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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2022 13:37:12 GMT
Because he has some sort of agenda against the western section of Crossrail whilst conveniently forgetting how bad the eastern part was under TfL Rail as told to myself by many local users from the Romford & Harold Wood areas who struggled to rely on the service. And how much years ago was that. Most of that was the end of Greater Anglia, WAGN etc term and the start of TfL Rail. Since 2017, the line has been improved massively. The western part has stayed the same abysmal service as what the TfL Rail used to be like. No it wasn’t - it was poor under TfL Rail over in East London not at the beginning but throughout TfL’s Rail tenure pre pandemic as I’ve not only witnessed for myself but had more local people tell me how bad it was. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 31, 2022 10:44:25 GMT
And how much years ago was that. Most of that was the end of Greater Anglia, WAGN etc term and the start of TfL Rail. Since 2017, the line has been improved massively. The western part has stayed the same abysmal service as what the TfL Rail used to be like. No it wasn’t - it was poor under TfL Rail over in East London not at the beginning but throughout TfL’s Rail tenure pre pandemic as I’ve not only witnessed for myself but had more local people tell me how bad it was. Well I have first hand experience I have used it. My misses used it for the past 9 years as a daily commute into central London and never had problems with it then either. Most of it was the initial TfL Rail phase. When the first class 345's came on the route, and some of the faulty 315's were taken off the line was hugely improved. I cannot fault it, compared to the abomination in the west, which lasts for hours at times. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 31, 2022 12:18:30 GMT
No it wasn’t - it was poor under TfL Rail over in East London not at the beginning but throughout TfL’s Rail tenure pre pandemic as I’ve not only witnessed for myself but had more local people tell me how bad it was. Well I have first hand experience I have used it. My misses used it for the past 9 years as a daily commute into central London and never had problems with it then either. Most of it was the initial TfL Rail phase. When the first class 345's came on the route, and some of the faulty 315's were taken off the line was hugely improved. I cannot fault it, compared to the abomination in the west, which lasts for hours at times. It certainly hugely improved, but that doesn't wipe out the fact that initially it was a disastrous service and the names "TfL Fail" and "Sh*tfield Metro" didn't come out of nowhere. Its only become a viable option lately for me, prior to that you were better off using the 25 and 86 as opposed to using the line. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 31, 2022 12:27:53 GMT
Well I have first hand experience I have used it. My misses used it for the past 9 years as a daily commute into central London and never had problems with it then either. Most of it was the initial TfL Rail phase. When the first class 345's came on the route, and some of the faulty 315's were taken off the line was hugely improved. I cannot fault it, compared to the abomination in the west, which lasts for hours at times. It certainly hugely improved, but that doesn't wipe out the fact that initially it was a disastrous service and the names "TfL Fail" and "Sh*tfield Metro" didn't come out of nowhere. Its only become a viable option lately for me, prior to that you were better off using the 25 and 86 as opposed to using the line. People come up with these names regardless. I have seen loads over the years with Jubilee, Central, District, Northern etc. The most common over used tasteless one is misery line. It also had a lot of people hate the skipping non busier stations and clowns that do not bother to listen to announcements then miss their station because of this, then complain. Or the ones that wait at the wrong platform. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 31, 2022 12:31:43 GMT
No it wasn’t - it was poor under TfL Rail over in East London not at the beginning but throughout TfL’s Rail tenure pre pandemic as I’ve not only witnessed for myself but had more local people tell me how bad it was. Well I have first hand experience I have used it. My misses used it for the past 9 years as a daily commute into central London and never had problems with it then either. Most of it was the initial TfL Rail phase. When the first class 345's came on the route, and some of the faulty 315's were taken off the line was hugely improved. I cannot fault it, compared to the abomination in the west, which lasts for hours at times. Do you not read? I literally said aside from my own limited observations, that people I know who actually live on the line and use it daily have reported the exact same thing so well done to you for having first hand experience but don't just write off my view because it doesn't stack with yours. Very interesting how little has been reported about the western section in comparison other than the last year... |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 31, 2022 20:29:36 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 31, 2022 20:40:06 GMT
Interestingly doesn't show the Liverpool Street peak hour shorts as not running via Whitechapel into the main line platforms (ie showing Liverpool Street as an interchange for them) |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 31, 2022 21:50:52 GMT
Interestingly doesn't show the Liverpool Street peak hour shorts as not running via Whitechapel into the main line platforms (ie showing Liverpool Street as an interchange for them) The map is very misleading - as you say, doesn’t show the peak workings to Liverpool Street mainline nor does it show that the rest of the Shenfield line services only going as far west as Paddington until May next year |
