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Post by T.R. on Jun 9, 2017 5:03:37 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended).
Although that said, the Tories could form a majority coalition with the DUP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 6:10:58 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended) We have already changed the face of British politics even with the hung parliament.
Update: Jeremy Corbyn calls for Theresa May to resign after hung parliament confirmed 11 days before Brexit talks begin.
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Post by sid on Jun 9, 2017 6:39:56 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended) We have already changed the face of British politics even with the hung parliament.
Update: Jeremy Corbyn calls for Theresa May to resign after hung parliament confirmed 11 days before Brexit talks begin.
Surely Theresa May's position has become untenable and Jeremy Corbyn has got nothing to be smug about, neither of them can be trusted to run the country. |
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 9, 2017 6:43:13 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended) We have already changed the face of British politics even with the hung parliament.
Update: Jeremy Corbyn calls for Theresa May to resign after hung parliament confirmed 11 days before Brexit talks begin.
Corbyn as PM?  Can you still go to Australia for £10:00?  |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 9, 2017 9:53:50 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended). Although that said, the Tories could form a majority coalition with the DUP. As I have deliberately avoided the news and election coverage I've only just looked at the result with some trepidation. Well that worked well didn't it Mrs May? Loooooooooooooooooool! She had no reason to go to the country so she has reaped the disaster she deserves. The Tory Party won't forget this failure. To misquoute Yazz "the only way is down" for Mrs May now and she knows it. I recall the words of Professor Jon Curtice many, many weeks ago saying it was going to be extremely difficult to gain a lot of seats given what the last two elections have told us about the electorate's attitude to giving any party a large majority. Now we must see if she can form a government or whether she will be daft enough to put the country through *yet* another election. Some of the London constituency results are astounding in terms of increased majorities for Labour in previous marginals or narrowed majorities in some Tory holds. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 9, 2017 10:13:44 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended). Although that said, the Tories could form a majority coalition with the DUP. As I have deliberately avoided the news and election coverage I've only just looked at the result with some trepidation. Well that worked well didn't it Mrs May? Loooooooooooooooooool! She had no reason to go to the country so she has reaped the disaster she deserves. The Tory Party won't forget this failure. To misquoute Yazz "the only way is down" for Mrs May now and she knows it. I recall the words of Professor Jon Curtice many, many weeks ago saying it was going to be extremely difficult to gain a lot of seats given what the last two elections have told us about the electorate's attitude to giving any party a large majority. Now we must see if she can form a government or whether she will be daft enough to put the country through *yet* another election. Some of the London constituency results are astounding in terms of increased majorities for Labour in previous marginals or narrowed majorities in some Tory holds. Before I start this post, I'd like to mention I dislike the Tories & Theresa May in case I'm accused of bias: I think Theresa May made the right call for a snap election because not only did she need her own mandate rather than David Cameron's, no one in their right mind would pass up an opportunity to increase her majority which she would of done had she decided not to make huge errors in her campaign - that's where she lost it. Also, another reason why she was right was it allowed the big Brexit negotiations to be completed before the next general election rather than a situation where potentially the next election would of occurred with important negotiations still concluding. During the beginning & middle of the campaign, many Labour voters were jumping ship to Tory so I don't follow the whole thing about the public not wanting a large government. Even though I've no time for the Tories and can't stand Theresa May, we needed a strong government for the Brexit negotiations but instead we're left with a mess. She shouldn't be hung out for taking the risk but be hung out for effectively presiding over one of the worst Tory campaigns ever. One last point - absolutely fantastic to see the SNP begin to drop in numbers and all three union parties talking constituencies left, right & centre. I had to laugh when Sturgeon said they won the election - you may be still the biggest party but I wouldn't call that a win to the SNP. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 9, 2017 10:51:31 GMT
