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Post by adl on Nov 18, 2024 21:16:55 GMT
I completely forgot about the 323 moving into HK! What about the 309 does that not use dual doored buses? Could the 323s EVs stray onto that? It's possible, but it will most likely not be the case. This is because 10.9ms are very difficult to operate on the 309 and only some drivers can pull it off. 9.7m buses are ideal, but I was hoping it could gain some 10.2m ones. Uh, this is outrageously not true. it’s not because some drivers ‘can’t pull it off’ it’s because of approved specifications. The 309 isn’t approved for 10.8m /10.9m dimension buses. 9.7m at a push I’d say 10.2m. Yes I am aware of the occasional 10.9m MMC working the route but they are not cleared for the route to my knowledge hence why they do not last long. EDIT: Looking at last tender specs it has 9.6m (9.7m) approved as a max |
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Post by yunus on Nov 18, 2024 21:28:45 GMT
It's possible, but it will most likely not be the case. This is because 10.9ms are very difficult to operate on the 309 and only some drivers can pull it off. 9.7m buses are ideal, but I was hoping it could gain some 10.2m ones. Uh, this is outrageously not true. it’s not because some drivers ‘can’t pull it off’ it’s because of approved specifications. The 309 isn’t approved for 10.8m /10.9m dimension buses. 9.7m at a push I’d say 10.2m. Yes I am aware of the occasional 10.9m MMC working the route but they are not cleared for the route to my knowledge hence why they do not last long. EDIT: Looking at last tender specs it has 9.6m (9.7m) approved as a max The 309 is now allocated the ex W11 MMCs which are 9.8m or around that figure I believe so the 323s EVs will be too long. But certainly can see a stray of a BYD on the 310. |
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Post by adl on Nov 18, 2024 21:31:40 GMT
Uh, this is outrageously not true. it’s not because some drivers ‘can’t pull it off’ it’s because of approved specifications. The 309 isn’t approved for 10.8m /10.9m dimension buses. 9.7m at a push I’d say 10.2m. Yes I am aware of the occasional 10.9m MMC working the route but they are not cleared for the route to my knowledge hence why they do not last long. EDIT: Looking at last tender specs it has 9.6m (9.7m) approved as a max The 309 is now allocated the ex W11 MMCs which are 9.8m or around that figure I believe so the 323s EVs will be too long. But certainly can see a stray of a BYD on the 310. The 309s allocation of MMCs are 9.7m. There are slight variations from Classic E200 to MMC as follows: 8.9m (Classic) 9.0m (MMC) 9.6m (Classic) 9.7m (MMC)* 10.2m (Classic) 10.5m (Diesel MMCs) 10.8m (Classic) 10.9m (MMC) *I believe the Ex-First variants of the 9.6m are 9.4m but happy to be corrected on that one if I’m mistaken. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Nov 18, 2024 21:39:01 GMT
It's possible, but it will most likely not be the case. This is because 10.9ms are very difficult to operate on the 309 and only some drivers can pull it off. 9.7m buses are ideal, but I was hoping it could gain some 10.2m ones. Uh, this is outrageously not true. it’s not because some drivers ‘can’t pull it off’ it’s because of approved specifications. The 309 isn’t approved for 10.8m /10.9m dimension buses. 9.7m at a push I’d say 10.2m. Yes I am aware of the occasional 10.9m MMC working the route but they are not cleared for the route to my knowledge hence why they do not last long. EDIT: Looking at last tender specs it has 9.6m (9.7m) approved as a max That's what I meant, I may have not worded it correctly. Obviously if a 10.9m is not clear for the route, it indicates that it would be difficult for the route to operate with them, as it could make the route more prone to accidents, collisions and etc. I believe this was the case with either the 360 or 444, the 12m buses were quite long and left quite a bit of an overhang making them slightly dangerous to operate. Nonetheless, 10.2m would be best, and 9.7 is what TfL allocated to it. I guess it also makes you wonder about the fact that the W12 is being allocated 8.5m buses, but is using 9.6m ones for its temporary allocation, I don't understand why TfL can't allow slightly longer buses on routes that can clearly take them. |
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Post by adl on Nov 18, 2024 21:41:37 GMT
On the topic of approved dimensions, I do wonder if the 193 has had an increased maximum approved dimensions as multiple Ex-RM E200 MMCs have worked the 193 at one time and at the moment the route sees at least one a day on it. This differs to the above 309 situation whereby only a handful of workings have taken place and were subbed off quickly. I have a gut feeling that the 193 may surprise us a little even if awarded with existing diesels I feel it may use something larger even if it’s just an update to 10.5m MMCs. I’m not a regular user of the 193 so can’t really comment about loadings but it must have attracted some attention from TFL if they were reviewing volume of people on route.
