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Post by M1104 on Apr 18, 2017 10:30:10 GMT
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Post by Red Dragon on Apr 18, 2017 10:35:35 GMT
May we live in interesting times... So the Labour party is finished, and we will be stuck with the Conservatives for a number of years yet...  Personally, I think there are many ways we could have increased stability in the past, but... *gives up* |
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 18, 2017 10:45:50 GMT
I know it seems like a foregone conclusion- but recent vote results have surely told us to expect the unexpected...
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Post by snoggle on Apr 18, 2017 11:49:37 GMT
Ugh! 8 weeks of diabolical divisive political campaigning which will seek to vilify half the electorate over the referendum result. Just what we all need - NOT. May is deluded, useless and plain nasty but the opposition is in complete disarray and she knows it. Ugh!  Oh and the other thing a general election does is impose purdah so don't expect much to appear from TfL in terms of consultation results nor TfL Board / Panel meetings or from City Hall. This will undoubtedly throw a whole pile of key TfL meetings out of kilter and possibly delay the publication of the TfL Annual Report, annual bus use statistics and the promised "New Bus Network" strategy paper. By the time the dust settles we will not be far off August when nowt happens. So either expect a sudden surge of consultation results in the next few days or prepare to wait weeks and weeks. It will be interesting to see if TfL goes ahead with changes even if it cannot publish the consultation results. |
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Post by snowman on Apr 18, 2017 12:11:29 GMT
This could get messy, especially if some parties start a Brexit leads to (insert long list) of problems campaign.
Probably see more fighting talk from Nicola Sturgeon than Jeremy Corbyn, so this could see some odd results.
Labour is weak, UKIP nearly dead, Lib Dems could become anti Brexit party.
If conservatives lose majority who would they go into coalition with?
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 18, 2017 12:14:16 GMT
Ugh! 8 weeks of diabolical divisive political campaigning which will seek to vilify half the electorate over the referendum result. Just what we all need - NOT. May is deluded, useless and plain nasty but the opposition is in complete disarray and she knows it. Ugh! Oh and the other thing a general election does is impose purdah so don't expect much to appear from TfL in terms of consultation results nor TfL Board / Panel meetings or from City Hall. This will undoubtedly throw a whole pile of key TfL meetings out of kilter and possibly delay the publication of the TfL Annual Report, annual bus use statistics and the promised "New Bus Network" strategy paper. By the time the dust settles we will not be far off August when nowt happens. So either expect a sudden surge of consultation results in the next few days or prepare to wait weeks and weeks. It will be interesting to see if TfL goes ahead with changes even if it cannot publish the consultation results. Purdah begins on Saturday. TfL will have to be quick! |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 18, 2017 13:29:53 GMT
I know it seems like a foregone conclusion- but recent vote results have surely told us to expect the unexpected... I'm not so sure - this sadly looks done and dusted. Labour made the biggest mistake ever by making Jeremy Corbyn their leader and Labour are sadly effectively dead. Doubts remain of the ability to be trusted for the Lib Dems whilst UKIP prefer fighting each other than fighting to be elected. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 18, 2017 18:05:48 GMT
Cameron had a referendum on the EU and then campaigned to remain, and lost. Could have guaranteed remain by not having referendum.
May decides for an election that said she will not have and now she will campaign to become something she already is.
What the hell's going on? Alot of mockery towards the USA and the Trump, but we are a shambles.
Can we vote to end politics?
I am predicting a record low turnout because we just dont care anymore.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 18, 2017 19:47:50 GMT
Cameron had a referendum on the EU and then campaigned to remain, and lost. Could have guaranteed remain by not having referendum. May decides for an election that said she will not have and now she will campaign to become something she already is. What the hell's going on? Alot of mockery towards the USA and the Trump, but we are a shambles. Can we vote to end politics? I am predicting a record low turnout because we just dont care anymore. I completely understand the cynicism, heck I just feel like getting drunk for the next 7 weeks. The problem is that Mrs May is trying to overly manage the process and keep it focused on what she has clearly prepared for. If she's not able to do that then she could be in trouble. However we will see the vilest, nastiest and most fractious campaign ever with voters, politicians, institutions and no doubt other nationalities all considered "fair game" in Mr Crosby's viler than vile campaign. We might as well go and lock ourselves away in caves for the next 7 weeks. I've refused to watch any national news today as I don't want to see that woman's face or hear her whining speech. The alternative to politics is dictatorship. We have not become Turkey yet but we might head that way if we are not very careful with this particular election. This is all about trying to ensure the Tory Party is in power for the next 10-20 years if they can get a big enough majority, inflict severe damage on opposition parties and then implement the Boundary Commission changes to lock in a further Tory Party advantage. Of course some will be delighted at this prospect but bear in mind if it happens there will be massive, fundamental and possibly irreversible changes to the structure of UK society and public services as a result (not that Mrs May will be talking about much of this). |
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Post by planesandtrains on Apr 19, 2017 7:49:54 GMT
Not only has this undemocratic government schedule it exactly a month before I turn 18, they have basically given TFL another excuse not to award tenders. Why does this May, who orginally supported Remain, now pleasing the british people with brexit have to ask for more??? I tend to have ideas slightly to the right but why do the Tories have to act all greedy to try and increase their majority? They will be surprised in the London area, a lot of Lib Dems taking it back. In elections these days, left or right, expect the unexpected.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 19, 2017 10:02:47 GMT