As I have deliberately avoided the news and election coverage I've only just looked at the result with some trepidation. Well that worked well didn't it Mrs May? Loooooooooooooooooool! She had no reason to go to the country so she has reaped the disaster she deserves. The Tory Party won't forget this failure. To misquoute Yazz "the only way is down" for Mrs May now and she knows it. I recall the words of Professor Jon Curtice many, many weeks ago saying it was going to be extremely difficult to gain a lot of seats given what the last two elections have told us about the electorate's attitude to giving any party a large majority. Now we must see if she can form a government or whether she will be daft enough to put the country through *yet* another election. Some of the London constituency results are astounding in terms of increased majorities for Labour in previous marginals or narrowed majorities in some Tory holds. Before I start this post, I'd like to mention I dislike the Tories & Theresa May in case I'm accused of bias: I think Theresa May made the right call for a snap election because not only did she need her own mandate rather than David Cameron's, no one in their right mind would pass up an opportunity to increase her majority which she would of done had she decided not to make huge errors in her campaign - that's where she lost it. Also, another reason why she was right was it allowed the big Brexit negotiations to be completed before the next general election rather than a situation where potentially the next election would of occurred with important negotiations still concluding. During the beginning & middle of the campaign, many Labour voters were jumping ship to Tory so I don't follow the whole thing about the public not wanting a large government. Even though I've no time for the Tories and can't stand Theresa May, we needed a strong government for the Brexit negotiations but instead we're left with a mess. She shouldn't be hung out for taking the risk but be hung out for effectively presiding over one of the worst Tory campaigns ever. One last point - absolutely fantastic to see the SNP begin to drop in numbers and all three union parties talking constituencies left, right & centre. I had to laugh when Sturgeon said they won the election - you may be still the biggest party but I wouldn't call that a win to the SNP. You won't be surprised that I disagree with a few things you've said. 1. I don't think Mrs May needed her own mandate. She had a working majority. She's lost it. I think this "new leader needs own mandate" thing is a bit of media / political nerd myth. Callaghan took over from Wilson in 76 and didn't need a new mandate. 2. I don't think anyone really knows, given the wide variation in the polls, where people's voting preferences *really* were during the campaign. They were all over the place. 3. I don't get this "strong government" thing either. Governments with big majorities make a lot of mistakes because they become sloppy and arrogant. Narrower margins tend to help *if* the government has got its political antennae tuned in. As Mrs May's performance showed over her manifesto she hasn't got decent antennae and doesn't work collaboratively. That was her error - it's how she works and it is disastrous for effective political judgement. People may have mocked the coalition with Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and Alexander as the key figures but every major policy choice / decision was tested and challenged through the prism of differing opinion. That is broadly why the Coalition lasted a full term. I'm not saying I liked the coalition's policies or decisions *but* the government was, at least, functional. Look how many times Mrs May has u-turned as PM and during the campaign. She's temperamentally unsuited to the job, IMO. Others will disagree. We will see what happens in terms of Mrs May trying to survive as PM and Tory Party leader. Yes we face Brexit negotiations and there are choices to be made there. Let's hope Mrs May realises what they are. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 9, 2017 14:42:44 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended). Although that said, the Tories could form a majority coalition with the DUP. As I have deliberately avoided the news and election coverage I've only just looked at the result with some trepidation. Well that worked well didn't it Mrs May? Loooooooooooooooooool! She had no reason to go to the country so she has reaped the disaster she deserves. The Tory Party won't forget this failure. To misquoute Yazz "the only way is down" for Mrs May now and she knows it. I recall the words of Professor Jon Curtice many, many weeks ago saying it was going to be extremely difficult to gain a lot of seats given what the last two elections have told us about the electorate's attitude to giving any party a large majority. Now we must see if she can form a government or whether she will be daft enough to put the country through *yet* another election. Some of the London constituency results are astounding in terms of increased majorities for Labour in previous marginals or narrowed majorities in some Tory holds. Well I was not at all surprised about the London result. Many of the people in London have one-tracked minds and would vote labour as though it was a football team. It is this kind of stupid backward thinking is why we have pathetic councils like Waltham Forest, Newham etc that does as they feel as there is no effective opposition and no matter how bad they do, would not be unseated. This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour. Conservatives biggest mistake was they hardly said anything of what they were going to do apart from talking about Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn was bad. People knows Brexit is going to happen so what was the point of constantly going on about it. Corbyn was weak to start with, even though he messed up on appearances and shows, although at least he turned up to them all. Plus he stuck to his polices even though many are unworkable in real terms. The so called Dementia tax has not helped the Conservatives either and things like this would align May with the likes of Thatcher. I was glad SNP lost a lot of seats, I really do not like Sturgeon's attitude at all. Not even Corbyn acts as pompous and self centred as she does.
I also found it ridiculous that Labour going on about how they would abolish tuition fees for university. But then even Liberal or Conservatives did not whip them on that Labour was the ones that bought it to the table in the 1997 General election manifesto.
