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Post by wirewiper on Nov 8, 2022 17:47:16 GMT
Is that possible? Which platform and station was it for the both Shenfield trains to come at once. I know on the Central line, two Ealing Broadway trains can come at once using two different platforms (i.e from Hainault and from Epping) I'm assuming that is at Leytonstone? Yes. It is also possible at other locations, notably Earls Court on the District Line where two Wimbledon trains can arrive simultaneously, as can two trains towards Upminster. And Harrow-on-the-Hill where Baker Street-bound trains from Uxbridge and Watford/Amersham-Chesham can arrive side-by-side at platforms 5 and 6. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 8, 2022 18:16:23 GMT
A new Underground map has been issued, dated November 2022, to coincide with the start of through running on the Elizabeth Line. The layout at Paddington and Liverpool Street has been tidied up somewhat as interchanges between the different sections of Elizabeth Line no longer need to be shown. The limited early morning and late evening services which operate into the main line platforms (and the peak services at Liverpool Street) are not shown on the map, but a red dagger is displayed against the station names as an indication that some services may vary. Other changes: The Central Line is tweaked in the Bethnal Green-Mile End area to accommodate the Stepney Green junction, and Bethnal Green now appears on two lines. Bank/Monument is tidied up; three circles are shown, one for Central/Waterloo & City; one for Northern and DLR; and one for Circle/District; the Northern Line/DLR circle is equidistant between the other two. This reflects the layout of the station more closely, and also the huge improvements that have been made to interchange at this station. The Cable Car terminals are now named IFS Cloud Greenwich Peninsula and IFS Cloud Royal Docks to reflect the new sponsorship. Nunhead (Thameslink) has moved from east of Brockley to west, reflecting geographic reality more closely; Deptford has also shifted slightly further west. Kensington (Olympia) is now shown full-size throughout (on two lines), with the Network Rail symbol appearing underneath. There is also a new artwork for the cover, although IMO it is rather messy. But IMO nothing can ever come close to that superb poster artwork for the 1980s "Tate Gallery by Tube" poster. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/a-new-tube-map-and-cover-art-to-mark-the-elizabeth-line-changes-58636/www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/posters/item/1995-1823 |
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Post by richard on Nov 8, 2022 19:03:03 GMT
A new Underground map has been issued, dated November 2022, to coincide with the start of through running on the Elizabeth Line. The layout at Paddington and Liverpool Street has been tidied up somewhat as interchanges between the different sections of Elizabeth Line no longer need to be shown. The limited early morning and late evening services which operate into the main line platforms (and the peak services at Liverpool Street) are not shown on the map, but a red dagger is displayed against the station names as an indication that some services may vary. Other changes: The Central Line is tweaked in the Bethnal Green-Mile End area to accommodate the Stepney Green junction, and Bethnal Green now appears on two lines. Bank/Monument is tidied up; three circles are shown, one for Central/Waterloo & City; one for Northern and DLR; and one for Circle/District; the Northern Line/DLR circle is equidistant between the other two. This reflects the layout of the station more closely, and also the huge improvements that have been made to interchange at this station. The Cable Car terminals are now named IFS Cloud Greenwich Peninsula and IFS Cloud Royal Docks to reflect the new sponsorship. Nunhead (Thameslink) has moved from east of Brockley to west, reflecting geographic reality more closely; Deptford has also shifted slightly further west. Kensington (Olympia) is now shown full-size throughout (on two lines), with the Network Rail symbol appearing underneath. There is also a new artwork for the cover, although IMO it is rather messy. But IMO nothing can ever come close to that superb poster artwork for the 1980s "Tate Gallery by Tube" poster. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/a-new-tube-map-and-cover-art-to-mark-the-elizabeth-line-changes-58636/www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/posters/item/1995-1823I've seen the new tube map it looks hiddius |