Albeit not a grand route but it has come a long way in the recent past, under GAL it primarily used short one door darts with an upgrade to 9.7m MMCs under Stagecoach, I guess we will find out later in the year with its tender just thought I’d put across some thoughts and no before I get replies, I am not suggesting it needs to happen in anyway just curious and something that crossed my mind.
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 18, 2024 21:49:32 GMT
On the topic of approved dimensions, I do wonder if the 193 has had an increased maximum approved dimensions as multiple Ex-RM E200 MMCs have worked the 193 at one time and at the moment the route sees at least one a day on it. This differs to the above 309 situation whereby only a handful of workings have taken place and were subbed off quickly. I have a gut feeling that the 193 may surprise us a little even if awarded with existing diesels I feel it may use something larger even if it’s just an update to 10.5m MMCs. I’m not a regular user of the 193 so can’t really comment about loadings but it must have attracted some attention from TFL if they were reviewing volume of people on route. Albeit not a grand route but it has come a long way in the recent past, under GAL it primarily used short one door darts with an upgrade to 9.7m MMCs under Stagecoach, I guess we will find out later in the year with its tender just thought I’d put across some thoughts and no before I get replies, I am not suggesting it needs to happen in anyway just curious and something that crossed my mind. It would be excellent if it was upgraded, but I wouldn't get your hopes up based on TfL's track record - for example the 233, 463 and E5 are still stuck with 9m buses. |
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Post by atb123 on Nov 18, 2024 22:54:02 GMT
 The Future of 257 with 82060. Doesn't look too bad on 257 |
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Post by yunus on Nov 18, 2024 22:58:28 GMT
On the topic of approved dimensions, I do wonder if the 193 has had an increased maximum approved dimensions as multiple Ex-RM E200 MMCs have worked the 193 at one time and at the moment the route sees at least one a day on it. This differs to the above 309 situation whereby only a handful of workings have taken place and were subbed off quickly. I have a gut feeling that the 193 may surprise us a little even if awarded with existing diesels I feel it may use something larger even if it’s just an update to 10.5m MMCs. I’m not a regular user of the 193 so can’t really comment about loadings but it must have attracted some attention from TFL if they were reviewing volume of people on route. Albeit not a grand route but it has come a long way in the recent past, under GAL it primarily used short one door darts with an upgrade to 9.7m MMCs under Stagecoach, I guess we will find out later in the year with its tender just thought I’d put across some thoughts and no before I get replies, I am not suggesting it needs to happen in anyway just curious and something that crossed my mind. It would be excellent if it was upgraded, but I wouldn't get your hopes up based on TfL's track record - for example the 233, 463 and E5 are still stuck with 9m buses. Not sure but think the 463 cannot take on longer buses? |
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Nov 18, 2024 23:07:29 GMT
It would be excellent if it was upgraded, but I wouldn't get your hopes up based on TfL's track record - for example the 233, 463 and E5 are still stuck with 9m buses. Not sure but think the 463 cannot take on longer buses? It has used MCMs before I’m sure. And plus it is almost completely paralleled by the 633 which uses 10.6m WHVs |
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Post by yunus on Nov 18, 2024 23:25:27 GMT
Not sure but think the 463 cannot take on longer buses? It has used MCMs before I’m sure. And plus it is almost completely paralleled by the 633 which uses 10.6m WHVs We will soon hopefully see an EV stray from the 450 perhaps? |
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