I wouldn't vote Labour for nothing, I did with Blair first term and was slapped with uni fees. The only other person in Labour that I may have considered was David Milliband. Depending on Sadiq Kahn if he goes for it sometime and has sensible policies I could consider him, but Corbyn is simply a jack ass imo, there is nothing to be proud of loosing an election. As for May she is a fool to have even called an election so soon. Really just did not see the point of it at all.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 9, 2017 16:09:18 GMT
As I have deliberately avoided the news and election coverage I've only just looked at the result with some trepidation. Well that worked well didn't it Mrs May? Loooooooooooooooooool! She had no reason to go to the country so she has reaped the disaster she deserves. The Tory Party won't forget this failure. To misquoute Yazz "the only way is down" for Mrs May now and she knows it. I recall the words of Professor Jon Curtice many, many weeks ago saying it was going to be extremely difficult to gain a lot of seats given what the last two elections have told us about the electorate's attitude to giving any party a large majority. Now we must see if she can form a government or whether she will be daft enough to put the country through *yet* another election. Some of the London constituency results are astounding in terms of increased majorities for Labour in previous marginals or narrowed majorities in some Tory holds. Well I was not at all surprised about the London result. Many of the people in London have one-tracked minds and would vote labour as though it was a football team. It is this kind of stupid backward thinking is why we have pathetic councils like Waltham Forest, Newham etc that does as they feel as there is no effective opposition and no matter how bad they do, would not be unseated. This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour. Conservatives biggest mistake was they hardly said anything of what they were going to do apart from talking about Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn was bad. People knows Brexit is going to happen so what was the point of constantly going on about it. Corbyn was weak to start with, even though he messed up on appearances and shows, although at least he turned up to them all. Plus he stuck to his polices even though many are unworkable in real terms. The so called Dementia tax has not helped the Conservatives either and things like this would align May with the likes of Thatcher. I was glad SNP lost a lot of seats, I really do not like Sturgeon's attitude at all. Not even Corbyn acts as pompous and self centred as she does.
I also found it ridiculous that Labour going on about how they would abolish tuition fees for university. But then even Liberal or Conservatives did not whip them on that Labour was the ones that bought it to the table in the 1997 General election manifesto.
I wouldn't vote Labour for nothing, I did with Blair first term and was slapped with uni fees. The only other person in Labour that I may have considered was David Milliband. Depending on Sadiq Kahn if he goes for it sometime and has sensible policies I could consider him, but Corbyn is simply a jack ass imo, there is nothing to be proud of loosing an election. As for May she is a fool to have even called an election so soon. Really just did not see the point of it at all.
In the spirit of exam season: How does the poster capitalomnibus portray migrants in the passage? Do you agree? [40 marks]capitalomnibus seems to portray migrants as a group people incapable of understanding democracy. We can see this from this quote: 'This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour.' This seems to indicate that migrants have only grasped the word 'labour' and would vote for them as they cannot quite comprehend Conservatives because it has too many letters. Furthermore, Liberal Democrats is two whole words. I do not agree with this as I think migrants have like all other people voted for who they thought would best in their interests. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 9, 2017 16:15:21 GMT
As for May she is a fool to have even called an election so soon. Really just did not see the point of it at all. This is the bit I agree with. She let her ego and misplaced self confidence get the better of her. I hated this entire election because it was unnecessary. If she is stupid enough to go to the country voluntarily again then my hate will be off the scale. I accept that circumstances may force her hand in the future but that's what happens when you take stupid decisions - you end up in a mess of your own making. I really get the impression that Mrs May has never *had* to campaign strongly for anything in her life. She's had a comfortable upbringing. She's been exposed to people just like her for a lot of her political career. She didn't campaign over Brexit. She's never featured strongly as an "attacking force" in past election campaigns. She didn't really have to fight to win the Tory leadership. It sort of fell into her lap as the other candidates knifed each other or imploded under scrutiny. I fully accept she may not be "comfortable" at big public rallies etc - that's fine. However as a party leader you are expected to work past your discomfort and get out there. Cameron did it. Thatcher did it. Heck even John Major was pretty decent at jumping on his orange box and giving as good as he got. As I said repeatedly on Twitter she's just "useless, hopeless and visionless". She's just utterly dire and she's clearly demonstrated it to the country over the last 7 weeks plus today's act of desperation of "getting into bed" with the DUP. Just ugh! I understand people's discomfort with Mr Coybyn. However, there does seem to have been a gross miscalculation in the Tory campaign and media that they could somehow "hate" him out of the way. They seem not to have appreciated he's had this sort of opprobrium all his political life and that he is a campaign based politician at heart. That means the usual vicious slander just doesn't work. At least he got off his backside and campaigned and met people and engaged with them. You may hate what he stands for but at least he made some bl**dy effort unlike May. |
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Post by Red Dragon on Jun 9, 2017 16:20:55 GMT
Well I was not at all surprised about the London result. Many of the people in London have one-tracked minds and would vote labour as though it was a football team. It is this kind of stupid backward thinking is why we have pathetic councils like Waltham Forest, Newham etc that does as they feel as there is no effective opposition and no matter how bad they do, would not be unseated. This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour. Conservatives biggest mistake was they hardly said anything of what they were going to do apart from talking about Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn was bad. People knows Brexit is going to happen so what was the point of constantly going on about it. Corbyn was weak to start with, even though he messed up on appearances and shows, although at least he turned up to them all. Plus he stuck to his polices even though many are unworkable in real terms. The so called Dementia tax has not helped the Conservatives either and things like this would align May with the likes of Thatcher. I was glad SNP lost a lot of seats, I really do not like Sturgeon's attitude at all. Not even Corbyn acts as pompous and self centred as she does.
