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Post by ibus246 on Nov 17, 2022 22:49:51 GMT
If reliability ever does become a serious issue could the line be split? is there any scope for example leaving the Shenfield terminating at Paddington? or reverting the Abbey Wood line back to Paddington or just to Heathrow? Not really up on the railway side of things but is there a need for end to end trains from Reading to Shenfield? I Can't imagine many end to end journeys anywhere on the Elizabeth Line. The same could be said for Thameslink. Obviously not many would travel from Horsham to Peterborough, however itβs the local links of one big line which have the advantage
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 18, 2022 0:26:43 GMT
I wonder if the higher ups will eventually make the western side serve all stations. Similar to how they did it for the eastern side. (The shorts to Gidea Park doesn't count). This will result in increased journey times for users coming from the Reading services. Something I don't think will be popular. It was never popular with the Shenfield end users but they still did it getting rid of the fast trains around 3 years ago.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 18, 2022 0:28:35 GMT
If reliability ever does become a serious issue could the line be split? is there any scope for example leaving the Shenfield terminating at Paddington? or reverting the Abbey Wood line back to Paddington or just to Heathrow? Not really up on the railway side of things but is there a need for end to end trains from Reading to Shenfield? I Can't imagine many end to end journeys anywhere on the Elizabeth Line. Well on the Central Line, you have trains that stop at every stop from Epping to West Ruislip... I guess the Metropolitan line is the only true Underground line that skips stops with fast trains.
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Post by richard on Nov 18, 2022 1:36:07 GMT
If reliability ever does become a serious issue could the line be split? is there any scope for example leaving the Shenfield terminating at Paddington? or reverting the Abbey Wood line back to Paddington or just to Heathrow? Not really up on the railway side of things but is there a need for end to end trains from Reading to Shenfield? I Can't imagine many end to end journeys anywhere on the Elizabeth Line. Well on the Central Line, you have trains that stop at every stop from Epping to West Ruislip... I guess the Metropolitan line is the only true Underground line that skips stops with fast trains. Not forgetting the Piccadilly Hammersmith to Acton Town
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 18, 2022 7:59:42 GMT
If reliability ever does become a serious issue could the line be split? is there any scope for example leaving the Shenfield terminating at Paddington? or reverting the Abbey Wood line back to Paddington or just to Heathrow? Not really up on the railway side of things but is there a need for end to end trains from Reading to Shenfield? I Can't imagine many end to end journeys anywhere on the Elizabeth Line. I always assumed the line would run Heathrow to Shenfield and Abbey Wood to Reading , in a similar fashion to the Central Line effectively running two lines which overlap in the Central section ? But I think they should also have some semi fast journeys from the East End in the peaks I think the previous set up worked quite well but the metro frequency has seemed to be ok . As for the delays and destination board issues for us enthusiasts I would say use Real time trains or Traksy as this gives you a map with train details , as for the normal civilian is looking at the indicator on the side of the train such a big issue ? , whilst this is a pain in the harse there are still District Line stations which don't even have a destination indicator in 2022 and you have to guess what time the train is coming and where it's going π so Lizzie line issues aren't really too bad considering , there will always be minor issues due to the complexity of the line a delayed train from Swansea can now have a knock on effect in Harold Wood .
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 18, 2022 9:16:17 GMT
. . . there are still District Line stations which don't even have a destination indicator in 2022 and you have to guess what time the train is coming and where it's going π which stations are those?
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 18, 2022 10:08:06 GMT
. . . there are still District Line stations which don't even have a destination indicator in 2022 and you have to guess what time the train is coming and where it's going π which stations are those? Upmimster Bridge , Barking Platform 3 and the one at Mile End for westbound hasn't worked for a good while and is always showing incorrect information...
