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Post by snowman on Jun 9, 2017 21:37:45 GMT
For those waiting for consultations etc. Election purdah continues until an effective Government is formed, so based on results (currently about 40 seats still to declare), looks like it may continue for few days. How does purdah effect TFL consultations and does it end when all seats have been decided? TfL is a public body heavily funded by various taxes so falls into scope of purdah. Purdah rules state new consultations should not be issued as might be consistent with a policy of a candidate, but not with another candidate. So could conflict with neutrality. Ends when a party confirm they are forming a Government (So in this case effectively when Teresa May stated she would be working with DUP and operating a minority government). In 2010 was when coalition was agreed 5 days after voting. Could be before all seats counted if a party has already got 326 (over 50%) of seats. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 10, 2017 8:17:05 GMT
It looks like we May have a hung parliament (pun intended). Although that said, the Tories could form a majority coalition with the DUP. Local furniture shops  are putting the boot in already   |
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Post by 725DYE on Jun 10, 2017 10:43:08 GMT
Well all I can say is that that was a strong and stable failure for Mrs May! Nevertheless this has to have been one of the most unique elections in a while. Even though I do not like him, you have to respect Corbyn for fighting back against the tabloid media, with the prospects of the Labour Party declining to 100 seats only a few weeks ago
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 10, 2017 10:53:51 GMT
Well all I can say is that that was a strong and stable failure for Mrs May! Nevertheless this has to have been one of the most unique elections in a while. Even though I do not like him, you have to respect Corbyn for fighting back against the tabloid media, with the prospects of the Labour Party declining to 100 seats only a few weeks ago Corbyn really did the Labour party good, it would have been nicer to see them gain just a few more seats so that they stood a chance of a coalition government rather than these Conservatives in charge. |
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Post by sid on Jun 10, 2017 14:35:50 GMT
I really don't understand why you're getting so worked up about it all, talk of your hate going off the scale seems somewhat disproportionate to me. Theresa May was perfectly entitled to go to the country, clearly she felt that she could increase her majority but for one reason and another it all went wrong and she's left with egg on her face. Labour have made gains despite Jeremy Corbyn and not because of him and quite frankly I don't him or Theresa May are fit to run a bath let alone run the country. I suspect that there will be another election within a year and there is every chance good old Boris will be in number 10............with the prospect of LT's allover the country!! Some of us care about our country and its politics. Pardon me for having a soul and a brain. I'm as entitled to have an opinion and express it as Mrs May was to go to the country. I never questioned her "entitlement". I simply said she was wrong - that's a different thing altogether. As for your last sentence - well that's just you trying to provoke me and wind me up. I thought that was "off limits" on this forum? Of course you are entitled to your opinion I just struggle to understand your hatred towards Mrs May for calling the election. My comment about LT's appearing all over the country if Boris gets into office was obviously made in jest, I struggle to see how anybody could seriously be offended! |
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Post by TNL33036 on Jun 10, 2017 14:38:06 GMT
She should resign, her arrogance and irresponsibility has lead her not only to weaken her position, but to weaken the Tory party as a whole, if I was a Tory MP, I would be demanding for her resignation.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand has done a very good job in significantly strengthening the Labour Party in which he and the Labour Party have really got out there to do their best to try their best to win the hearts and minds of the general public, this is something I definitely commend him for doing so.
I know people may certainly disagree with me but I'm simply stating what I personally make of the general result.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2017 15:08:13 GMT
How does purdah effect TFL consultations and does it end when all seats have been decided? TfL is a public body heavily funded by various taxes so falls into scope of purdah. Purdah rules state new consultations should not be issued as might be consistent with a policy of a candidate, but not with another candidate. So could conflict with neutrality. Ends when a party confirm they are forming a Government (So in this case effectively when Teresa May stated she would be working with DUP and operating a minority government). In 2010 was when coalition was agreed 5 days after voting. Could be before all seats counted if a party has already got 326 (over 50%) of seats. Not this purdah monster talk again ... |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2017 15:13:55 GMT
Well I was not at all surprised about the London result. Many of the people in London have one-tracked minds and would vote labour as though it was a football team. It is this kind of stupid backward thinking is why we have pathetic councils like Waltham Forest, Newham etc that does as they feel as there is no effective opposition and no matter how bad they do, would not be unseated. This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour. Conservatives biggest mistake was they hardly said anything of what they were going to do apart from talking about Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn was bad. People knows Brexit is going to happen so what was the point of constantly going on about it. Corbyn was weak to start with, even though he messed up on appearances and shows, although at least he turned up to them all. Plus he stuck to his polices even though many are unworkable in real terms. The so called Dementia tax has not helped the Conservatives either and things like this would align May with the likes of Thatcher. I was glad SNP lost a lot of seats, I really do not like Sturgeon's attitude at all. Not even Corbyn acts as pompous and self centred as she does.