I also found it ridiculous that Labour going on about how they would abolish tuition fees for university. But then even Liberal or Conservatives did not whip them on that Labour was the ones that bought it to the table in the 1997 General election manifesto.
I wouldn't vote Labour for nothing, I did with Blair first term and was slapped with uni fees. The only other person in Labour that I may have considered was David Milliband. Depending on Sadiq Kahn if he goes for it sometime and has sensible policies I could consider him, but Corbyn is simply a jack ass imo, there is nothing to be proud of loosing an election. As for May she is a fool to have even called an election so soon. Really just did not see the point of it at all.
In the spirit of exam season: How does the poster capitalomnibus portray migrants in the passage? Do you agree? [40 marks]capitalomnibus seems to portray migrants as a group people incapable of understanding democracy. We can see this from this quote: 'This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour.' This seems to indicate that migrants have only grasped the word 'labour' and would vote for them as they cannot quite comprehend Conservatives because it has too many letters. Furthermore, Liberal Democrats is two whole words. I do not agree with this as I think migrants have like all other people voted for who they thought would best in their interests. presents Labour voters as obsessive football-team supporters who have no grasp of the realities of politics. This attempt to present Labour voters as individuals who have no ability to make rational political decisions. For example, the poster says "It is this kind of stupid backward thinking..." implying that those who vote for Labour are mentally retarded [1] and causing the country issues by not voting for the Conservative Party. Whilst he makes valid points about the competence of Corbyn and the issues with uncontested parties, the aggressive manner in which he presents his points alienates the reader, who may well be one of those individuals he criticises. mondraker275 you need much more AO3... [1] Officially a medical term as given by my former Biology teacher who has a doctorate in genetics. |
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Post by Busab2 on Jun 9, 2017 20:09:56 GMT
For those waiting for consultations etc. Election purdah continues until an effective Government is formed, so based on results (currently about 40 seats still to declare), looks like it may continue for few days. How does purdah effect TFL consultations and does it end when all seats have been decided? |
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Post by sid on Jun 9, 2017 20:12:53 GMT
As for May she is a fool to have even called an election so soon. Really just did not see the point of it at all. This is the bit I agree with. She let her ego and misplaced self confidence get the better of her. I hated this entire election because it was unnecessary. If she is stupid enough to go to the country voluntarily again then my hate will be off the scale. I accept that circumstances may force her hand in the future but that's what happens when you take stupid decisions - you end up in a mess of your own making. I really get the impression that Mrs May has never *had* to campaign strongly for anything in her life. She's had a comfortable upbringing. She's been exposed to people just like her for a lot of her political career. She didn't campaign over Brexit. She's never featured strongly as an "attacking force" in past election campaigns. She didn't really have to fight to win the Tory leadership. It sort of fell into her lap as the other candidates knifed each other or imploded under scrutiny. I fully accept she may not be "comfortable" at big public rallies etc - that's fine. However as a party leader you are expected to work past your discomfort and get out there. Cameron did it. Thatcher did it. Heck even John Major was pretty decent at jumping on his orange box and giving as good as he got. As I said repeatedly on Twitter she's just "useless, hopeless and visionless". She's just utterly dire and she's clearly demonstrated it to the country over the last 7 weeks plus today's act of desperation of "getting into bed" with the DUP. Just ugh! I understand people's discomfort with Mr Coybyn. However, there does seem to have been a gross miscalculation in the Tory campaign and media that they could somehow "hate" him out of the way. They seem not to have appreciated he's had this sort of opprobrium all his political life and that he is a campaign based politician at heart. That means the usual vicious slander just doesn't work. At least he got off his backside and campaigned and met people and engaged with them. You may hate what he stands for but at least he made some bl**dy effort unlike May. I really don't understand why you're getting so worked up about it all, talk of your hate going off the scale seems somewhat disproportionate to me. Theresa May was perfectly entitled to go to the country, clearly she felt that she could increase her majority but for one reason and another it all went wrong and she's left with egg on her face. Labour have made gains despite Jeremy Corbyn and not because of him and quite frankly I don't him or Theresa May are fit to run a bath let alone run the country. I suspect that there will be another election within a year and there is every chance good old Boris will be in number 10............with the prospect of LT's allover the country!! |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 9, 2017 20:34:58 GMT