Not only has this undemocratic government schedule it exactly a month before I turn 18, they have basically given TFL another excuse not to award tenders. Why does this May, who orginally supported Remain, now pleasing the british people with brexit have to ask for more??? I tend to have ideas slightly to the right but why do the Tories have to act all greedy to try and increase their majority? They will be surprised in the London area, a lot of Lib Dems taking it back. In elections these days, left or right, expect the unexpected. Welcome to politics. Whoever is in power will do what they can, within reason, to consolidate it and retain it. It's the nature of things regardless of party and it's a rare politician who doesn't display these traits. The problem for any leader who reaches the top of government through a resignation or a death is that a part of the electorate sees them as "illegitimate" - "I didn't vote for that leader" "they have no mandate" etc etc. This is a rather daft concept given we don't vote for party leaders or a president in the UK. You vote for a party's local representative as your MP. Unfortunately the media conveniently forgets this rather crucial issue and all the emphasis is on "the leader" or "Prime Minister". It's part of the rather horrible Americanisation of our politics that started back in the late 70s. It's also worth bearing in mind that once you're at the top there is a long queue of people with knives waiting to stab you in the back [1] (or the front [2]) because they want the top job. Mrs May may be in for a fright if she doesn't win convincingly. Even if she does she will still face considerable risks of being deposed by someone else in the Tory Party if she doesn't secure an effective Brexit deal or makes some other error. I don't get any sense that she has a strong "hinterland" in the Tory Party - there isn't an obvious core of support amongst MPs like there is for certain other Tory politicians. That's a risk for her. We will see other versions of this dilemma in the other parties - all the Leaders have their problems and their enemies and supporters. Any party leader that performs badly in the upcoming campaign will face tremendous pressure to quit even someone like Mrs Sturgeon of the SNP. She's got her fair share of issues that could prove fatal. It's such a shame we don't have Spitting Image anymore. We really need a nasty, satirical telly programme to rip the P*ss out of politicians and celebrities at the moment. It would make life more tolerable. Spitting Image was brilliant at doing this in the 1980s when people really needed some relief from the nonsense being inflicted on them. [1] Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, all the Tory cabinet against Mrs Thatcher in 1990 [2] Michael Gove doing the dirty on Boris Johnson |
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Post by John tuthill on Apr 19, 2017 10:54:58 GMT
Ladies & Gentlemen, Is there any chance that our beloved Forum can be 'election/brexit free' for the next 8 weeks? We'll no doubt be bomb barded on TV and the press, with the usual culprits rolled out. The Welsh windbag and Mandelson doing everything to protect their EU pensions. just a plea from little 'ol me. Thank you.  |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 19, 2017 15:32:32 GMT
Not only has this undemocratic government schedule it exactly a month before I turn 18, they have basically given TFL another excuse not to award tenders. Why does this May, who orginally supported Remain, now pleasing the british people with brexit have to ask for more??? I tend to have ideas slightly to the right but why do the Tories have to act all greedy to try and increase their majority? They will be surprised in the London area, a lot of Lib Dems taking it back. In elections these days, left or right, expect the unexpected. I think it is a bit far calling the government undemocratic, the whole reason we are leaving the EU is because of "democracy," also just tough luck that you can't vote  it was me last time. Personally I think that a general election might actually be a good thing, because even though leaving the EU is in my eyes a mistake, May will need to negotiate an exit deal and it's far better to have a strong government involved in this deal rather than a weak one. I also think that in London most of the seats will remain Labour, the Lib Dems have a slight chance of acting as an "anti Brexit" party but I don't see it working in just the few weeks that all the parties have to get their act together. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 19, 2017 17:10:17 GMT
Not only has this undemocratic government schedule it exactly a month before I turn 18, they have basically given TFL another excuse not to award tenders. Why does this May, who orginally supported Remain, now pleasing the british people with brexit have to ask for more??? I tend to have ideas slightly to the right but why do the Tories have to act all greedy to try and increase their majority? They will be surprised in the London area, a lot of Lib Dems taking it back. In elections these days, left or right, expect the unexpected. I think it is a bit far calling the government undemocratic, the whole reason we are leaving the EU is because of "democracy," also just tough luck that you can't vote it was me last time. Personally I think that a general election might actually be a good thing, because even though leaving the EU is in my eyes a mistake, May will need to negotiate an exit deal and it's far better to have a strong government involved in this deal rather than a weak one. I also think that in London most of the seats will remain Labour, the Lib Dems have a slight chance of acting as an "anti Brexit" party but I don't see it working in just the few weeks that all the parties have to get their act together. I think you may be slightly underestimating the Lib Dems. They are good at local targetting of seats and I expect they will put up one heck of a fight in seats they lost last time. Those seats remain marginal at best and the vibe is that the Tory MPs who won last time are worried about losing this time. The Lib Dems have been getting organised in target seats for a fair while and have been adding members especially from Labour voters who are hugely disappointed with Corbyn's stance on Brexit and lacklustre leadership. They are well placed to nick votes from Tory and Labour in a number of seats but we shall see what transpires. A 7 week campaign is a long time and a lot can go wrong for any party taking part. |
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Post by 725DYE on Apr 23, 2017 16:40:59 GMT
Surprised I didn't go searching for this thread earlier....  Its never good to make definite predictions over a general election ditto any election for that matter, but in my belief, labour will be flushed down the loo for some good time now. Corbyn's promise of 4 more bank holidays is absolutely ludicrous, especially as most will be concentrated in the April/ May time of year. As for Lib Dems, I would expect them to fight back, but to what extent we will just have to see. The fact that they are good at retaining local seats (including my constituency  ) must help them. But for the love of god, I really hope that UKIP and the Greens don't gain any popularity and/ or influence in government. We are living in strange and interesting times, and this is about to become even more different...... |
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it was me last time. Personally I think that a general election might actually be a good thing, because even though leaving the EU is in my eyes a mistake, May will need to negotiate an exit deal and it's far better to have a strong government involved in this deal rather than a weak one. 
) must help them. But for the love of god, I really hope that UKIP and the Greens don't gain any popularity and/ or influence in government.