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Post by redbus on May 7, 2023 21:21:19 GMT
They is an outside staff-egress-device which will open one double-door on a car; it is not marked as an emergency device for passenger use. There was no smoke, as confirmed by LU and LFB. The train was departing, it had already opened all doors on the platform. If I was on that train, it would look like smoke to me. Doesn’t matter what it actually is, I’d want to be out of there as soon as possible. All in all it must have been pretty horrific for the passengers, as the perception of smoke (and potentially a fire somewhere), even if the reality was brake dust, would be enough to send many people into a panic and worse. One works on one's perception in these situations whatever the reality. The driver may well not have known what was going on in the carriages and felt it was too dangerous to open the doors with the train part in the tunnel, perhaps knowing there was no fire. TfL need to learn from this and find a way so passengers can be let out when there is a perception of things like smoke, or have a means to convince passengers that there is no big problem, no need to panic.
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Post by greenboy on May 7, 2023 22:50:05 GMT
They is an outside staff-egress-device which will open one double-door on a car; it is not marked as an emergency device for passenger use. There was no smoke, as confirmed by LU and LFB. The train was departing, it had already opened all doors on the platform. If I was on that train, it would look like smoke to me. Doesn’t matter what it actually is, I’d want to be out of there as soon as possible. Exactly, get the hell out and ask questions later.
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Post by M1104 on May 8, 2023 10:47:41 GMT
Here is a clip of the incident earlier today! The guy on his mobile is oblivious to what’s going on Clapham Common is the worst station of all stations for that to happen! The platforms are tiny! Had the incident happened a few minutes later it may have been Clapham North which has the same platform layout.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 8, 2023 11:05:52 GMT
They is an outside staff-egress-device which will open one double-door on a car; it is not marked as an emergency device for passenger use. There was no smoke, as confirmed by LU and LFB. The train was departing, it had already opened all doors on the platform. If I was on that train, it would look like smoke to me. Doesn’t matter what it actually is, I’d want to be out of there as soon as possible. I think that's what the bigger issue is here. Thankfully in this case it wasn't smoke, but that's not an excuse. It very well could have been smoke. The failings in this shouldn't be covered up with the plaster of 'it wasn't smoke in the end'. Don't mainline trains have the ability for anyone to open doors when a train has stopped? This should also be common on the underground.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 8, 2023 11:21:30 GMT
If I was on that train, it would look like smoke to me. Doesn’t matter what it actually is, I’d want to be out of there as soon as possible. I think that's what the bigger issue is here. Thankfully in this case it wasn't smoke, but that's not an excuse. It very well could have been smoke. The failings in this shouldn't be covered up with the plaster of 'it wasn't smoke in the end'. Don't mainline trains have the ability for anyone to open doors when a train has stopped? This should also be common on the underground. Yes mainline trains do have this. I always wondered why the Underground never had it.
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Post by VPL630 on May 8, 2023 17:26:02 GMT
Don't mainline trains have the ability for anyone to open doors when a train has stopped? This should also be common on the underground. Traction dependant you can open doors at line speed as well
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Post by rj131 on May 11, 2023 6:54:49 GMT
Issue earlier on at Clapham Common station. Train couldn’t open doors and was filling up with smoke. Staff had to smash windows and passengers were climbing out of the windows to get out. Slight correction, staff didn’t smash the windows. There were two men with tools waiting on the platform who smashed the windows. According to several eyewitness reports underground staff were nowhere to be found. The train also reportedly stopped with a few carriages in the tunnel. Just a prime example of where TfLs cost cutting methods have severely damaged the networks viability. I can barely use the tube these days because of the extremely loud braking and overwhelming noise. Slight correction, staff didn’t smash the windows. There were two men with tools waiting on the platform who smashed the windows. According to several eyewitness reports underground staff were nowhere to be found. The train also reportedly stopped with a few carriages in the tunnel. Just a prime example of where TfLs cost cutting methods have severely damaged the networks viability. I can barely use the tube these days because of the extremely loud braking and overwhelming noise. Agree, the screeching is unbearable nowadays. I use the jubilee daily now and the noise frankly is louder than a plane taking off On maintenance - has anyone seen the roads nowadays? Potholes galore. Doesn’t matter which road it is, it’s all very badly maintained. Can’t vouch for other boroughs but Greenwich / lewisham borough roads are awful Try driving in front of Queen Elizabeth Hospital in woolwich. Seems like the surface of the moon! Sorry bit later to the party on this one, but genuine question: why is the tube screeching so loudly now, what are TfL doing differently now cost cutting wise to cause it?
