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Post by ibus246 on Feb 6, 2018 11:10:09 GMT
Go to somewhere like Brent Cross bus station, just tap your pass on each bus that pulls up to the stop and get off. Sure you could be that figure by doing this. Why would anyone even do this? On a serious note, are there many realistic cases of using the unlimited hopper fare where the only way to reach the destination requires more than one change of bus & is within an hour - for example, a Chipstead Valley to Worcester Park journey has to be done via a 166, S1 and then a 151/213/X26. I was able to do the 359 Purley to Addington, 353 to Orpington then the B14 to Bexleyheath - as a realistic journey not just for fun
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Post by snoggle on Feb 6, 2018 12:30:10 GMT
Does the Hopper also work with Contactless? Yes it does, in exactly the same way so far as charging is concerned.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 6, 2018 12:37:04 GMT
Bit harsh on the mayor, haven't we all done that? A bus being paused and people piling off en masse onto a bus behind really isn't satisfactory. Err I might have done it when I was 10 years old, not when I was 47 (the Mayor's age). I appreciate he likes to be all "fun" in front of the cameras but it struck me as a bit pathetic for someone in his position. Who said anything about people piling off buses "en masse"? I made a simple observation about an aspect of the Hopper ticket I hadn't appreciated. Don't turn that into some sort of exaggerated issue. I doubt the average bus user will watch Geoff's video or read this forum so most people won't twig anyway.
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Post by sid on Feb 6, 2018 12:57:36 GMT
Bit harsh on the mayor, haven't we all done that? A bus being paused and people piling off en masse onto a bus behind really isn't satisfactory. Err I might have done it when I was 10 years old, not when I was 47 (the Mayor's age). I appreciate he likes to be all "fun" in front of the cameras but it struck me as a bit pathetic for someone in his position. Who said anything about people piling off buses "en masse"? I made a simple observation about an aspect of the Hopper ticket I hadn't appreciated. Don't turn that into some sort of exaggerated issue. I doubt the average bus user will watch Geoff's video or read this forum so most people won't twig anyway. Oh dear let's have a bit of perspective before anymore bickering develops! I suspect that the mayors comment about pretending to drive the bus was made in jest, I don't suppose he really does that at the age of 47? What exaggerated issue? I was simply making an observation, not at what you had said but the general idea of people getting off a 'paused bus' onto the one behind.
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Post by snowman on Feb 6, 2018 13:10:17 GMT
Does the Hopper also work with Contactless? Yes it does, in exactly the same way so far as charging is concerned. There is a common misconception that contactless works straight away (because it was described by certain officials as coming straight from your bank), however it actually logs and accumulates during the day, will then cap the amount (if required), then only take one payment at end of day
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Post by snoggle on Feb 6, 2018 13:46:19 GMT
Yes it does, in exactly the same way so far as charging is concerned. There is a common misconception that contactless works straight away (because it was described by certain officials as coming straight from your bank), however it actually logs and accumulates during the day, will then cap the amount (if required), then only take one payment at end of day Yes I know exactly how it works. My comment was that the charge to the customer would be the same.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 6, 2018 13:48:23 GMT
Err I might have done it when I was 10 years old, not when I was 47 (the Mayor's age). I appreciate he likes to be all "fun" in front of the cameras but it struck me as a bit pathetic for someone in his position. Who said anything about people piling off buses "en masse"? I made a simple observation about an aspect of the Hopper ticket I hadn't appreciated. Don't turn that into some sort of exaggerated issue. I doubt the average bus user will watch Geoff's video or read this forum so most people won't twig anyway. Oh dear let's have a bit of perspective before anymore bickering develops! I suspect that the mayors comment about pretending to drive the bus was made in jest, I don't suppose he really does that at the age of 47? What exaggerated issue? I was simply making an observation, not at what you had said but the general idea of people getting off a 'paused bus' onto the one behind. I have perfect perspective thanks very much and don't need to be instructed to find some. Watch the video, see what the Mayor says and the actions he does about pretending to steer the bus. As I said he was clearly trying to be "funny" - I just don't think it worked that's all.
