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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Nov 7, 2018 0:16:23 GMT
So we all know of routes that are mainly SD but have DD workings but are there any that are the opposite and are mainly DD but have SD workings? PA did not seem to have enough buses to run the 90 fully DD for a long time arghhh!! Checked recently though and that seems to have calmed down now. New popular victim is the 173, duh. Oh gosh and U5, E1 and E9. The first being silly common. And one 427 once happened too, c'mon Abellio west!! Old 350 had it happen often as well but was at least blinded… Epsom think it's okay to run an SDE on 406/418 in the rush hour sometimes. Yesterday a DXE did the 406 to spice thigs up. 467 often sees singles but apart from the school run those do fine, actually. Back when I did All The Buses, the first 467 of the day was an OV  Let's bring up the unforgettable 26 singles as well. Ceased now. Yet 388 never happened! Odd SDs used to happen on all GR DDs - 258, 340 and 142 were all hit! 127 had quite a streak earlier this year bit it does appear to have been resolved. 405 and 119 I know did happen in the past. U4 rarely can see a single-deck do it. 282 used to but not happened in years. 92 had an odd one now that I'm on G. 245 stopped when it moved out of ON. Having left W I don't think DE 32 will be a thing anymore especially that the EW garage does not have any singles! MB did do a lot of singles on 161 ever since it was announced to go, and I also grabbed an OmniTown on the 320 and 353 261 I heard also saw a bunch of singles when announced to go xD At TB you can end up with a single-decker 61 now that I'm here. GY stopped doing it but like 2-3 years back 66 and especially 370 had quite a bit of those. 372 could also see an E200. Yep DT were big sinners, behaved ever since winning 229 but now that they got more routes, old habits returned and so 160 + 229 had quite a bit of sheds show up  401 only had the school peak bus show up as SD so far… 492 can happen but is not as common as I'd like to lol. Wonder if 301 will happen? EDIT: 269 joins the club at DT... But saw E200s at TB before a long while ago |
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Post by busoccultation on Nov 7, 2018 9:12:20 GMT
New popular victim is the 173, duh. Yep DT were big sinners, behaved ever since winning 229 but now that they got more routes, old habits returned and so 160 + 229 had quite a bit of sheds show up 401 only had the school peak bus show up as SD so far… 492 can happen but is not as common as I'd like to lol. Wonder if 301 will happen? Ever since DX got extra DD's in their fleet in the past month or so, the ENL workings on the 173 has been reduced dramatically.
As for DT, well they usually have a shortage of DD's for most of the year so far and 8 DW's off the road at the moment doesn't help either.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 7, 2018 14:29:47 GMT
New popular victim is the 173, duh. Yep DT were big sinners, behaved ever since winning 229 but now that they got more routes, old habits returned and so 160 + 229 had quite a bit of sheds show up 401 only had the school peak bus show up as SD so far… 492 can happen but is not as common as I'd like to lol. Wonder if 301 will happen? Ever since DX got extra DD's in their fleet in the past month or so, the ENL workings on the 173 has been reduced dramatically.
As for DT, well they usually have a shortage of DD's for most of the year so far and 8 DW's off the road at the moment doesn't help either.
They've reduced, but I wouldn't say dramatically. The other day there were 3 ENLs out on the route, they're just harder to notice as they don't seem to appear on rare That said I'd much rather them on the 173 than the 150, 128 or 368. The 173 only has a few isolated journeys which warrant deckers, mostly during school time. |
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 10, 2018 19:02:55 GMT
Ever since DX got extra DD's in their fleet in the past month or so, the ENL workings on the 173 has been reduced dramatically.
As for DT, well they usually have a shortage of DD's for most of the year so far and 8 DW's off the road at the moment doesn't help either.
