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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2023 20:57:44 GMT
Slight correction, staff didn’t smash the windows. There were two men with tools waiting on the platform who smashed the windows. According to several eyewitness reports underground staff were nowhere to be found. The train also reportedly stopped with a few carriages in the tunnel. Just a prime example of where TfLs cost cutting methods have severely damaged the networks viability. I can barely use the tube these days because of the extremely loud braking and overwhelming noise. Agree, the screeching is unbearable nowadays. I use the jubilee daily now and the noise frankly is louder than a plane taking off On maintenance - has anyone seen the roads nowadays? Potholes galore. Doesn’t matter which road it is, it’s all very badly maintained. Can’t vouch for other boroughs but Greenwich / lewisham borough roads are awful Try driving in front of Queen Elizabeth Hospital in woolwich. Seems like the surface of the moon! Lambeth roads have always been decent because the council actually (most of the time) get the old tarmac out and resurface them properly. I'd like them to come and do Effra Road which really needs it but when it comes to potholes, they're one of the better ones in terms of sorting it - we had a nasty one on Tulse Hill that even caused buses to slow down for it but the council decided to fully tarmac Tulse Hill and even did the gyratory recently as well. East London councils on the other hand are very bad I find from my travels, especially Barking & Dagenham. Havering is ok though.
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Post by northlondon83 on May 5, 2023 21:06:57 GMT
Slight correction, staff didn’t smash the windows. There were two men with tools waiting on the platform who smashed the windows. According to several eyewitness reports underground staff were nowhere to be found. The train also reportedly stopped with a few carriages in the tunnel. Just a prime example of where TfLs cost cutting methods have severely damaged the networks viability. I can barely use the tube these days because of the extremely loud braking and overwhelming noise. Agree, the screeching is unbearable nowadays. I use the jubilee daily now and the noise frankly is louder than a plane taking off On maintenance - has anyone seen the roads nowadays? Potholes galore. Doesn’t matter which road it is, it’s all very badly maintained. Can’t vouch for other boroughs but Greenwich / lewisham borough roads are awful Try driving in front of Queen Elizabeth Hospital in woolwich. Seems like the surface of the moon! There's potholes in pretty much every part of London sadly
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Post by WH241 on May 5, 2023 21:24:44 GMT
Here is a clip of the incident earlier today! The guy on his mobile is oblivious to what’s going on
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Post by northlondon83 on May 5, 2023 21:34:11 GMT
Here is a clip of the incident earlier today! The guy on his mobile is oblivious to what’s going on Clapham Common is the worst station of all stations for that to happen! The platforms are tiny!
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Post by routew15 on May 5, 2023 21:40:44 GMT
Here is a clip of the incident earlier today! The guy on his mobile is oblivious to what’s going on I do wish we had a greater understanding on the timescale of events. To see which step needs intervention to ensure passengers don’t take these actions in the future but equally aren’t trapped in a more immediate emergency situation.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2023 22:26:02 GMT
Here is a clip of the incident earlier today! The guy on his mobile is oblivious to what’s going on I do wish we had a greater understanding on the timescale of events. To see which step needs intervention to ensure passengers don’t take these actions in the future but equally aren’t trapped in a more immediate emergency situation. I just hope the RAIB do a thorough investigation to see where the fault has occurred as the LFB and TfL are saying brake dust caused a train fault but wouldn’t that trigger a warning in the drivers cab? I think there are a lot of questions for TfL but thankfully it seems there were no injuries.
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2023 22:36:24 GMT
I do wish we had a greater understanding on the timescale of events. To see which step needs intervention to ensure passengers don’t take these actions in the future but equally aren’t trapped in a more immediate emergency situation. I just hope the RAIB do a thorough investigation to see where the fault has occurred as the LFB and TfL are saying brake dust caused a train fault but wouldn’t that trigger a warning in the drivers cab? I think there are a lot of questions for TfL but thankfully it seems there were no injuries. In would like to hear from the unions as to why their safety critical staff member was either unaware or reportedly took no action.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2023 22:44:04 GMT
I just hope the RAIB do a thorough investigation to see where the fault has occurred as the LFB and TfL are saying brake dust caused a train fault but wouldn’t that trigger a warning in the drivers cab? I think there are a lot of questions for TfL but thankfully it seems there were no injuries. In would like to hear from the unions as to why their safety critical staff member was either unaware or reportedly took no action. Excellent point. The unions have pushed TfL to retain as many staff as possible for incidents just like this and yet from all accounts not a single member of staff was there to assist.