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Post by sid on Feb 6, 2018 14:04:44 GMT
Oh dear let's have a bit of perspective before anymore bickering develops! I suspect that the mayors comment about pretending to drive the bus was made in jest, I don't suppose he really does that at the age of 47? What exaggerated issue? I was simply making an observation, not at what you had said but the general idea of people getting off a 'paused bus' onto the one behind. I have perfect perspective thanks very much and don't need to be instructed to find some. Watch the video, see what the Mayor says and the actions he does about pretending to steer the bus. As I said he was clearly trying to be "funny" - I just don't think it worked that's all. I thought it was mildly amusing but as always humour is subjective, we all have different tastes.
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Post by theorangeone on Feb 6, 2018 18:03:20 GMT
There's a few other points I made on the video which were cut from the final edit.
The other thing I find useful with the Hopper is it goes some way to eliminating waiting for buses. I was travelling from Oxford Circus to Bethnal Green Road yesterday, a journey which prior to last week I'd have done via 25 to Bank, 8 to Bethnal Green, and prior to the introduction of the original Hopper I'd have done by jumping on a 55 and then walking (my destination is between Bethnal Green Road and Hackney Road).
What I ended up doing was 73 to Tottenham Court Road, 19 to Red Lion Street, 521 to St Paul's, 242 to Liverpool Street, 388 to Bethnal Green Road. The thought process changed from "this is the bus to the Bethnal Green area" to "I need to go east. That bus goes east. Let's get that one as far as it goes, then repeat". Would it have been easier to wait for the correct combination? Probably. Was it faster this way? Yes, marginally.
Yet another point I'd made was that if you miss a bus by seconds, jumping on the bus behind can sometimes allow you to catch it up. For example, heading south on the A21 corridor from Lewisham, if you miss a 208 by seconds jumping on a 47 could allow you to catch it up - as the 208 will be picking up most of the southbound passengers, the 47 will mostly be doing drop-offs and could even overtake the 208.
I'm on a PAYG Oyster (not catching too many trains in my day to day life it makes financial sense for me to stay on PAYG) and the freedom to be able to do this for no extra charge is extremely useful...
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Post by sid on Feb 7, 2018 5:42:59 GMT
There's a few other points I made on the video which were cut from the final edit. The other thing I find useful with the Hopper is it goes some way to eliminating waiting for buses. I was travelling from Oxford Circus to Bethnal Green Road yesterday, a journey which prior to last week I'd have done via 25 to Bank, 8 to Bethnal Green, and prior to the introduction of the original Hopper I'd have done by jumping on a 55 and then walking (my destination is between Bethnal Green Road and Hackney Road). What I ended up doing was 73 to Tottenham Court Road, 19 to Red Lion Street, 521 to St Paul's, 242 to Liverpool Street, 388 to Bethnal Green Road. The thought process changed from "this is the bus to the Bethnal Green area" to "I need to go east. That bus goes east. Let's get that one as far as it goes, then repeat". Would it have been easier to wait for the correct combination? Probably. Was it faster this way? Yes, marginally. Yet another point I'd made was that if you miss a bus by seconds, jumping on the bus behind can sometimes allow you to catch it up. For example, heading south on the A21 corridor from Lewisham, if you miss a 208 by seconds jumping on a 47 could allow you to catch it up - as the 208 will be picking up most of the southbound passengers, the 47 will mostly be doing drop-offs and could even overtake the 208. I'm on a PAYG Oyster (not catching too many trains in my day to day life it makes financial sense for me to stay on PAYG) and the freedom to be able to do this for no extra charge is extremely useful... A relative of mine who sometimes travels from Crystal Palace to Orpington on the circuitous 358 now prefers to get the 227 to Bromley and then a 208 which is far more direct now that it's the same price.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 7, 2018 21:27:26 GMT