They've reduced, but I wouldn't say dramatically. The other day there were 3 ENLs out on the route, they're just harder to notice as they don't seem to appear on rare That said I'd much rather them on the 173 than the 150, 128 or 368. The 173 only has a few isolated journeys which warrant deckers, mostly during school time. The problem I had in 2016 when the 62, 173 and 368 were announced to be decked was that bar the school extras on the 62, their timetable frequencies would remain the same. I'd always felt it was a bit superfluous in capacity to not reduce bph; that has been the case with the 368 dropping to every 11 minutes as a reliability measure (due to the constant bunching) and the 173 is soon to follow suit next week. Trouble is these routes see isolated 'crush journeys' but the timetables do not cater nor reflect that. Yes it's nice to have the extra seats upstairs but these Thatched House routes could all go to 5bph outside the peaks and it won't be greatly noticed or felt by the general public. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 10, 2018 19:37:21 GMT
They've reduced, but I wouldn't say dramatically. The other day there were 3 ENLs out on the route, they're just harder to notice as they don't seem to appear on rare That said I'd much rather them on the 173 than the 150, 128 or 368. The 173 only has a few isolated journeys which warrant deckers, mostly during school time. The problem I had in 2016 when the 62, 173 and 368 were announced to be decked was that bar the school extras on the 62, their timetable frequencies would remain the same. I'd always felt it was a bit superfluous in capacity to not reduce bph; that has been the case with the 368 dropping to every 11 minutes as a reliability measure (due to the constant bunching) and the 173 is soon to follow suit next week. Trouble is these routes see isolated 'crush journeys' but the timetables do not cater nor reflect that. Yes it's nice to have the extra seats upstairs but these Thatched House routes could all go to 5bph outside the peaks and it won't be greatly noticed or felt by the general public. The 368 was quite a substantial improvement as it went from a PVR 7 Single deck route to a PVR 10 Double decker route. Despite this did seem a massive overkill at the time of award the operation of the route was utterly disgraceful under Go Ahead, buses frequently didn't turn up at all in the morning. There was once a time when I was waiting for a 368 at King Edwards Road, the bus turned up Not in service in the distance and I ran onto a 287 which was already at the stop to pick up the 62 at the cemetery, the 368 then proceeded to enter service on the flyover on Ripple Road  Luckily I managed to get it. Fittingly Go Ahead completely wrecked the service on the route on their last day. When Arriva took on the route with the increased PVR, Double Deckers and infinitely better service there was certainly a noticeable increase in usage on the route with even the double deckers leaving people behind on their 10 minute frequency during the evening rush. The 62 has a similar story, during the evening rush in Chadwell Heath especially buses constantly leave loaded which seems to justify the current frequency. Hopefully that's why TfL haven't come around snipping that route's frequency yet. The 173 seems a bit different in that only a couple of journeys in the rush are fully loaded. |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 7, 2019 7:49:03 GMT
I know that each of the following routes: 80, 152, 163, 164, 190, 203, 246, 298, 355, 371, 423, A10, D6, U1, U3, H98 all see a mixed allocation of single and double deckers. I would like to do all these routes end to end but with a double decker. So my question is how often do each of the enlisted routes see double deckers?
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Post by lonmark on Jul 7, 2019 7:57:12 GMT
I can't say for other routes but I do know Route 126 and R9 do get Double-deck buses running on it all because of the shortage of single deck buses like MOT to fail or crash and need get off the road for while etc.
TfL does sometimes accept it for double-deck buses to run on single deck buses of routes than otherwise it will be lost mileages!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 7, 2019 8:01:01 GMT
I wouldn't say I saw that many DDs on the 355. The 80 thou for sure has roughly atleast 1 a day if not 2 due to being the only SD route at A now.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 7, 2019 8:11:32 GMT
I can't say for other routes but I do know Route 126 and R9 do get Double-deck buses running on it all because of the shortage of single deck buses like MOT to fail or crash and need get off the road for while etc. TfL does sometimes accept it for double-deck buses to run on single deck buses of routes than otherwise it will be lost mileages! How often do DDs make it out on to both routes? |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jul 7, 2019 8:23:02 GMT
