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Post by SILENCED on Nov 19, 2021 14:06:36 GMT
Don't disagree, but when you change any project that covers a large part of the country, those you disappoint will be both on your side and the other. If we had not had COVID would this decision have been taken. Maybe, maybe not, but it is a side affect that could be attributed to COVID and the economical lockdown. People were very quick to say you need to pay for this, support this sector, but the reality is unlike some think, governments do not print money for free ... the truth is COVID will be affecting British lives economically for probably the next 20-40 years ... and that will be whether Labour, Conservatives or hopefully some new political group comes to power. A lot of the criticism though comes from the discrepancy between rail spending in London compared to the rest of the country. The North received £349 per person in transport spending in the previous decade, against London's £864 per person. Had the North received the same level of funding it would have had an extra £86billion. Governments need to invest, to create good infrastructure that supports the nation's economy and produces secure, well-paid employment which returns money to the Government in increased income tax revenue. We can't just keep turning the taps off every time there is an economic wobble. Don't disagree, but also don't want us to become an international financial basketcase like Greece. It is all about finding the right balance. Ideally you would want the well paid jobs to be in areas that bring money into the country, no necessarily ones you are funding internally, but yes there is a balance to be founds, and probably needs correcting in certain sectors. Think rail has suffered big time because of COVID, and as now the government is taking the financial risk on fares, there is no incentive for TOCs to attract customers back, and DfT seem to be doing little, which is apparent to to the lack of cheap tickets offered. The current system is broken and the rail system will be self-destructive if it continues on its current path. Don't know the answer to solving it's problems, but certainly needs some drastic reform. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 19, 2021 14:12:53 GMT
Don't disagree, but when you change any project that covers a large part of the country, those you disappoint will be both on your side and the other. If we had not had COVID would this decision have been taken. Maybe, maybe not, but it is a side affect that could be attributed to COVID and the economical lockdown. People were very quick to say you need to pay for this, support this sector, but the reality is unlike some think, governments do not print money for free ... the truth is COVID will be affecting British lives economically for probably the next 20-40 years ... and that will be whether Labour, Conservatives or hopefully some new political group comes to power. A lot of the criticism though comes from the discrepancy between rail spending in London compared to the rest of the country. The North received £349 per person in transport spending in the previous decade, against London's £864 per person. Had the North received the same level of funding it would have had an extra £86billion. Governments need to invest, to create good infrastructure that supports the nation's economy and produces secure, well-paid employment which returns money to the Government in increased income tax revenue. We can't just keep turning the taps off every time there is an economic wobble. Although, this has also led to anti London & south sentiment which is hardly warranted when most normal people wouldn’t begrudge the north front getting better transport links too. The usual lines of everyone is rich in the south and so forth fuelling this stupid north vs south divide |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 19, 2021 15:33:35 GMT
A lot of the criticism though comes from the discrepancy between rail spending in London compared to the rest of the country. The North received £349 per person in transport spending in the previous decade, against London's £864 per person. Had the North received the same level of funding it would have had an extra £86billion. Governments need to invest, to create good infrastructure that supports the nation's economy and produces secure, well-paid employment which returns money to the Government in increased income tax revenue. We can't just keep turning the taps off every time there is an economic wobble. Don't disagree, but also don't want us to become an international financial basketcase like Greece. It is all about finding the right balance. Ideally you would want the well paid jobs to be in areas that bring money into the country, no necessarily ones you are funding internally, but yes there is a balance to be founds, and probably needs correcting in certain sectors. Think rail has suffered big time because of COVID, and as now the government is taking the financial risk on fares, there is no incentive for TOCs to attract customers back, and DfT seem to be doing little, which is apparent to to the lack of cheap tickets offered. The current system is broken and the rail system will be self-destructive if it continues on its current path. Don't know the answer to solving it's problems, but certainly needs some drastic reform. The UK taxman is far better at collecting taxes than their Greek counterparts so I wouldn’t worry in that respect. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 19, 2021 18:46:23 GMT
A lot of the criticism though comes from the discrepancy between rail spending in London compared to the rest of the country. The North received £349 per person in transport spending in the previous decade, against London's £864 per person. Had the North received the same level of funding it would have had an extra £86billion. Governments need to invest, to create good infrastructure that supports the nation's economy and produces secure, well-paid employment which returns money to the Government in increased income tax revenue. We can't just keep turning the taps off every time there is an economic wobble. Although, this has also led to anti London & south sentiment which is hardly warranted when most normal people wouldn’t begrudge the north front getting better transport links too. The usual lines of everyone is rich in the south and so forth fuelling this stupid north vs south divide It's got worse now. The Government has stopped funding Transport for the North (TfN) to develop Northern Powerhouse Rail. TfN is a statutory body set up to advise the Government on the transport needs of the region, and is overseen by a board of all the Northern Mayors and Council Leaders. Tho move is being described as a "Whitehall power grab" and goes against the principles of devolved power and the Northern Powerhouse that were established by a previous Tory administration under Cameron and Osborne. |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 9, 2021 15:52:42 GMT