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Post by snowman on Nov 8, 2022 20:06:50 GMT
I'm assuming that is at Leytonstone? Yes. It is also possible at other locations, notably Earls Court on the District Line where two Wimbledon trains can arrive simultaneously, as can two trains towards Upminster. And Harrow-on-the-Hill where Baker Street-bound trains from Uxbridge and Watford/Amersham-Chesham can arrive side-by-side at platforms 5 and 6. And where Piccadilly and District run parallel, from Barons Court to Acton Very occasionally get Piccadilly line trains side by side on Acton-Northfields section too By far most impressive if ever you get to see it, is when 5 trains enter Waterloo (mainline) side by side, used to occasionally happen in morning rush hour, if they got held awaiting platforms, and signalman filled reversible line too. |
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Post by ronnie on Nov 8, 2022 21:36:25 GMT
Yes. It is also possible at other locations, notably Earls Court on the District Line where two Wimbledon trains can arrive simultaneously, as can two trains towards Upminster. And Harrow-on-the-Hill where Baker Street-bound trains from Uxbridge and Watford/Amersham-Chesham can arrive side-by-side at platforms 5 and 6. And where Piccadilly and District run parallel, from Barons Court to Acton Very occasionally get Piccadilly line trains side by side on Acton-Northfields section too By far most impressive if ever you get to see it, is when 5 trains enter Waterloo (mainline) side by side, used to occasionally happen in morning rush hour, if they got held awaiting platforms, and signalman filled reversible line too. Also possible on the dlr between Canary Wharf and west india quay. In fact at times you get 2 trains at WIQ (one heading into Canary Wharf from Stratford, one heading out towards Stratford) and a 3rd one heading towards bank Also possible at Canning Town where you have the grade separated platforms |
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Post by ronnie on Nov 8, 2022 21:36:52 GMT
And where Piccadilly and District run parallel, from Barons Court to Acton Very occasionally get Piccadilly line trains side by side on Acton-Northfields section too By far most impressive if ever you get to see it, is when 5 trains enter Waterloo (mainline) side by side, used to occasionally happen in morning rush hour, if they got held awaiting platforms, and signalman filled reversible line too. Also possible on the dlr between Canary Wharf and west india quay. In fact at times you get 2 trains at WIQ (one heading into Canary Wharf from Stratford, one heading out towards Stratford) and a 3rd one heading towards bank Also possible at Canning Town where you have the grade separated platforms In fact also for jubilee at North Greenwich where some trains also start their westbound journey |
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Post by george on Nov 11, 2022 11:23:09 GMT
Don't suppose anyone knows if all GWR and Greater Anglia drivers on routes that TfL took over Tuped over or some had the choice to stay with the current operators on different routes?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 16, 2022 21:17:24 GMT
Another day another mess on the Elizabeth Line. It's actually surprising how a line that was pretty much run by the book has fallen to pot. I got to the platform at Liverpool Street just for the announcer to say "I don't know what destination will turn up first, once the train arrives the displays on the side will tell us" and this was because the displays kept flipping between an Abbey Wood train and a Shenfield train both coming supposedly at once, followed by a Shenfield train a minute behind and another Shenfield train another minute behind that one.
I wonder what's causing all of these delays, the Abbey Wood-West branch tends to operate fine so whatever the issue is is stemming from the Shenfield line.