I can't say for other routes but I do know Route 126 and R9 do get Double-deck buses running on it all because of the shortage of single deck buses like MOT to fail or crash and need get off the road for while etc. TfL does sometimes accept it for double-deck buses to run on single deck buses of routes than otherwise it will be lost mileages! How often do DDs make it out on to both routes? R9 it's almost daily 126 at least once a week lately? Those are all fairly common. Btw, in case people wondered, there was already a very similar thread in the past so I thought it would be helpful to merge the two  EDIT: Now my estimates are as follows: 80 - at least once a week; 152 - at least once a month, but really random; 163 - always something on weekdays because it has a scheduled SDO decker, but often more than that is out; 164 - AL rarely bother, but when A 50% runs it on sundays, they always throw DOEs out; 190 - at least once a week; 203 - few times a week; 246 - sadly this one took a break and there's not been any DDs since early in the contract back in Sept 2015. It requires another route test to be re-cleared, but the councils relevant are lousy with branch trimming and every time the tests are carried out it marginally fails. Ugh I want deckers on this too! 298 - at least once a month or more; 355 - lately been at least once a week, depends how the WSs are behaving - few times a month is a safer bet; 371 - again has a scheduled DD SDO run - so on weekdays there's usually more than one SP; 423 - random lately but at least once a month I'd say; A10 - bit better odds lately, at least one a month if not more; D6 - from what I've seen, at least once a week; there are some spare Cities off 388 cutback as well; U1 - another increase lately, few times a month atm; U3 - daily as of late; H98 - was almost daily a while back now, few times a week it ought to be; |
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 7, 2019 8:50:28 GMT
So we all know of routes that are mainly SD but have DD workings but are there any that are the opposite and are mainly DD but have SD workings? PA did not seem to have enough buses to run the 90 fully DD for a long time arghhh!! Checked recently though and that seems to have calmed down now. New popular victim is the 173, duh. Oh gosh and U5, E1 and E9. The first being silly common. And one 427 once happened too, c'mon Abellio west!! Old 350 had it happen often as well but was at least blinded… Epsom think it's okay to run an SDE on 406/418 in the rush hour sometimes. Yesterday a DXE did the 406 to spice thigs up. 467 often sees singles but apart from the school run those do fine, actually. Back when I did All The Buses, the first 467 of the day was an OV ☺️ Let's bring up the unforgettable 26 singles as well. Ceased now. Yet 388 never happened! Odd SDs used to happen on all GR DDs - 258, 340 and 142 were all hit! 127 had quite a streak earlier this year bit it does appear to have been resolved. 405 and 119 I know did happen in the past. U4 rarely can see a single-deck do it. 282 used to but not happened in years. 92 had an odd one now that I'm on G. 245 stopped when it moved out of ON. Having left W I don't think DE 32 will be a thing anymore especially that the EW garage does not have any singles! MB did do a lot of singles on 161 ever since it was announced to go, and I also grabbed an OmniTown on the 320 and 353 ☺️ 261 I heard also saw a bunch of singles when announced to go xD At TB you can end up with a single-decker 61 now that I'm here. GY stopped doing it but like 2-3 years back 66 and especially 370 had quite a bit of those. 372 could also see an E200. Yep DT were big sinners, behaved ever since winning 229 but now that they got more routes, old habits returned and so 160 + 229 had quite a bit of sheds show up 😛 401 only had the school peak bus show up as SD so far… 492 can happen but is not as common as I'd like to lol. Wonder if 301 will happen? 😛 EDIT: 269 joins the club at DT... But saw E200s at TB before a long while ago The 492 is less likely because there are no peak buses except for DT 7 which usually uses the 401 school bus. 160 has 3 Peak buses so its not uncommon for a double decker to be nicked. In addition what doesn’t help is when all the spare double deckers get put on the 428 then you see a Single Decker drive past a double decker on the 229. Over the last few weeks there have been enough double deckers, but at least 3-4 on the 428. Hopefully soon they won’t have any need to put a SD on a DD route. 301 probably not as they don’t have blinds only the transferred buses have 301 blinds and a select few from the current allocation from 99, 269 & 401. DW441, 442, 449, 450, 455 & 532 the ones I have seen with new sets fitted. As far as I’m aware no Ts have 301 blinds. 301 only has 1 peak bus DT 230. |
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Post by george on Jul 7, 2019 9:02:11 GMT