The trains for HS2 will be British-built. HS2 has signed a £2billion contract with Hitachi and Alsthom Rail to build 54 high-speed trains at their works in County Durham, Derby and Crewe. The trains will be around 200m long - a similar length to an Elizabeth Line train - and will be capable of operating in pairs. They will be built to UK rather than European loading gauge so they can operate services off the High Speed Line, although as they are not tilting trains they will need to operate at lower speeds than a class 390 Pendolino on parts of the classic network. The 432 bodyshells will be built and receive an initial fit-out at Hitachi Rail's facility in County Durham, and will be transferred to Alsthom at Derby for final fitting out and testing. The interior layouts have yet to be finalised, but each train could have a capacity of up to 550 seats. Bogies will be assembled and maintained by Alsthom in Crewe. The contract also includes 12 years of maintenance, which will take place at a new maintenance depot which will be built on the outskirts of Birmingham. There is the possibility that this contract could be extended to 35 years which is the expected service life of the trains. The first train is expected to roll off the production line in 2027, with the first passengers being carried between 2029 and 2033. www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2021/12/09/hs2-signs-2-billion-contract-for-fleet-of-high-speed-trains/ |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 23, 2022 13:18:02 GMT
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Post by COBO on Mar 27, 2022 19:25:44 GMT
How would the HS2 get from the Acton to Northolt line to the West Coast Railway to Euston? Is there already an existing link between the Acton to Northolt line to West Coast Railway or will new link be created?
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Post by T.R. on Mar 28, 2022 4:00:20 GMT
How would the HS2 get from the Acton to Northolt line to the West Coast Railway to Euston? Is there already an existing link between the Acton to Northolt line to West Coast Railway or will new link be created? HS2 won’t use either line - a ‘new’ route is being tunnelled. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 28, 2022 4:00:48 GMT
How would the HS2 get from the Acton to Northolt line to the West Coast Railway to Euston? Is there already an existing link between the Acton to Northolt line to West Coast Railway or will new link be created? HS2 won’t use either line - a new route is being tunnelled. Oh. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 28, 2022 4:05:36 GMT
How would the HS2 get from the Acton to Northolt line to the West Coast Railway to Euston? Is there already an existing link between the Acton to Northolt line to West Coast Railway or will new link be created? HS2 won’t use either line - a ‘new’ route is being tunnelled. So it’s going to go through a tunnel between Acton to Northolt line and Euston? |
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Post by T.R. on Mar 29, 2022 10:11:55 GMT
So it’s going to go through a tunnel between Acton to Northolt line and Euston? Apologies, I thought you was asking if HS2 uses the existing surface lines. The Northolt Tunnels run from West Ruislip to Old Oak Common. Here the tunnels follow the alignment of the Acton-Northolt line up to OOC (rather like HS1 between St Pancras and Stratford). The Euston Tunnels head from Old Oak towards Kensal Green, then follows the alignment of the WCML towards Euston. This might also be useful: HS2 In Your Area construction map. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 22, 2023 17:45:43 GMT
The viaduct across the Colne Valley took a further step forward, when a 40m stretch over Moorhall Road between Harefield and Denham was completed during a three-week closure of Moorhall Road. The closure was timed to coincide with the school summer holidays, when the closure of the road would be less of an issue than normal. The closure enabled cranes to lift the concrete segments into place. Normally this is done with a launching girder, but this was not available at the time and it was felt that using the cranes would be less disruptive to the local community. During the closure the 331 bus was diverted via Harvil Road and did not serve Denham. HS2 paid for a free shuttle bus to operate between Uxbridge and Denham during the closure, this was operated by Carousel Buses. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/hs2-completes-complex-colne-valley-viaduct-manuvre-65219/ |
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 16, 2023 21:21:33 GMT
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 17, 2023 6:46:32 GMT
Honestly getting it to Euston is a waste of money imo. OOC is certainly an okay terminus; if it has to terminate at Zone 1 it should be Paddington. I see no reason why the line has to cut across London to serve Euston specifically. And before anyone says, I don't say this because I would always get on at OOC (if I haven't moved house by the time it's built) and would want an empty train. It's just that the North should be prioritised and the London terminus sacrificed to ensure that as many Northern destinations are on HS2 as possible. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 17, 2023 9:01:02 GMT
Honestly getting it to Euston is a waste of money imo. OOC is certainly an okay terminus; if it has to terminate at Zone 1 it should be Paddington. I see no reason why the line has to cut across London to serve Euston specifically. And before anyone says, I don't say this because I would always get on at OOC (if I haven't moved house by the time it's built) and would want an empty train. It's just that the North should be prioritised and the London terminus sacrificed to ensure that as many Northern destinations are on HS2 as possible. But to do all that work at Euston only to turn around and say we're not going to go there anymore is a big waste of money for me |
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