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Post by VMH2537 on Nov 16, 2022 22:44:38 GMT
Another day another mess on the Elizabeth Line. It's actually surprising how a line that was pretty much run by the book has fallen to pot. I got to the platform at Liverpool Street just for the announcer to say "I don't know what destination will turn up first, once the train arrives the displays on the side will tell us" and this was because the displays kept flipping between an Abbey Wood train and a Shenfield train both coming supposedly at once, followed by a Shenfield train a minute behind and another Shenfield train another minute behind that one. I wonder what's causing all of these delays, the Abbey Wood-West branch tends to operate fine so whatever the issue is is stemming from the Shenfield line. The line was widely expected to drop in reliability once the branches joined the core. Both the Great Eastern and Western mainlines operate on standard AWS signaling and negotiate with other traffic in particular freight and other mainline services such as C2C in the east and GWR Didcot service on the west. The long-term solution is to digitalize signaling on both lines, though I can't see it happening for a while sadly. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 16, 2022 22:57:50 GMT
Another day another mess on the Elizabeth Line. It's actually surprising how a line that was pretty much run by the book has fallen to pot. I got to the platform at Liverpool Street just for the announcer to say "I don't know what destination will turn up first, once the train arrives the displays on the side will tell us" and this was because the displays kept flipping between an Abbey Wood train and a Shenfield train both coming supposedly at once, followed by a Shenfield train a minute behind and another Shenfield train another minute behind that one. I wonder what's causing all of these delays, the Abbey Wood-West branch tends to operate fine so whatever the issue is is stemming from the Shenfield line. The line was widely expected to drop in reliability once the branches joined the core. Both the Great Eastern and Western mainlines operate on standard AWS signaling and negotiate with other traffic in particular freight and other mainline services such as C2C in the east and GWR Didcot service on the west. The long-term solution is to digitalize signaling on both lines, though I can't see it happening for a while sadly. I think there are plans to upgrade the GWML to ETCS in the pipeline since all stock that runs between Paddington and Reading are either already fitted with ETCS or can be retrofitted with ETCS (387's). It could well happen soon on the GEML too considering it has an all new train fleet running on it once the 321's go. |
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 17, 2022 11:01:55 GMT
Another day another mess on the Elizabeth Line. It's actually surprising how a line that was pretty much run by the book has fallen to pot. I got to the platform at Liverpool Street just for the announcer to say "I don't know what destination will turn up first, once the train arrives the displays on the side will tell us" and this was because the displays kept flipping between an Abbey Wood train and a Shenfield train both coming supposedly at once, followed by a Shenfield train a minute behind and another Shenfield train another minute behind that one. I wonder what's causing all of these delays, the Abbey Wood-West branch tends to operate fine so whatever the issue is is stemming from the Shenfield line. The line was widely expected to drop in reliability once the branches joined the core. Both the Great Eastern and Western mainlines operate on standard AWS signaling and negotiate with other traffic in particular freight and other mainline services such as C2C in the east and GWR Didcot service on the west. The long-term solution is to digitalize signaling on both lines, though I can't see it happening for a while sadly. The c2c only has two scheduled departures from Liverpool Street every evening and even if it doesn't, it was constantly the most reliable train operator in London before Crossrail's core section opened. You're referring to Greater Anglia services disrupting the running of Elizabeth line trains at Liverpool Street. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 17, 2022 15:44:27 GMT
I wonder if the higher ups will eventually make the western side serve all stations. Similar to how they did it for the eastern side. (The shorts to Gidea Park doesn't count).
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Post by VMH2537 on Nov 17, 2022 16:10:32 GMT
I wonder if the higher ups will eventually make the western side serve all stations. Similar to how they did it for the eastern side. (The shorts to Gidea Park doesn't count). This will result in increased journey times for users coming from the Reading services. Something I don't think will be popular. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 17, 2022 17:02:52 GMT
I wonder if the higher ups will eventually make the western side serve all stations. Similar to how they did it for the eastern side. (The shorts to Gidea Park doesn't count). This will result in increased journey times for users coming from the Reading services. Something I don't think will be popular. Good point but we never know. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 17, 2022 20:14:42 GMT
If reliability ever does become a serious issue could the line be split? is there any scope for example leaving the Shenfield terminating at Paddington? or reverting the Abbey Wood line back to Paddington or just to Heathrow?
Not really up on the railway side of things but is there a need for end to end trains from Reading to Shenfield? I Can't imagine many end to end journeys anywhere on the Elizabeth Line.
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