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Post by VMH2537 on Oct 31, 2022 22:01:20 GMT
Interestingly doesn't show the Liverpool Street peak hour shorts as not running via Whitechapel into the main line platforms (ie showing Liverpool Street as an interchange for them) The service will only have two trains in the peaks. Doesn't need to waste space on the map. The Overground also runs two trains a day to Battersea Park and is not shown for that reason. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 31, 2022 22:05:31 GMT
Interestingly doesn't show the Liverpool Street peak hour shorts as not running via Whitechapel into the main line platforms (ie showing Liverpool Street as an interchange for them) The service will only have two trains in the peaks. Doesn't need to waste space on the map. The Overground also runs two trains a day to Battersea Park and is not shown for that reason. Yes but the overground battersea park trains are lightly used. Unlike the trains to Liverpool Street which would be a touch more crowded so could have been easily done through those dotted / dashed lines |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 31, 2022 22:18:59 GMT
Very nice. I know it’s not a ‘proper’ tube, but I do think the Lizzy line deserves to be a solid colour on both this map and on the tube map, such is its importance. As for the worry that capitalomnibus has about the joining of the western section to the core, I shall be a regular Saturday commuter from Abbey Wood to Ealing Broadway soon, so I shall get back to you on that! 😂 |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2022 0:55:22 GMT
Interestingly doesn't show the Liverpool Street peak hour shorts as not running via Whitechapel into the main line platforms (ie showing Liverpool Street as an interchange for them) The service will only have two trains in the peaks. Doesn't need to waste space on the map. The Overground also runs two trains a day to Battersea Park and is not shown for that reason. Fair comment but what about why the line from Shenfield depicts as if it runs beyond Paddington when it won't until May next year? |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 1, 2022 1:01:55 GMT
I have compiled a list of all the disruptions from the Elizabeth line and when it was TfL Rail for this year. I don not have time to do previous years. But the extent of what I was saying the West service is terrible, seems like a lot of this was also there IIRC with Heathrow Connect service and Heathrow Express.
I have not included police incident, passenger incident, track obstruction, trespasser etc.
The West has 29 incidents, East has 11 incidents.
WEST
31st October at 10:25
Ticket holders Request - Elizabeth Line - CLEARED AT 11:05
Owing to a fire alert, London Buses are accepting ticket holders between Hayes & Harlington and all Heathrow stations.
5th October at 12:53
LU Ticket Request for Elizabeth - Cleared at 1503 hrs
We are accepting London Underground ticket holders on the Elizabeth line(s), between Abbey Wood and Paddington Station owing to broken down train.
25th September at 0750
Elizabeth line ticket holders request - CLEAR 10:35
Ticket holders to be accepted Paddington to Heathrow. This is due to an overrun of engineering works
23rd September at 1713 hrs.
LU Ticket Request for Elizabeth between Paddington and Reading due to Overhead Line Equipment Issues.
We are accepting London Underground ticket holders on the Elizabeth line(s), PADDINGTON > READING owing to OBJECT BEING CAUGHT ON OVERHEAD LINE EQUIPMENT.. PrePay number:
19 September 2022
TFL Rail Ticket Request - Queen Elizabeth Line and Great Western Trains
We are accepting ticket holders, Paddington - Heathrow and Reading owing to Damaged lines Hayes.
15th September at 1444hrs
TFL Rail (Elizabeth Line) Ticket Request - Cleared at 1652hrs
We are accepting ticket holders between Paddington and Abbey Wood owing to a broken down train near Bond Street.
09 September 2022
TFL Rail Ticket Request Queen Elizabeth Line
We are accepting ticket holders, Entire Queen Elizabeth Line owing to track defect
20 July 2022
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, WEST DRAYTON TO PADDINGTON owing to WORKS OVER RUNNING
19th July at 06:37hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders between Ealing Broadway and Greenford owing to broken down train at Greenford.
22nd May at 20:55
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, Acton Mainline to Hayes & Harlington owing to Network Rail signal issue.
21st May at 2203 HRS
TFL Rail Ticket Request - PADDINGTON TO READING
We are accepting ticket holders, PADDINGTON & READING BETWEEN 2230 - 2330 owing to SHORTAGE OF SIGNALLING STAFF.
28th April at 0547
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, between Paddington & Reading owing to broken rail.
20th April at 0424Hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders from London Paddington to Slough owing to a broken rail at Southall.
19 April 2022 1130hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request CLEARED 13.15HRS
We are accepting ticket holders, London Paddington to Reading and Heathrow owing to Engineers attending to earlier signal faults now .
19 April 2022 0715hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request - CLEARED AT 08:29
We are accepting ticket holders, London Paddington to Reading and Heathrow, owing to Points Failure .
12th April at 2230hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, Paddington & Heathrow - Paddington & Reading owing to staffing issues.
26th March at 09:35
TFL Rail Ticket Request CLEARED AT 11:24
We are accepting ticket holders, between Reading and Slough and Paddington. Owing to lack of Signalling staff.
23rd March at 1647Hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders between Paddington and Slough owing to a points failure in Southall.
