updates
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 8, 2015 20:48:27 GMT
No *it* isn't. It's a tube strike for a day and a bit. It's not a nuclear war or the end of civilisation or pestilence being visited on the streets. It will be inconvenient for people. It's happened umpteen times before and will happen again. We've had far more disruptive strikes than this one and in the past we've had them combined with bus and rail strikes too. I know you're young but please get a sense of proportion. Ease up on the guy.... We all have our moments when we lose it
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Post by COBO on Jul 8, 2015 20:50:55 GMT
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 8, 2015 21:12:29 GMT
Early signs are that the bus Twitter and Traffic Twitter accounts wont be helpful.
I know there is a strike!!! Tell me the buses that are rammed and the roads that are gridlocked please!!
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Post by rambo on Jul 8, 2015 21:16:53 GMT
Good luck to the tube drivers, wished bus drivers had the bottle to do it.
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Post by rmz19 on Jul 8, 2015 21:23:03 GMT
No *it* isn't. It's a tube strike for a day and a bit. It's not a nuclear war or the end of civilisation or pestilence being visited on the streets. It will be inconvenient for people. It's happened umpteen times before and will happen again. We've had far more disruptive strikes than this one and in the past we've had them combined with bus and rail strikes too. I know you're young but please get a sense of proportion. You're completely right, it's not the end of the world. But the first thing I did this morning when I remembered there was a strike was swear Surely a bit of swearing is alright as a reaction to the fact that my £144 monthly travelcard is not being used to its full potential
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Post by snoggle on Jul 8, 2015 21:32:56 GMT
No *it* isn't. It's a tube strike for a day and a bit. It's not a nuclear war or the end of civilisation or pestilence being visited on the streets. It will be inconvenient for people. It's happened umpteen times before and will happen again. We've had far more disruptive strikes than this one and in the past we've had them combined with bus and rail strikes too. I know you're young but please get a sense of proportion. You're completely right, it's not the end of the world. But the first thing I did this morning when I remembered there was a strike was swear Surely a bit of swearing is alright as a reaction to the fact that my £144 monthly travelcard is not being used to its full potential Grumbling under your breath and in relative private is OK. The OP said the same thing about 5 times on a public discussion group. It's simply disproportionate. Unless I've missed something the OP is a young chap who is perfectly able to walk and get about without undue difficulty. If he was old, struggling to get about quickly and had to get to hospital tomorrow by public transport and was stressing about the journey then I might be able to understand a somewhat stressed posting but even that's stretching it. It's a tube strike, they happen, they're a pain in the posterior if you have to get about but that's about it. I've dealt with loads of the things including getting in to and back from the office plus standing out in the street for hours on end with virutually no help or information and dealing with hundreds of people needing to travel during previous strikes. None of that is a real hardship though.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2015 21:49:55 GMT
The tube strike has done the opposite to Brixton - it turned it into a ghost town and even at work today, it went quiet from 18:30. Only saw three packed buses all evening & night - 2 133's in a row were both rammed solid and a 355 was jammed packed.
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Post by allan60 on Jul 8, 2015 23:18:51 GMT
9765 on route 211 spotted at fulham broadway
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