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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:56:54 GMT
This line is in a dire state. Gaps of up to ten mins during the day frequently occur. It tries to perform too many functions, with effectively three branches. Why they go to Uxbridge off peak I have no idea. They never used to. I’m sure more trains used to run to Heathrow as well.
As for strike action. I wonder if the management relish an opportunity to use events like this to add to their CV. Taking tough management action is seen as good management where I work, but it backfires because morale falls away and performance drops like a stone. I’m more an advocate of negotiating and compromise. At the end of the day spending most of your working day in a tunnel is not pleasant and can’t be very healthy.
TfL should tell passengers what routes these extra buses will be deployed to. Appreciate it will probably be hap hazard but no harm in sharing the plan with the customers.
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Post by sid on Sept 26, 2018 9:00:14 GMT
It's also worth bearing in mind that many people are going to have difficulty getting to their paid job because of this industrial action, a bit more respect for them might not go amiss? The newspapers that you mentioned are surely just reflecting public opinion? Respect all round Sid. At the moment I have seen very little evidence of this.
It is said papers that gives the public their opinion. Just think, what would Diana do?
I wonder how many people even read newspapers nowadays? I seldom do with up to the minute news readily available online and similar demands for driverless trains have been expressed on social media.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:10:02 GMT
Respect all round Sid. At the moment I have seen very little evidence of this.
It is said papers that gives the public their opinion. Just think, what would Diana do?
I wonder how many people even read newspapers nowadays? I seldom do with up to the minute news readily available online and similar demands for driverless trains have been expressed on social media. But people still want the staff on the trains. That caveat is rarely mentioned.
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Post by sid on Sept 26, 2018 9:10:47 GMT
This line is in a dire state. Gaps of up to ten mins during the day frequently occur. It tries to perform too many functions, with effectively three branches. Why they go to Uxbridge off peak I have no idea. They never used to. I’m sure more trains used to run to Heathrow as well. As for strike action. I wonder if the management relish an opportunity to use events like this to add to their CV. Taking tough management action is seen as good management where I work, but it backfires because morale falls away and performance drops like a stone. I’m more an advocate of negotiating and compromise. At the end of the day spending most of your working day in a tunnel is not pleasant and can’t be very healthy. TfL should tell passengers what routes these extra buses will be deployed to. Appreciate it will probably be hap hazard but no harm in sharing the plan with the customers. I get the impression that the off peak service to Uxbridge is more for operational convenience than anything else? It might be better to run the full service to Heathrow and extend the District Line to Rayners Lane but this would obviously mean a reduction on other branches of the District. I suspect TfL are still trying to source extra buses and they probably don't want to give too much away for fear of these extra buses being swamped with enthusiasts out on a jolly?
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Post by sid on Sept 26, 2018 9:14:28 GMT
I wonder how many people even read newspapers nowadays? I seldom do with up to the minute news readily available online and similar demands for driverless trains have been expressed on social media. But people still want the staff on the trains. That caveat is rarely mentioned.
The same arguments were made about keeping guards on the tube but as we know they've been consigned to history and I think drivers are fully aware that their jobs will be going the same way in due course, it's a question of when rather than if.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:14:57 GMT
This line is in a dire state. Gaps of up to ten mins during the day frequently occur. It tries to perform too many functions, with effectively three branches. Why they go to Uxbridge off peak I have no idea. They never used to. I’m sure more trains used to run to Heathrow as well. As for strike action. I wonder if the management relish an opportunity to use events like this to add to their CV. Taking tough management action is seen as good management where I work, but it backfires because morale falls away and performance drops like a stone. I’m more an advocate of negotiating and compromise. At the end of the day spending most of your working day in a tunnel is not pleasant and can’t be very healthy. TfL should tell passengers what routes these extra buses will be deployed to. Appreciate it will probably be hap hazard but no harm in sharing the plan with the customers. I get the impression that the off peak service to Uxbridge is more for operational convenience than anything else? It might be better to run the full service to Heathrow and extend the District Line to Rayners Lane but this would obviously mean a reduction on other branches of the District. I suspect TfL are still trying to source extra buses and they probably don't want to give too much away for fear of these extra buses being swamped with enthusiasts out on a jolly? I’ll be one of those enthusiasts ! Isn’t there a plan to put the PL into Ealing Broadway ? This could make things better and put more trains into core route. If so, send the DL up to Rayners Lane / Ruislip.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:16:16 GMT
Going OT here, one wonders how strike extras will be able to take place from 2019 & 2020 when the ULEZ and LEBZs begin ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:19:54 GMT
I get the impression that the off peak service to Uxbridge is more for operational convenience than anything else? It might be better to run the full service to Heathrow and extend the District Line to Rayners Lane but this would obviously mean a reduction on other branches of the District. I suspect TfL are still trying to source extra buses and they probably don't want to give too much away for fear of these extra buses being swamped with enthusiasts out on a jolly? I’ll be one of those enthusiasts ! Isn’t there a plan to put the PL into Ealing Broadway ? This could make things better and put more trains into core route. If so, send the DL up to Rayners Lane / Ruislip. The long standing plan once the District and Picc upgrades have taken place is to pull the District from EB and run more frequently to Richmond and Wimbledon, with the Picc taking over from Chiswick Park. I'm still curious to see how that would work.