A message from the Mock Mayor of London has just reached me through the ether, and I shall share:- it is addressed to all bus users in London. 'Ladies and Gentlemen, When I became Mayor I was unaware of the dire position the finances of TfL were in, because they had been partly shielded from the populace by the previous Mayor. Some of the problems on the bus front were caused by that Mayor's bulldozing through of his ego-led New Bus for London project, which has led to one thousand over-priced and under-engineered examples being foisted on to bus companies to run, but the cost for them being met directly by TfL, unlike all other bus types in Lodon. Add to that the tacit agreement between the previous Mayor and the then Chancellor of the Exchequer that all transport subsidies were to be systematically withdrawn over a period, contrary to practice in practically every other capital city in the world, and we are fast approaching a Perfect Storm. Accordingly, and with regret, I have had to review my previous pronouncements on bus fares for my first mayoral period, and my conclusions follow. Firstly, I have decided to abolish the Hopper Fare forthwith. In its place, I am putting a cap on daily bus fares of two journeys, as opposed to three currently, so that no matter how many journeys you require to get to work/study/shop etc and return home you'll only pay for two, so you don't have to fret about getting connections within the hour. Secondly, I am increasing single fares to £1.80, which still represents excellent value for money compared to bus fares almost anywhere else in Britain, even for short journeys. The bus passenger who currently pays for two journeys per day will therefore pay 60p extra per day, but those who pay for three (capped) will see a decrease of 70p per day. The single fare will be increased by 10p every January for the time being with the express purpose of funding the increase in buses that will be required on some routes, particularly in the suburbs, in order to maintain current frequencies ('headways') and, in a few instances, to improve them or create new connections and routes, in the light of worsening traffic congestion. If we do not do this, the bus network will become more unreliable and passengers will be lost. In particular, I am mindful that few passengers in some areas will benefit from the new Underground services, or other rail initiatives, so may I assure those passengers that I shall be prioritising their continuing bus needs...' Didn't get the rest of it due to excess crackling in the ether, but that was the general gist. Was I dreaming?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 12, 2018 21:54:55 GMT
I've now watched the video - I have to say that's completely barmy. The only point I picked up was the one about if your bus gets paused and another bus turns up you can leap off and get on it without penalty (if you're on PAYG and within the hour of your 1st touch in). That hadn't dawned on me but I don't use PAYG and my pass allows me to get on any route without restriction. And as for the Mayor pretending he drives the bus when he sits on the front seat upstairs - oh please! Bit harsh on the mayor, haven't we all done that?A bus being paused and people piling off en masse onto a bus behind really isn't satisfactory. LMAO, as a 5 year old, not a 40 something year old....
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 12, 2018 21:58:34 GMT
I have perfect perspective thanks very much and don't need to be instructed to find some. Watch the video, see what the Mayor says and the actions he does about pretending to steer the bus. As I said he was clearly trying to be "funny" - I just don't think it worked that's all. I thought it was mildly amusing but as always humour is subjective, we all have different tastes. Wow, that's a first, judging by the way you moan in many other posts I seriously didn't think you had a sense of humour at all.
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Post by sid on Feb 12, 2018 22:24:20 GMT
I thought it was mildly amusing but as always humour is subjective, we all have different tastes. Wow, that's a first, judging by the way you moan in many other posts I seriously didn't think you had a sense of humour at all. Nobody should feel obligated to laugh at something that they don't find funny. I think we can safely assume that the mayor made his comments in jest? If you didn't find it funny should we assume that you have no sense of humour at all?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 23, 2018 9:58:21 GMT
Wow, that's a first, judging by the way you moan in many other posts I seriously didn't think you had a sense of humour at all. Nobody should feel obligated to laugh at something that they don't find funny. I think we can safely assume that the mayor made his comments in jest? If you didn't find it funny should we assume that you have no sense of humour at all? ooooo weeee, slap me with a spoon, lol
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