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Post by Whitherminter on Jun 28, 2017 14:22:47 GMT
Well that confirms the 23 will be hacked back in two stages. It also confirms a N23 will still run to Aldwych even when the day 23 runs to Lancaster Gate. Nonplussed as to what the "further change to the 25" is for early Spring 2017??? Do they mean early Spring 2018? The 3 is delayed in reaching Russell Square until Dec 2018 which means they are keeping it away from the TCR gyratory removal works. The rest of the replies are rather blasé in their tone. Is Marie Antoinette now in charge of replies? "Let them change buses" being the new variant of "let them eat cake". [1] [1] and yes it is said that Marie A never uttered the famous phrase but let's just let it stand for the comic effect. Perhaps the further change to the 25 in spring would be the frequency increase to every 6 minutes west of Mile End. And the change to the 25/425 will happen sooner with the 25 keeping its current frequency (seems like something they'd do at this point). To me, the rest of the replies just screamed out "hoppa ticket!"
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Post by danorak on Jun 28, 2017 14:40:55 GMT
Well that confirms the 23 will be hacked back in two stages. It also confirms a N23 will still run to Aldwych even when the day 23 runs to Lancaster Gate. Nonplussed as to what the "further change to the 25" is for early Spring 2017??? Do they mean early Spring 2018? The 3 is delayed in reaching Russell Square until Dec 2018 which means they are keeping it away from the TCR gyratory removal works. The rest of the replies are rather blasé in their tone. Is Marie Antoinette now in charge of replies? "Let them change buses" being the new variant of "let them eat cake". [1] [1] and yes it is said that Marie A never uttered the famous phrase but let's just let it stand for the comic effect. The response to the comments about the Hopper in 3.4 go beyond blasé in my view to wilfully ignoring the point. 3.4 Comments relating to the Hopper bus fare • Customers won’t necessarily benefit from the Hopper fare when changing bus, as the journey into the centre of London is likely to take one hour or more • The Hopper fares should be given a chance to ‘bed in’ before proposing major changes to routes Our response The new fare enables passengers to take a £1.50 bus or tram journey and then change onto another bus or tram for free within one hour of touching in at the start of their journey. It is automatically given to anyone who uses pay as you go with a contactless bank payment or Oyster card. The ‘Hopper’ is of particular benefit to Londoners on lower incomes that rely on the bus service to get around.
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Post by Nathan on Jun 28, 2017 15:27:01 GMT
I don't regularly read the summary results for these consultations but I noticed the numbers don't add up. For example, for route 23 and 452 changes 14% support or strongly support the idea whilst 16% opposed or strongly opposed it. Is the other 70% for the other proposals? It's a bit confusing...
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 28, 2017 16:30:06 GMT
Interestingly it was considered by TFL to maintain some early and late journeys to and from Victoria but concluded it would lead to confusion. It also says a desire to retain the N73 to Victoria was considered but was felt the capacity would be excessive. My solution would be withdrawn night service on the 390 and introduce a N73 and extend the (N)10 to Archway again.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 28, 2017 17:21:47 GMT
I don't regularly read the summary results for these consultations but I noticed the numbers don't add up. For example, for route 23 and 452 changes 14% support or strongly support the idea whilst 16% opposed or strongly opposed it. Is the other 70% for the other proposals? It's a bit confusing... Each proposal will be scored in its own right. It is usually the case that the proportions for and against tend to be the "strongly support" or "strongly disagree" bands of the scoring. You may get the agree slightly or "don't knows" are also referenced. There are often high proportions for "don't know" or people who are equivocal. Some people may also not respond to every question. While I understand that TfL are never going to get the "perfect" consultation response as they can't force people to respond I do wonder what is going on when they have agree / oppose values that are very similar or where people oppose but they decide to go ahead anyway. Yes there are the policy issues, the need to save money etc etc but, as we've said many times before, it doesn't do the process any good.