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 18, 2022 11:47:29 GMT
If reliability ever does become a serious issue could the line be split? is there any scope for example leaving the Shenfield terminating at Paddington? or reverting the Abbey Wood line back to Paddington or just to Heathrow? Not really up on the railway side of things but is there a need for end to end trains from Reading to Shenfield? I Can't imagine many end to end journeys anywhere on the Elizabeth Line. I always assumed the line would run Heathrow to Shenfield and Abbey Wood to Reading , in a similar fashion to the Central Line effectively running two lines which overlap in the Central section ? But I think they should also have some semi fast journeys from the East End in the peaks I think the previous set up worked quite well but the metro frequency has seemed to be ok . As for the delays and destination board issues for us enthusiasts I would say use Real time trains or Traksy as this gives you a map with train details , as for the normal civilian is looking at the indicator on the side of the train such a big issue ? , whilst this is a pain in the harse there are still District Line stations which don't even have a destination indicator in 2022 and you have to guess what time the train is coming and where it's going π so Lizzie line issues aren't really too bad considering , there will always be minor issues due to the complexity of the line a delayed train from Swansea can now have a knock on effect in Harold Wood . But the Central line does not run two lines, unless things have changed. I definitely remember both Ealing Broadway and West Ruislip been shown from trains leaving Epping.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 18, 2022 11:57:59 GMT
I always assumed the line would run Heathrow to Shenfield and Abbey Wood to Reading , in a similar fashion to the Central Line effectively running two lines which overlap in the Central section ? But I think they should also have some semi fast journeys from the East End in the peaks I think the previous set up worked quite well but the metro frequency has seemed to be ok . As for the delays and destination board issues for us enthusiasts I would say use Real time trains or Traksy as this gives you a map with train details , as for the normal civilian is looking at the indicator on the side of the train such a big issue ? , whilst this is a pain in the harse there are still District Line stations which don't even have a destination indicator in 2022 and you have to guess what time the train is coming and where it's going π so Lizzie line issues aren't really too bad considering , there will always be minor issues due to the complexity of the line a delayed train from Swansea can now have a knock on effect in Harold Wood . But the Central line does not run two lines, unless things have changed. I definitely remember both Ealing Broadway and West Ruislip been shown from trains leaving Epping. As far as I'm aware it's generally Epping to West Ruislip with a few exceptions.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 18, 2022 12:32:34 GMT
Upmimster Bridge , Barking Platform 3 and the one at Mile End for westbound hasn't worked for a good while and is always showing incorrect information... Upminster Bridge has working describers on each platform. The Mile End issue should get solved when CBTC is extended to Becontree 15 January 2023.
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 18, 2022 12:37:50 GMT
But the Central line does not run two lines, unless things have changed. I definitely remember both Ealing Broadway and West Ruislip been shown from trains leaving Epping. Itβs generally West Ruislip-Epping and Ealing Broadway-Hainault but there are a few exceptions in the peaks and late night where they serve the other branch
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Post by northlondon83 on Nov 18, 2022 22:41:14 GMT
But the Central line does not run two lines, unless things have changed. I definitely remember both Ealing Broadway and West Ruislip been shown from trains leaving Epping. As far as I'm aware it's generally Epping to West Ruislip with a few exceptions. Usually peak hours when an Epping train goes to Ealing Broadway and Hainault to West Ruislip
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Post by londoner7104 on Nov 19, 2022 0:46:31 GMT
which stations are those? Upmimster Bridge , Barking Platform 3 and the one at Mile End for westbound hasn't worked for a good while and is always showing incorrect information... I would say Stepney Green as well. The displays, at least on the westbound platform just says westbound District and Hammersmith and city line.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 19, 2022 10:42:57 GMT
Darn these upcoming strikes. *sighs* looks like I may need to do the journey the following week. Strikes have been suspended for now. Slightly sore point about the strikes. A combination of engineering works on my chosen date of October 29th and the fear of strikes meant I had to ride it on an ordinary day in August instead of an exciting day of choice in October. Closing it for engineering for a good opening of a broader service on November 6th was also really short-sighted, as there were strike timetables on at that point! OK, the powers that be were not to know that there would be a strike timetable then, but it still meant that it would have been preferable had they shifted the exercise even just a week earlier or later.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 19, 2022 12:49:23 GMT
Strikes have been suspended for now. Slightly sore point about the strikes. A combination of engineering works on my chosen date of October 29th and the fear of strikes meant I had to ride it on an ordinary day in August instead of an exciting day of choice in October. Closing it for engineering for a good opening of a broader service on November 6th was also really short-sighted, as there were strike timetables on at that point! OK, the powers that be were not to know that there would be a strike timetable then, but it still meant that it would have been preferable had they shifted the exercise even just a week earlier or later. Surely it would come to a point that the staff would be worse off if more strikes continue. As they do not get full pay from the Union and then even with a pay rise, you would probably in effect be on the same pay of previous year or lower due to the few days of striking, which could take 2 plus years to recover. Surely the Unions should be re-negotiating the loss.
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