How often do DDs make it out on to both routes? R9 it's almost daily 126 at least once a week lately? Those are all fairly common. Btw, in case people wondered, there was already a very similar thread in the past so I thought it would be helpful to merge the two EDIT: Now my estimates are as follows: 80 - at least once a week; 152 - at least once a month, but really random; 163 - always something on weekdays because it has a scheduled SDO decker, but often more than that is out; 164 - AL rarely bother, but when A 50% runs it on sundays, they always throw DOEs out; 190 - at least once a week; 203 - few times a week; 246 - sadly this one took a break and there's not been any DDs since early in the contract back in Sept 2015. It requires another route test to be re-cleared, but the councils relevant are lousy with branch trimming and every time the tests are carried out it marginally fails. Ugh I want deckers on this too! 298 - at least once a month or more; 355 - lately been at least once a week, depends how the WSs are behaving - few times a month is a safer bet; 371 - again has a scheduled DD SDO run - so on weekdays there's usually more than one SP; 423 - random lately but at least once a month I'd say; A10 - bit better odds lately, at least one a month if not more; D6 - from what I've seen, at least once a week; there are some spare Cities off 388 cutback as well; U1 - another increase lately, few times a month atm; U3 - daily as of late; H98 - was almost daily a while back now, few times a week it ought to be; I would say the 190 is more than once a week now. |
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Post by WSD3 on Jul 7, 2019 9:19:57 GMT
How often do DDs make it out on to both routes? R9 it's almost daily 126 at least once a week lately? Those are all fairly common. Btw, in case people wondered, there was already a very similar thread in the past so I thought it would be helpful to merge the two EDIT: Now my estimates are as follows: 80 - at least once a week; 152 - at least once a month, but really random; 163 - always something on weekdays because it has a scheduled SDO decker, but often more than that is out; 164 - AL rarely bother, but when A 50% runs it on sundays, they always throw DOEs out; 190 - at least once a week; 203 - few times a week; 246 - sadly this one took a break and there's not been any DDs since early in the contract back in Sept 2015. It requires another route test to be re-cleared, but the councils relevant are lousy with branch trimming and every time the tests are carried out it marginally fails. Ugh I want deckers on this too! 298 - at least once a month or more; 355 - lately been at least once a week, depends how the WSs are behaving - few times a month is a safer bet; 371 - again has a scheduled DD SDO run - so on weekdays there's usually more than one SP; 423 - random lately but at least once a month I'd say; A10 - bit better odds lately, at least one a month if not more; D6 - from what I've seen, at least once a week; there are some spare Cities off 388 cutback as well; U1 - another increase lately, few times a month atm; U3 - daily as of late; H98 - was almost daily a while back now, few times a week it ought to be; also the 396 has Double decker nearly every day |
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Post by george on Jul 7, 2019 9:29:37 GMT
I know that each of the following routes: 80, 152, 163, 164, 190, 203, 246, 298, 355, 371, 423, A10, D6, U1, U3, H98 all see a mixed allocation of single and double deckers. I would like to do all these routes end to end but with a double decker. So my question is how often do each of the enlisted routes see double deckers? 371 is great to do on a double Decker lots of narrow roads and tight turns. |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 7, 2019 9:36:35 GMT
R9 it's almost daily 126 at least once a week lately? Those are all fairly common. Btw, in case people wondered, there was already a very similar thread in the past so I thought it would be helpful to merge the two EDIT: Now my estimates are as follows: 80 - at least once a week; 152 - at least once a month, but really random; 163 - always something on weekdays because it has a scheduled SDO decker, but often more than that is out; 164 - AL rarely bother, but when A 50% runs it on sundays, they always throw DOEs out; 190 - at least once a week; 203 - few times a week; 246 - sadly this one took a break and there's not been any DDs since early in the contract back in Sept 2015. It requires another route test to be re-cleared, but the councils relevant are lousy with branch trimming and every time the tests are carried out it marginally fails. Ugh I want deckers on this too! 298 - at least once a month or more; 355 - lately been at least once a week, depends how the WSs are behaving - few times a month is a safer bet; 371 - again has a scheduled DD SDO run - so on weekdays there's usually more than one SP; 423 - random lately but at least once a month I'd say; A10 - bit better odds lately, at least one a month if not more; D6 - from what I've seen, at least once a week; there are some spare Cities off 388 cutback as well; U1 - another increase lately, few times a month atm; U3 - daily as of late; H98 - was almost daily a while back now, few times a week it ought to be; I would say the 190 is more than once a week now. Whenever I check LVF for the 190 nine times out of ten a VW is out on the route. There's one out today for instance |
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401 only had the school peak bus show up as SD so far… 492 can happen but is not as common as I'd like to lol.
Luckily I managed to get it. Fittingly Go Ahead completely 