In regards to sending the District up, that probably would make better sense, however I am of the view that there are a few gauging issues, which meant the instalment of the plunger signal at Hanger Lane Junction.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 26, 2018 9:42:05 GMT
Going OT here, one wonders how strike extras will be able to take place from 2019 & 2020 when the ULEZ and LEBZs begin ... Is it TfL that enforces the fines for non-compliant vehicles? If so perhaps they'd be some sort of negotiation/dispensation for the duration?
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Post by M1104 on Sept 26, 2018 9:45:04 GMT
Route 121 extras on standby for the session, photo credit to Paul Dickson
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 10:02:59 GMT
Going OT here, one wonders how strike extras will be able to take place from 2019 & 2020 when the ULEZ and LEBZs begin ... Is it TfL that enforces the fines for a non-compliant vehicle? If so perhaps they'd be some sort of negotiation/dispensation for the duration? You have to get exemptions at the moment by registering a vehicle's license plate with TfL over a week beforehand, and that gives you a whole day exemption. But that would require a lot of pre-planning and though, plus the time to then register every post 1973 built vehicle.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 26, 2018 10:29:34 GMT
Some people's attitudes on this thread ARE frankly embarrassing, and all stems down to a lack of education and prior thought. I wonder how many people on here are also readers of sensationalist newspapers like the Daily Mail, The Express and Evening Standard ... Just for the record, I read none of the above. I'm just merely of the view that they're paid too much and I did try to be as respectful as possible when making my original opinion as I knew it could upset someone. I don't agree with the sacking argument personally but rightly or wrongly, I can understand why it was suggested by some. As I said before apologies if my opinion causes upset. It would of been great if @metroman could maybe give us an insight into what happens with negotiations or what's the flavour of discussions when the topic is about strikes rather than branding people with opposite opinions and the public as not using logic. Maybe then, people might sway or maybe not - sadly, I suspect that's now too late.
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Post by snowman on Sept 26, 2018 10:45:13 GMT
Is it TfL that enforces the fines for a non-compliant vehicle? If so perhaps they'd be some sort of negotiation/dispensation for the duration? You have to get exemptions at the moment by registering a vehicle's license plate with TfL over a week beforehand, and that gives you a whole day exemption. But that would require a lot of pre-planning and though, plus the time to then register every post 1973 built vehicle.
If you read the open consultation on amending LSPs then TfL make it clear that there will be absolutely no permission for any non-compliant bus, paying daily fines will NOT be permitted. Along with the wording in the ULEZ expansion consultation, effectively bans any Operator from running a service on any route (or replacement service such as rail replacement) within the ULEZ without a euroVI or zero emission bus. I can't see how they could then offer a dispensation, having made these proposals, and taking them to enforceable legal status
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 26, 2018 11:00:43 GMT
TfL should tell passengers what routes these extra buses will be deployed to. Appreciate it will probably be hap hazard but no harm in sharing the plan with the customers. I can personally confirm there will be at least one extra on route 490 in the PM peak today
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 11:27:51 GMT
TfL should tell passengers what routes these extra buses will be deployed to. Appreciate it will probably be hap hazard but no harm in sharing the plan with the customers. I can personally confirm there will be at least one extra on route 490 in the PM peak today Good to hear! Last time there were some extra 285's as well Heathrow to Feltham.
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