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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 20, 2023 17:13:21 GMT
Well compared to the 315's the seats are crap. Not a fan of any of these rock hard ball bag busting seats Comfort isn't just the seating. It is also the on-board temperature (air-conditioning/heating), noise levels, and ride quality. Ease of boarding and alighting even at busy times also enhances the journey experience and can be regarded as contributing to overall comfort. Class 315s are all well and good but I don't think I would want to be riding one through the Central Core! I'd love to try it just once though 😂
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 20, 2023 19:21:31 GMT
Well compared to the 315's the seats are crap. Not a fan of any of these rock hard ball bag busting seats Comfort isn't just the seating. It is also the on-board temperature (air-conditioning/heating), noise levels, and ride quality. Ease of boarding and alighting even at busy times also enhances the journey experience and can be regarded as contributing to overall comfort. Class 315s are all well and good but I don't think I would want to be riding one through the Central Core! I would love to ride one in the central section. I do miss them, if they had part side facing seats and aircon it would have been better. My poor 315's what have they done to them
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Post by WH241 on Jul 20, 2023 19:27:27 GMT
Well compared to the 315's the seats are crap. Not a fan of any of these rock hard ball bag busting seats I'm not going to look at those seats in the same way again now. The rows of 4 seats that face each other are quite comfy, but very rare to find them empty Seats on the new DLR train are very similar to them. It's rare to find a spare seat at all on occasions (At weekends) even 2 stops from Abbey Wood. I think the line is great but I actually reverted back to my old travel patterns via the DLR and Underground when heading into town, yes its about 10 mins slower but I usually get a choice of seat on the DLR and have phone reception! I am really not a fan of the seating on the 345s especially the long rows.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2023 0:07:45 GMT
Comfort isn't just the seating. It is also the on-board temperature (air-conditioning/heating), noise levels, and ride quality. Ease of boarding and alighting even at busy times also enhances the journey experience and can be regarded as contributing to overall comfort. Class 315s are all well and good but I don't think I would want to be riding one through the Central Core! I would love to ride one in the central section. I do miss them, if they had part side facing seats and aircon it would have been better. My poor 315's what have they done to them They grew on me the more I used them but I preferred the 317's more on the Cheshunt routes if I'm being honest
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Post by rif153 on Jul 21, 2023 3:29:21 GMT
Would a swap of the District Line and Piccadilly Line terminus (Uxbridge and Ealing Broadway) be an option? I rarely see more than one District line at Ealing Broadway and they have 3 terminating bays to use whereas that one district line could fit into Uxbridge nicely? An interesting proposal. Not sure if it is viable but it would certainly be a long journey into central London. The District line is one of the slowest lines and Uxbridge to Upminster would be 54 stops! Whilst not impossible it's certainly unattractive. The only alternative proposal in the Uxbridge area I'd have is to divert some of the West Ruislip service on the central line to Uxbridge The Uxbridge branch takes such a long winded route to Central London, its no surprise people opt for faster alternatives which many of the stations share catchment areas with e.g Central line at Hanger Lane and West Acton, Bakerloo/Overground from Wembley instead of Pic at Sudbury.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 21, 2023 8:08:22 GMT
Not sure how many trains per hour can terminate at Uxbridge considering there's the Metropolitan too. I'd say 6ph would probably be ok. That is an ideal world although the Uxbridge branch is always ignored! The Metropolitan line is considerably faster into central London though Would a swap of the District Line and Piccadilly Line terminus (Uxbridge and Ealing Broadway) be an option? I rarely see more than one District line at Ealing Broadway and they have 3 terminating bays to use whereas that one district line could fit into Uxbridge nicely? I would agree with that. I'm not sure where the extra trains required to extend the District line to Uxbridge would come from, as it would be considerably longer than to Ealing Broadway. However, the positive would be that the Piccadilly line would require fewer trains to reach 27tph, so the new fleet could elevate the frequency further, maybe to 29 or 30tph. Additionally Chiswick Park would not close. Another thing to mention is that that would make the District line appear very complicated on the Tube map. Would it be a stupid idea to split it into two lines?
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 21, 2023 9:08:16 GMT
Would a swap of the District Line and Piccadilly Line terminus (Uxbridge and Ealing Broadway) be an option? I rarely see more than one District line at Ealing Broadway and they have 3 terminating bays to use whereas that one district line could fit into Uxbridge nicely? I would agree with that. I'm not sure where the extra trains required to extend the District line to Uxbridge would come from, as it would be considerably longer than to Ealing Broadway. However, the positive would be that the Piccadilly line would require fewer trains to reach 27tph, so the new fleet could elevate the frequency further, maybe to 29 or 30tph. Additionally Chiswick Park would not close. Another thing to mention is that that would make the District line appear very complicated on the Tube map. Would it be a stupid idea to split it into two lines? I would colour Wimbledon to Edgware Road differently and give it a new name, but I suspect I’m in the minority here. And this is wayyyyyy off topic!