TFL Rail Ticket Request
23rd March at 11:00
We are accepting ticket holders, between Slough and Maidenhead owing to emergency engineering works.
22nd March at 15:27
TFL Rail Ticket Request CLEAR at 1718
We are accepting ticket holders, between Slough and Paddington, owing to a signal failure in the Southall area.
14th March at 15:07
TFL Rail Ticket Request *CLEARED AT 1845hrs*
We are accepting ticket holders between Slough and Southall owing to points failure.
12th March at 1304 hrs
TfL Rail Between Southall & Slough - CLEARED AT 14:50
We are accepting ticket holders, between SOUTHALL & SLOUGH owing to POINTS FAILURE .
8th March at 08:20
TFL Rail Ticket Request CLEARED 10:02hrs
We are accepting ticket holders, all stations between between Paddington and Reading. Owing to issues with tracks.
15th February at 2000 Hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders on TFL rail, from Paddington to Reading owing to points issue Hayes and Harlington and car on the track in Maidenhead .
7th February at 07:30
TFL Rail Ticket Request - CLEARED AT 11:32
We are accepting ticket holders, between Reading and Paddington through to Heathrow owing to track side fire.
28th January at 0618hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, between Paddington and Reading owing to a signalling issue.
17th January at 10:22
TFL Rail Ticket Request - CLEARED AT 11:32
We are accepting ticket holders, between Hayes & Harlington to Paddington owing to points failure at Ealing Broadway.
12th January at 0601 hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request **CLEARED AT 09:55**
We are accepting ticket holders, between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow owing to track defects.
05 January 2022
TFL Rail Ticket Request CLEARED 0908Hrs
We are accepting ticket holders on behalf of TFL Rail between Paddington Station to Heathrow Terminal 5 due to point failure .
EAST
20th October at 1825hrs,
LU Ticket Request for Elizabeth Line
We are accepting London Underground ticket holders on the Elizabeth line, between Liverpool Street and Shenfield, owing to Defective Track at Harold Wood.
11th October at 0517Hrs
LU Ticket Request for Elizabeth Line clear at 0737hrs
We are accepting London Underground ticket holders on the Elizabeth line between Liverpool Street and Shenfield due to overran engineering works .
4th August at 0823hrs
TFL Rail Elizabeth Line Ticket Request - CLEARED AT 1011hrs
We are accepting ticket holders on the Elizabeth Line between Liverpool St and Harold Wood due to a points failure at Marylands.
18th May at 19:12
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders for TfL Rail, between Liverpool Street and Shenfield, owing to a points failure.
28th April at 0500
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, between Liverpool Street & Shenfield owing to overrun engineering works.
22nd March at 06:04hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request - CLEARED AT 07:55
We are accepting ticket holders, on behalf of TFL Rail between Liverpool Street and Shenfield owing to Signalling fault between Liverpool Street and Stratford.
15th March at 18:07
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, between Liverpool Street and Shenfield owing to a signal failure at Forest Gate.
14th March at 0647hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request - CLEARED at 1014Hrs
We are accepting ticket holders, between Shenfield and Liverpool Street, owing to a signal failure.
6th March at 11:30
TFL Rail Ticket Request
We are accepting ticket holders, Liverpool Street to Brentwood owing to severe delays due to earlier overhead cables being damaged .
17th January at 19:22
TFL Rail Ticket Request - Cleared at 1953 hrs
We are accepting ticket holders, between Shenfield and Liverpool Street owing to a broken down train.
10th January at 0835 Hrs
TFL Rail Ticket Request - CLEARED 11:15
We are accepting ticket holders, between Liverpool Street and Shenfield Station owing to multiple broken down trains.
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 1, 2022 8:27:33 GMT
Interestingly doesn't show the Liverpool Street peak hour shorts as not running via Whitechapel into the main line platforms (ie showing Liverpool Street as an interchange for them) The map is very misleading - as you say, doesn’t show the peak workings to Liverpool Street mainline nor does it show that the rest of the Shenfield line services only going as far west as Paddington until May next year I think they wanted to do it similar to how the other Underground lines are like and also it would be too much hassle to constantly keep changing it to appease people. From their perspective they probably want people to use the core section and change there. |
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Post by busman on Nov 1, 2022 11:02:59 GMT
Very nice. I know it’s not a ‘proper’ tube, but I do think the Lizzy line deserves to be a solid colour on both this map and on the tube map, such is its importance. As for the worry that capitalomnibus has about the joining of the western section to the core, I shall be a regular Saturday commuter from Abbey Wood to Ealing Broadway soon, so I shall get back to you on that! 😂 Snap - another regular East to West commuter here - Abbey Wood to Hanwell or Heathrow. I definitely share capitalomnibus concerns about reliability on the Western section. I can see a lot of Abbey Wood trains curtailed to Paddington during times of disruption on the Western section. |
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