I also found it ridiculous that Labour going on about how they would abolish tuition fees for university. But then even Liberal or Conservatives did not whip them on that Labour was the ones that bought it to the table in the 1997 General election manifesto.
I wouldn't vote Labour for nothing, I did with Blair first term and was slapped with uni fees. The only other person in Labour that I may have considered was David Milliband. Depending on Sadiq Kahn if he goes for it sometime and has sensible policies I could consider him, but Corbyn is simply a jack ass imo, there is nothing to be proud of loosing an election. As for May she is a fool to have even called an election so soon. Really just did not see the point of it at all.
In the spirit of exam season: How does the poster capitalomnibus portray migrants in the passage? Do you agree? [40 marks]capitalomnibus seems to portray migrants as a group people incapable of understanding democracy. We can see this from this quote: 'This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour.' This seems to indicate that migrants have only grasped the word 'labour' and would vote for them as they cannot quite comprehend Conservatives because it has too many letters. Furthermore, Liberal Democrats is two whole words. I do not agree with this as I think migrants have like all other people voted for who they thought would best in their interests. Sorry, but you reply just completely goes against anything that I have said. I have NOT said migrants do not understand democracy. In fact they are more likely to be the voting type compared with people in the UK that do not bother to go and vote. People take voting serious in other countries with higher turnouts than the UK, As I have said, in other words they are sold a FALSE picture by labour, that they are the party of migrants, immigration, working class, the poor etc. when in effect they are NOT. Now how can the amount of letters in a word determine how people would vote. So going by your statement if they saw the words tory, they are likely to vote for them.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2017 15:17:21 GMT
As for May she is a fool to have even called an election so soon. Really just did not see the point of it at all. This is the bit I agree with. She let her ego and misplaced self confidence get the better of her. I hated this entire election because it was unnecessary. If she is stupid enough to go to the country voluntarily again then my hate will be off the scale. I accept that circumstances may force her hand in the future but that's what happens when you take stupid decisions - you end up in a mess of your own making. I really get the impression that Mrs May has never *had* to campaign strongly for anything in her life. She's had a comfortable upbringing. She's been exposed to people just like her for a lot of her political career. She didn't campaign over Brexit. She's never featured strongly as an "attacking force" in past election campaigns. She didn't really have to fight to win the Tory leadership. It sort of fell into her lap as the other candidates knifed each other or imploded under scrutiny. I fully accept she may not be "comfortable" at big public rallies etc - that's fine. However as a party leader you are expected to work past your discomfort and get out there. Cameron did it. Thatcher did it. Heck even John Major was pretty decent at jumping on his orange box and giving as good as he got. As I said repeatedly on Twitter she's just "useless, hopeless and visionless". She's just utterly dire and she's clearly demonstrated it to the country over the last 7 weeks plus today's act of desperation of "getting into bed" with the DUP. Just ugh! I understand people's discomfort with Mr Coybyn. However, there does seem to have been a gross miscalculation in the Tory campaign and media that they could somehow "hate" him out of the way. They seem not to have appreciated he's had this sort of opprobrium all his political life and that he is a campaign based politician at heart. That means the usual vicious slander just doesn't work. At least he got off his backside and campaigned and met people and engaged with them. You may hate what he stands for but at least he made some bl**dy effort unlike May. She just seems to lack charisma. As nutty as Boris Johnson could be at times, it would have been better if he had been PM. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2017 15:21:00 GMT
In the spirit of exam season: How does the poster capitalomnibus portray migrants in the passage? Do you agree? [40 marks]capitalomnibus seems to portray migrants as a group people incapable of understanding democracy. We can see this from this quote: 'This sadly also has to do with a lot of migrants in London, who would align themselves with Labour and wouldn't vote Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. Even if Labour did policies that would not suit them, they would vote labour.' This seems to indicate that migrants have only grasped the word 'labour' and would vote for them as they cannot quite comprehend Conservatives because it has too many letters. Furthermore, Liberal Democrats is two whole words. I do not agree with this as I think migrants have like all other people voted for who they thought would best in their interests. presents Labour voters as obsessive football-team supporters who have no grasp of the realities of politics. This attempt to present Labour voters as individuals who have no ability to make rational political decisions. For example, the poster says "It is this kind of stupid backward thinking..." implying that those who vote for Labour are mentally retarded [1] and causing the country issues by not voting for the Conservative Party. Whilst he makes valid points about the competence of Corbyn and the issues with uncontested parties, the aggressive manner in which he presents his points alienates the reader, who may well be one of those individuals he criticises. mondraker275 you need much more AO3... [1] Officially a medical term as given by my former Biology teacher who has a doctorate in genetics. When did I say that labour voters were mentally retarded? Never implied that at all. Neither did I mention that they are football team supporters. You clearly love to doctor peoples words and make a big change. Maybe you would be good at working on a fake news website.