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Post by greenboy on Jul 21, 2023 9:21:35 GMT
I would agree with that. I'm not sure where the extra trains required to extend the District line to Uxbridge would come from, as it would be considerably longer than to Ealing Broadway. However, the positive would be that the Piccadilly line would require fewer trains to reach 27tph, so the new fleet could elevate the frequency further, maybe to 29 or 30tph. Additionally Chiswick Park would not close. Another thing to mention is that that would make the District line appear very complicated on the Tube map. Would it be a stupid idea to split it into two lines? I would colour Wimbledon to Edgware Road differently and give it a new name, but I suspect I’m in the minority here. And this is wayyyyyy off topic! Not a bad idea, it's often known as the Wimbleware.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 21, 2023 9:28:57 GMT
I would colour Wimbledon to Edgware Road differently and give it a new name, but I suspect I’m in the minority here. And this is wayyyyyy off topic! Not a bad idea, it's often known as the Wimbleware. Or the Womble Line
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 21, 2023 9:58:09 GMT
I would agree with that. I'm not sure where the extra trains required to extend the District line to Uxbridge would come from, as it would be considerably longer than to Ealing Broadway. However, the positive would be that the Piccadilly line would require fewer trains to reach 27tph, so the new fleet could elevate the frequency further, maybe to 29 or 30tph. Additionally Chiswick Park would not close. Another thing to mention is that that would make the District line appear very complicated on the Tube map. Would it be a stupid idea to split it into two lines? I would colour Wimbledon to Edgware Road differently and give it a new name, but I suspect I’m in the minority here. And this is wayyyyyy off topic! In my opinion, all those years ago when they turned the Circle Line into the ‘Teacup’ line with the Hammersmith extension, I thought instead of what they ended up with, they should have diverted the Hammersmith & City line to Wimbledon replacing the Edgware Rd-Wimbledon service (renamed of course as it wouldn’t serve Hammersmith anymore). This way the through service is maintained at Edgware Road without changing. If needed, a supplementary shuttle service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road could be run if capacity is needed
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 21, 2023 10:58:36 GMT
I thought instead of what they ended up with, they should have diverted the Hammersmith & City line to Wimbledon replacing the Edgware Rd-Wimbledon service (renamed of course as it wouldn’t serve Hammersmith anymore). This way the through service is maintained at Edgware Road without changing. If needed, a supplementary shuttle service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road could be run if capacity is needed That would leave only the Circle Line serving Hammersmith every 10mins, the reason for both services was to double the frequency to Hammersmith.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 21, 2023 12:21:54 GMT
I would colour Wimbledon to Edgware Road differently and give it a new name, but I suspect I’m in the minority here. And this is wayyyyyy off topic! In my opinion, all those years ago when they turned the Circle Line into the ‘Teacup’ line with the Hammersmith extension, I thought instead of what they ended up with, they should have diverted the Hammersmith & City line to Wimbledon replacing the Edgware Rd-Wimbledon service (renamed of course as it wouldn’t serve Hammersmith anymore). This way the through service is maintained at Edgware Road without changing. If needed, a supplementary shuttle service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road could be run if capacity is needed You could alternatively divert half the H&C to Wimbledon. This would mean that Hammersmith to Edgware Road would have 9tph, as would HSK to Edhware Road and Wimbledon to Earl's Court too. I'd still have District line services from the city serving Wimbledon
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 21, 2023 13:35:41 GMT
In my opinion, all those years ago when they turned the Circle Line into the ‘Teacup’ line with the Hammersmith extension, I thought instead of what they ended up with, they should have diverted the Hammersmith & City line to Wimbledon replacing the Edgware Rd-Wimbledon service (renamed of course as it wouldn’t serve Hammersmith anymore). This way the through service is maintained at Edgware Road without changing. If needed, a supplementary shuttle service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road could be run if capacity is needed You could alternatively divert half the H&C to Wimbledon. This would mean that Hammersmith to Edgware Road would have 9tph, as would HSK to Edhware Road and Wimbledon to Earl's Court too. I'd still have District line services from the city serving Wimbledon Does the Wimbledon branch actually need direct trains to Edgware Road, or would it be better if all went via Victoria/Embankment, changing at Gloucester Road for the Circle Line? Could maybe restructure the subsurface lines a bit to have the Circle Line double in frequency to every 5 minutes, also becoming the only line via High Street Kensington and via Ladbroke Grove. Get rid of the H&C line, with Aldgate Met Line services extended towards Barking (at least the Uxbridge services). Then all District Line trains running from Upminster/Barking, alternating to Wimbledon and Richmond. And of course the Piccadilly taking over Ealing Broadway.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 21, 2023 15:41:06 GMT
You could alternatively divert half the H&C to Wimbledon. This would mean that Hammersmith to Edgware Road would have 9tph, as would HSK to Edhware Road and Wimbledon to Earl's Court too. I'd still have District line services from the city serving Wimbledon Does the Wimbledon branch actually need direct trains to Edgware Road, or would it be better if all went via Victoria/Embankment, changing at Gloucester Road for the Circle Line? Could maybe restructure the subsurface lines a bit to have the Circle Line double in frequency to every 5 minutes, also becoming the only line via High Street Kensington and via Ladbroke Grove. Get rid of the H&C line, with Aldgate Met Line services extended towards Barking (at least the Uxbridge services). Then all District Line trains running from Upminster/Barking, alternating to Wimbledon and Richmond. And of course the Piccadilly taking over Ealing Broadway. That would probably require a bit of work for the S8s to run beyond Aldgate, and a new junction for the Met Line to run from Aldgate through to Aldgate East- there probably isn't enough S8s for that service pattern. Probably best to leave it all as it is
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 21, 2023 15:44:25 GMT
I'm not going to look at those seats in the same way again now. The rows of 4 seats that face each other are quite comfy, but very rare to find them empty Seats on the new DLR train are very similar to them. It's rare to find a spare seat at all on occasions (At weekends) even 2 stops from Abbey Wood. I think the line is great but I actually reverted back to my old travel patterns via the DLR and Underground when heading into town, yes its about 10 mins slower but I usually get a choice of seat on the DLR and have phone reception! I am really not a fan of the seating on the 345s especially the long rows. The seats on the new B23 fleet are similar in comfort to the class 345s and to the same layout, except for the pair of seats at the front ends which are quite comfy. However, not sure what route they are going to mainly operate at the moment.
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