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Post by routew15 on May 5, 2023 23:31:39 GMT
I just hope the RAIB do a thorough investigation to see where the fault has occurred as the LFB and TfL are saying brake dust caused a train fault but wouldn’t that trigger a warning in the drivers cab? I think there are a lot of questions for TfL but thankfully it seems there were no injuries. In would like to hear from the unions as to why their safety critical staff member was either unaware or reportedly took no action. Sorry but how do you know no action was taken? The train was not fully birthed in the platform. Opening the doors in that position is not exactly straightforward. We do not have the timescale of this incident to even say if there was a delay to call for action, it all could have happened in the space of seconds not minutes. What this footage has made clear is in emergency staff determine escape, which I admit sounds a little frightening to me. Especially considering how rapid these scenarios can evolve.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2023 23:31:50 GMT
In would like to hear from the unions as to why their safety critical staff member was either unaware or reportedly took no action. Excellent point. The unions have pushed TfL to retain as many staff as possible for incidents just like this and yet from all accounts not a single member of staff was there to assist. I have seen a lot of accounts of twitter, etc of people who said staff at the station, shrugged and did nothing. I am not defending the staff, but it could be maybe they were scared and could have thought it was a fight or something. Not sure why the doors did not open though. Clapham Common: Passengers smash Tube train windows in fire alertPassengers smashed their way out of a Tube train in south London following a fire alert on Friday evening.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65501041
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Post by SILENCED on May 6, 2023 0:25:45 GMT
In would like to hear from the unions as to why their safety critical staff member was either unaware or reportedly took no action. Sorry but how do you know no action was taken? The train was not fully birthed in the platform. Opening the doors in that position is not exactly straightforward. We do not have the timescale of this incident to even say if there was a delay to call for action, it all could have happened in the space of seconds not minutes. What this footage has made clear is in emergency staff determine escape, which I admit sounds a little frightening to me. Especially considering how rapid these scenarios can evolve. That footage shows staff did not determine escape and the public had to take it upon themselves to ensure their own safety, or do LU workers dress in disguise as workmen now?
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 6, 2023 1:15:05 GMT
Slight correction, staff didn’t smash the windows. There were two men with tools waiting on the platform who smashed the windows. According to several eyewitness reports underground staff were nowhere to be found. The train also reportedly stopped with a few carriages in the tunnel. Just a prime example of where TfLs cost cutting methods have severely damaged the networks viability. I can barely use the tube these days because of the extremely loud braking and overwhelming noise. Agree, the screeching is unbearable nowadays. I use the jubilee daily now and the noise frankly is louder than a plane taking off On maintenance - has anyone seen the roads nowadays? Potholes galore. Doesn’t matter which road it is, it’s all very badly maintained. Can’t vouch for other boroughs but Greenwich / lewisham borough roads are awful Try driving in front of Queen Elizabeth Hospital in woolwich. Seems like the surface of the moon! It's the same everywhere in London it seems! On the one hand it makes for a horrible ride with buses having to slow done for potholes on a regular basis but on the other hand given how roadworks are done in this country it'd be permanent traffic chaos if they decided to sort it out!
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Post by routew15 on May 6, 2023 7:10:50 GMT
Sorry but how do you know no action was taken? The train was not fully birthed in the platform. Opening the doors in that position is not exactly straightforward. We do not have the timescale of this incident to even say if there was a delay to call for action, it all could have happened in the space of seconds not minutes. What this footage has made clear is in emergency staff determine escape, which I admit sounds a little frightening to me. Especially considering how rapid these scenarios can evolve. That footage shows staff did not determine escape and the public had to take it upon themselves to ensure their own safety, or do LU workers dress in disguise as workmen now? If you read my post again, I’m not actually disagreeing with that point though. Simply pointing out that on paper staff determine escape in this type of scenario. If the tools of the workmen weren’t available in a repeat incident it would be much harder for an escape. It should be looked at as to whether passengers are given in car devices to escape. What I was disagreeing with (which you haven’t replied to) is, how do you know the driver was doing nothing? Have you seen in cab footage?
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Post by SILENCED on May 6, 2023 8:21:56 GMT
That footage shows staff did not determine escape and the public had to take it upon themselves to ensure their own safety, or do LU workers dress in disguise as workmen now? If you read my post again, I’m not actually disagreeing with that point though. Simply pointing out that on paper staff determine escape in this type of scenario. If the tools of the workmen weren’t available in a repeat incident it would be much harder for an escape. It should be looked at as to whether passengers are given in car devices to escape. What I was disagreeing with (which you haven’t replied to) is, how do you know the driver was doing nothing? Have you seen in cab footage? In a situation like this a safety critical person needs to be seen doing something immediately. If they are not, and an immediate response is required, then they have failed. If he was on the phone to someone or whatever, it was not he required action, so again has failed. To me the simple safety critical action would be to open all doors. We need an explanation why this did not happen.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 6, 2023 8:30:51 GMT
To me the simple safety critical action would be to open all doors. We need an explanation why this did not happen. The train stopped 2 cars out of the station after several PEAs were operated, the driver was probably dealing with those, doors should not be opened in tunnels except under extreme circumstances
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