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 12, 2023 23:49:41 GMT
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Post by richard on May 23, 2023 18:50:27 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 12, 2023 9:58:11 GMT
Excellent point. The unions have pushed TfL to retain as many staff as possible for incidents just like this and yet from all accounts not a single member of staff was there to assist. I have seen a lot of accounts of twitter, etc of people who said staff at the station, shrugged and did nothing. I am not defending the staff, but it could be maybe they were scared and could have thought it was a fight or something. Not sure why the doors did not open though. Clapham Common: Passengers smash Tube train windows in fire alertPassengers smashed their way out of a Tube train in south London following a fire alert on Friday evening.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65501041 Clapham Common station: Panic down to 'human factors'"Human factors" have been cited as the cause of a panic on a London Underground train at Clapham Common last May.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67683469
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 27, 2023 18:16:52 GMT
The Northern Line will be closed between Golders Green and Edgware over a ten-day period in April 2024, to allow preparatory work for the rebuilding of Colindale Station to take place. The closure takes place from Tuesday 2nd April, which is just after the Easter weekend, and lasts until Thursday 11th April. Further weekend closures have been confirmed in June, for the weekends 15/16, 22/23 and 29/30 June. Colindale Station itself will close temporarily from Summer 2024 to allow the works to take place. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/northern-line-set-for-partial-closure-in-april-2024-68655/
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 27, 2023 18:59:56 GMT
The Northern Line will be closed between Golders Green and Edgware over a ten-day period in April 2024, to allow preparatory work for the rebuilding of Colindale Station to take place. The closure takes place from Tuesday 2nd April, which is just after the Easter weekend, and lasts until Thursday 11th April. Further weekend closures have been confirmed in June, for the weekends 15/16, 22/23 and 29/30 June. Colindale Station itself will close temporarily from Summer 2024 to allow the works to take place. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/northern-line-set-for-partial-closure-in-april-2024-68655/ I presume the need to upgrade Colindale is down to the new housing in the area?
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 27, 2023 20:16:05 GMT
The Northern Line will be closed between Golders Green and Edgware over a ten-day period in April 2024, to allow preparatory work for the rebuilding of Colindale Station to take place. The closure takes place from Tuesday 2nd April, which is just after the Easter weekend, and lasts until Thursday 11th April. Further weekend closures have been confirmed in June, for the weekends 15/16, 22/23 and 29/30 June. Colindale Station itself will close temporarily from Summer 2024 to allow the works to take place. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/northern-line-set-for-partial-closure-in-april-2024-68655/ I presume the need to upgrade Colindale is down to the new housing in the area? Hopefully the new Brent Cross West Station will really come into its own. I'd imagine people from Edgaware will make their way to Stanmore and Cannons Park.
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Post by VWH1413 on Dec 27, 2023 20:55:01 GMT
The Northern Line will be closed between Golders Green and Edgware over a ten-day period in April 2024, to allow preparatory work for the rebuilding of Colindale Station to take place. The closure takes place from Tuesday 2nd April, which is just after the Easter weekend, and lasts until Thursday 11th April. Further weekend closures have been confirmed in June, for the weekends 15/16, 22/23 and 29/30 June. Colindale Station itself will close temporarily from Summer 2024 to allow the works to take place. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/northern-line-set-for-partial-closure-in-april-2024-68655/ I presume the need to upgrade Colindale is down to the new housing in the area? Yes. In-fact it is even acknowledged on Barnet Council’s website Colindale of fastest in London for population growth, second only to Stratford. Will also help with deprivation as well, hence levelling up fund to help with step free access. Only a few years also since Barnet Council moved their HQ to the area as well make that you will. Hopefully disruption will be minimised with provisions in place via TFL. Thankfully in Golders Green/Brent Cross Finchley Central Station is a good alternative (esp for me into TCR/King’s Cross Station) as well as Kingsbury/Canons Park. Or 113/240 for other links. I guess 142 helps a bit for Colindale/Burnt Oak.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 27, 2023 21:01:24 GMT
I presume the need to upgrade Colindale is down to the new housing in the area? Yes. In-fact it is even acknowledged on Barnet Council’s website Colindale of fastest in London for population growth, second only to Stratford. Will also help with deprivation as well, hence levelling up fund to help with step free access. Only a few years also since Barnet Council moved their HQ to the area as well make that you will. Hopefully disruption will be minimised with provisions in place via TFL. Thankfully in Golders Green/Brent Cross Finchley Central Station is a good alternative (esp for me into TCR/King’s Cross Station) as well as Kingsbury/Canons Park. Or 113/240 for other links. I guess 142 helps a bit for Colindale/Burnt Oak. I'm assuming a rail replacement route will be running from Edgware to GG even though as was found with the Bank branch closure and the 733 most passengers tend to make there own ways to other stations or use regular routes.
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