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Post by redbus on Jun 28, 2017 22:21:49 GMT
I note that the 23 will be cut back in two stages, Aldwych in September and Lancaster Gate a few months later in early 2018 (well before Crossrail). I am puzzled why this is being done in two stages, particularly as they are only months apart. Whatever the rights and wrongs of cutting the 23 back, doing so twice only months apart will surely only sow confusion amongst the poor travelling public.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 28, 2017 22:41:44 GMT
I note that the 23 will be cut back in two stages, Aldwych in September and Lancaster Gate a few months later in early 2018 (well before Crossrail). I am puzzled why this is being done in two stages, particularly as they are only months apart. Whatever the rights and wrongs of cutting the 23 back, doing so twice only months apart will surely only sow confusion amongst the poor travelling public. I agree it is not ideal but I do wonder if TfL want to keep the 23 in place across the Christmas and New Year period "just in case". By the time the festive season comes round again Crossrail will just have opened from Paddington to Abbey Wood.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 29, 2017 7:02:58 GMT
If the Wembley extension dosent end up happening then the 23 will end up quite a short route from Westbourne Park to Lancaster Gate. I'm assuming the Wembley extension would be at the expense of a reduction of the 18 as there would be a large common section shared along the Harrow Road from Ladbroke Grove to past Craven Park allowing the possibly over bussed sections of the 18 to be reduced.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 29, 2017 8:29:47 GMT
If the Wembley extension dosent end up happening then the 23 will end up quite a short route from Westbourne Park to Lancaster Gate. I'm assuming the Wembley extension would be at the expense of a reduction of the 18 as there would be a large common section shared along the Harrow Road from Ladbroke Grove to past Craven Park allowing the possibly over bussed sections of the 18 to be reduced. I think this extension will happen as it can benefit the Harrow Road corridor. The 18 serves Euston and the Euston Road which are more than likely to be adversely effected by the HS2 works. If the 23 is extended over most part of the 18, the 23 could abstract some of the passengers and dump(take) them on the Elizabeth Line. So ultimately i think the 18 will eventually be reduced in frequency and this could probably fund/topup the 23's extension. Theyre tendered in the same month - November (not necessarily the same tranche, did not check that) this could be helpful for bidders at some point in the future
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Post by redbus on Jun 29, 2017 11:02:16 GMT
I note that the 23 will be cut back in two stages, Aldwych in September and Lancaster Gate a few months later in early 2018 (well before Crossrail). I am puzzled why this is being done in two stages, particularly as they are only months apart. Whatever the rights and wrongs of cutting the 23 back, doing so twice only months apart will surely only sow confusion amongst the poor travelling public. I agree it is not ideal but I do wonder if TfL want to keep the 23 in place across the Christmas and New Year period "just in case". By the time the festive season comes round again Crossrail will just have opened from Paddington to Abbey Wood. Quite possibly, in which case why not just leave the 23 going to Liverpool Street for a few more months. Perhaps re-routing the 6 was premature, as had that been left until early 2018, the 23 may not have been needed for the Christmas period.
The 23 had better get the Wembley extension, and I do think it will happen - eventually. If it doesn't the 23 won't be much of a route, and perhaps will not be able to justify keeping such a high frequency service or deckers. Having said that I am sure it will keep deckers regardless, because otherwise any single deckers would have to be electric, and the resultant costs would be even higher!
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Post by snoggle on Jul 11, 2017 18:12:08 GMT
Has anyone seen any signs of the coming weekend's changes being implemented? I only ask because there is scant information on the Londonbusroutes.net site and I'd have expected Mr M to have been on top of this. The 22/N22 changes are shown as October while the 3 and C2 related changes aren't mentioned. Has there been a postponement?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2017 19:11:21 GMT
Has anyone seen any signs of the coming weekend's changes being implemented? I only ask because there is scant information on the Londonbusroutes.net site and I'd have expected Mr M to have been on top of this. The 22/N22 changes are shown as October while the 3 and C2 related changes aren't mentioned. Has there been a postponement? Mr Munster has updated the site and it looks like the changes are still on track for this weekend. I've not heard or seen any publicity, maybe TfL are trying to beat their record from the EL3 where publicity was just put up hours before the change
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Post by redexpress on Jul 11, 2017 19:33:53 GMT
Has anyone seen any signs of the coming weekend's changes being implemented? I only ask because there is scant information on the Londonbusroutes.net site and I'd have expected Mr M to have been on top of this. The 22/N22 changes are shown as October while the 3 and C2 related changes aren't mentioned. Has there been a postponement? Mr Munster has updated the site and it looks like the changes are still on track for this weekend. I've not heard or seen any publicity, maybe TfL are trying to beat their record from the EL3 where publicity was just put up hours before the change They've been sending out emails to users of the bus routes in question. I got one earlier today about the 22 and C2 changes as I occasionally use both routes. Quite short notice - I guess they've only just finalised the detail of the changes. Courtesy of the latest londonbusroutes.net update I see that there are substantial frequency reductions on the 14 and 74 from the same date - not at all surprising to see reductions on these routes but again, it's very short notice. The cuts free up around 15 buses which, along with the forthcoming reduction on the 63, should cover the vehicle requirement for the 176. There are also a few allocation changes at Go-Ahead: AL lose their long-standing Sunday allocation on the 22 but gain the Sunday 164 from A, and the 485 goes to AF.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 11, 2017 20:38:20 GMT
Has anyone seen any signs of the coming weekend's changes being implemented? I only ask because there is scant information on the Londonbusroutes.net site and I'd have expected Mr M to have been on top of this. The 22/N22 changes are shown as October while the 3 and C2 related changes aren't mentioned. Has there been a postponement? Mr Munster has updated the site and it looks like the changes are still on track for this weekend. I've not heard or seen any publicity, maybe TfL are trying to beat their record from the EL3 where publicity was just put up hours before the change The 137 changes are due at the same time and i'm told they have yellow notices up on their bus stops. I'm not sure but presumably the 3 and 22/N22 may now have similar.
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Post by abc on Jul 12, 2017 7:23:25 GMT
Notices for 22/N22 and C2 have been up about a week now.
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