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Post by sid on Jun 10, 2017 15:39:32 GMT
She should resign, her arrogance and irresponsibility has lead her not only to weaken her position, but to weaken the Tory party as a whole, if I was a Tory MP, I would be demanding for her resignation. Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand has done a very good job in significantly strengthening the Labour Party in which he and the Labour Party have really got out there to do their best to try their best to win the hearts and minds of the general public, this is something I definitely commend him for doing so. I know people may certainly disagree with me but I'm simply stating what I personally make of the general result. I agree that Mrs May should resign but I don't agree about Mr Corbyn doing a good job, I think Labour have done reasonably well in this election in spite of him and not because of him, if they had a half decent leader they would be in office now. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 10, 2017 18:52:30 GMT
This is the bit I agree with. She let her ego and misplaced self confidence get the better of her. I hated this entire election because it was unnecessary. If she is stupid enough to go to the country voluntarily again then my hate will be off the scale. I accept that circumstances may force her hand in the future but that's what happens when you take stupid decisions - you end up in a mess of your own making. I really get the impression that Mrs May has never *had* to campaign strongly for anything in her life. She's had a comfortable upbringing. She's been exposed to people just like her for a lot of her political career. She didn't campaign over Brexit. She's never featured strongly as an "attacking force" in past election campaigns. She didn't really have to fight to win the Tory leadership. It sort of fell into her lap as the other candidates knifed each other or imploded under scrutiny. I fully accept she may not be "comfortable" at big public rallies etc - that's fine. However as a party leader you are expected to work past your discomfort and get out there. Cameron did it. Thatcher did it. Heck even John Major was pretty decent at jumping on his orange box and giving as good as he got. As I said repeatedly on Twitter she's just "useless, hopeless and visionless". She's just utterly dire and she's clearly demonstrated it to the country over the last 7 weeks plus today's act of desperation of "getting into bed" with the DUP. Just ugh! I understand people's discomfort with Mr Coybyn. However, there does seem to have been a gross miscalculation in the Tory campaign and media that they could somehow "hate" him out of the way. They seem not to have appreciated he's had this sort of opprobrium all his political life and that he is a campaign based politician at heart. That means the usual vicious slander just doesn't work. At least he got off his backside and campaigned and met people and engaged with them. You may hate what he stands for but at least he made some bl**dy effort unlike May. She just seems to lack charisma. As nutty as Boris Johnson could be at times, it would have been better if he had been PM. She has all the charisma of those new buses on the 13.  Still, she's worried about Boris...  and has taken to Mumsnet before her next COBRA meeting  |
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Post by Red Dragon on Jun 10, 2017 19:16:26 GMT
How does the poster capitalomnibus portray Labour voters in the passage? Do you agree? [45 marks]capitalomnibus presents Labour voters as obsessive football-team supporters who have no grasp of the realities of politics. This attempt to present Labour voters as individuals who have no ability to make rational political decisions. For example, the poster says "It is this kind of stupid backward thinking..." implying that those who vote for Labour are mentally retarded [1] and causing the country issues by not voting for the Conservative Party. Whilst he makes valid points about the competence of Corbyn and the issues with uncontested parties, the aggressive manner in which he presents his points alienates the reader, who may well be one of those individuals he criticises. mondraker275 you need much more AO3... [1] Officially a medical term as given by my former Biology teacher who has a doctorate in genetics. When did I say that labour voters were mentally retarded? Never implied that at all. Neither did I mention that they are football team supporters. You clearly love to doctor peoples words and make a big change. Maybe you would be good at working on a fake news website.
When you said "backwards", one implication is backwards mentally. Secondly, the football team reference was one you made yourself, when comparing peoples voting habits to supporting a football team. There does not appear to be any doctoring words. Merely valid inferences. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 10, 2017 19:39:51 GMT
Let's vote for Lord Buckethead in the next election 😃😃😃
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2017 20:57:14 GMT
Well all I can say is that that was a strong and stable failure for Mrs May! Nevertheless this has to have been one of the most unique elections in a while. Even though I do not like him, you have to respect Corbyn for fighting back against the tabloid media, with the prospects of the Labour Party declining to 100 seats only a few weeks ago Corbyn really did the Labour party good, it would have been nicer to see them gain just a few more seats so that they stood a chance of a coalition government rather than these Conservatives in charge. Oh God no, it's bad enough he done well to avoid numerous leadership challengers without actually becoming PM  |
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Still, she's worried about Boris...