This is the bit I agree with. She let her ego and misplaced self confidence get the better of her. I hated this entire election because it was unnecessary. If she is stupid enough to go to the country voluntarily again then my hate will be off the scale. I accept that circumstances may force her hand in the future but that's what happens when you take stupid decisions - you end up in a mess of your own making. I really get the impression that Mrs May has never *had* to campaign strongly for anything in her life. She's had a comfortable upbringing. She's been exposed to people just like her for a lot of her political career. She didn't campaign over Brexit. She's never featured strongly as an "attacking force" in past election campaigns. She didn't really have to fight to win the Tory leadership. It sort of fell into her lap as the other candidates knifed each other or imploded under scrutiny. I fully accept she may not be "comfortable" at big public rallies etc - that's fine. However as a party leader you are expected to work past your discomfort and get out there. Cameron did it. Thatcher did it. Heck even John Major was pretty decent at jumping on his orange box and giving as good as he got. As I said repeatedly on Twitter she's just "useless, hopeless and visionless". She's just utterly dire and she's clearly demonstrated it to the country over the last 7 weeks plus today's act of desperation of "getting into bed" with the DUP. Just ugh! I understand people's discomfort with Mr Coybyn. However, there does seem to have been a gross miscalculation in the Tory campaign and media that they could somehow "hate" him out of the way. They seem not to have appreciated he's had this sort of opprobrium all his political life and that he is a campaign based politician at heart. That means the usual vicious slander just doesn't work. At least he got off his backside and campaigned and met people and engaged with them. You may hate what he stands for but at least he made some bl**dy effort unlike May. Theresa May was perfectly entitled to go to the country, clearly she felt that she could increase her majority but for one reason and another it all went wrong and she's left with egg on her face. Labour have made gains despite Jeremy Corbyn and not because of him and quite frankly I don't him or Theresa May are fit to run a bath let alone run the country. I entirely agree with the above section of your post - as I said before, no one in their right mind would pass up the opportunity to increase their majority if the polls were in her favour like they were but more importantly, possess her own mandate rather than clinging onto Cameron's one. Labour only did well because the Tory campaign was atrocious rather than because of Jeremy Corbyn and as you say, both were poor choices. Had Theresa May ran a decent campaign, we would almost certainly be talking about her having a sizeable majority to take into Brexit talks and in a position of strength. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 9, 2017 20:42:16 GMT
I really don't understand why you're getting so worked up about it all, talk of your hate going off the scale seems somewhat disproportionate to me. Theresa May was perfectly entitled to go to the country, clearly she felt that she could increase her majority but for one reason and another it all went wrong and she's left with egg on her face. Labour have made gains despite Jeremy Corbyn and not because of him and quite frankly I don't him or Theresa May are fit to run a bath let alone run the country. I suspect that there will be another election within a year and there is every chance good old Boris will be in number 10............with the prospect of LT's allover the country!! Some of us care about our country and its politics. Pardon me for having a soul and a brain. I'm as entitled to have an opinion and express it as Mrs May was to go to the country. I never questioned her "entitlement". I simply said she was wrong - that's a different thing altogether. As for your last sentence - well that's just you trying to provoke me and wind me up. I thought that was "off limits" on this forum? |
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