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Post by LK65EBO on Jun 25, 2024 19:04:22 GMT
482: Converted to a 24 hour operation.
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Post by kaya on Jun 25, 2024 20:16:53 GMT
482: Converted to a 24 hour operation. Pretty reasonable to convert 482 into 24hr as it starts its service at 3:20 am. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 25, 2024 20:17:25 GMT
482: Converted to a 24 hour operation. Would probably benefit by being extended to Ealing Broadway, otherwise it’s just a worse version of the 105(N). |
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Post by LK65EBO on Jun 25, 2024 20:32:22 GMT
482: Converted to a 24 hour operation. Would probably benefit by being extended to Ealing Broadway, otherwise it’s just a worse version of the 105(N). Purpose was more so connecting the areas of Southall, Heston and Hounslow where the 105 does not serve. Additionally, the 105 does not go to Terminal 5... |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 26, 2024 8:02:38 GMT
Some changes I thought: 38: Withdrawn between Hackney Central and Clapton Pond, diverted to Homerton Hospital via Millfields replacing route 242. HALF SERVICE ONLY - other journeys terminating at Hackney Central as usual. No changes to route N38. 67: withdrawn between Stamford Hill and Wood Green, and diverted to Meridian Water via route 476 to Northumberland Park and Leaside Road via route 341 Extended from Dalston Junction to Aldgate replacing route 242 73: extended from Stoke Newington to Wood Green via La Rose Lane and Turnpike Lane replacing route 67 No changes to N73 242: withdrawn, replaced by changes to 38 and 67 N242: withdrawn and replaced by new N149 476: withdrawn, replaced by changes to 67 and 73 N149: New route introduced between Edmonton Green and Tottenham Court Road - replacing existing route 149 up to Monument where it runs via Cannon Street to Bank and replaces existing route N242 to TCR. W3: Extended to Meridian Water via Leaside Road Reasons: 38/242 changes: The 242 is quite a short nip route and could easily be replaced with changes to other existing routes and perhaps reduce the overbussing in the Hackney and Hoxton areas - usually only busy between Dalston and Homerton where routes such as the 38 carries air 67/242 changes: The 67’s proposal to Meridian Water up to Aldgate would be much more useful and connecting and reliable, connecting Aldgate, Hoxton and Haggerston with Meridian Water (Drumsheds), Tottenham and Seven Sisters. I would propose perhaps a 24 hour service on Fri/Sat nights. The 242’s links at Aldgate to Haggerston and Hackney are unpopular as there are other alternatives already. 67/73/476 changes; Reasons for withdrawing the 476 is the overbussing and lack of demand. Reasons for swapping the 67/476(73) ends is that the 73/341 are very similar routes and for the 67/341/W3 to be the connecting routes at Meridian Water, it improves reliability for both the 67/73 and also gives new links to Hoxton, Haggerston and Aldgate instead of two major routes to Angel and the West End areas. N149/N242 changes: Not much to say other than the need for a Dalston-TCR route via the City which could be done in the shape of the 149 as it serves a dominant section of the N242 route already. For people to Hackney and nearby areas, routes such ar the N8/N38/N55/N253 are also available. Extending the Hackney shorts on the 38 to Homerton Hospital via Millfields has been suggested before although as mentioned the LTs might be a problem. The 67 idea makes sense to me but wouldn't the 73 frequency be a bit excessive for Wood Green? |
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Post by MMS2001 on Jun 27, 2024 0:51:00 GMT
Some ideas for changes to buses routes in the Beam Park area:
165: Reroute from Cherry Tree Lane via current 365 to Beam Park, New Road and current 174 to Marsh Way Industrial Area. Convert to DD. Possible 2-way working along Frederick Road to serve Orchard Village in both directions.
174: Reroute from New Road / Marsh Way via current 287 to Rainham, Abbey Wood Lane. 24h service introduced (N86 withdrawn)
175: Withdrawn
252: Extended from Collier Row to Hillrise Estate.
287: Reroute from Rainham Tesco / merge with 372 to Lakeside.
365: Rerouted from Cherry Tree Lane via current 165/372 to Rainham Tesco then extended to Ferry Lane South Industrial Area. Frequency increased to 6bph. 24h service withdrawn.
372: Withdrawn
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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 27, 2024 7:46:48 GMT
Some ideas for changes to buses routes in the Beam Park area: 165: Reroute from Cherry Tree Lane via current 365 to Beam Park, New Road and current 174 to Marsh Way Industrial Area. Convert to DD. Possible 2-way working along Frederick Road to serve Orchard Village in both directions. 174: Reroute from New Road / Marsh Way via current 287 to Rainham, Abbey Wood Lane. 24h service introduced (N86 withdrawn) 175: Withdrawn 252: Extended from Collier Row to Hillrise Estate. 287: Reroute from Rainham Tesco / merge with 372 to Lakeside. 365: Rerouted from Cherry Tree Lane via current 165/372 to Rainham Tesco then extended to Ferry Lane South Industrial Area. Frequency increased to 6bph. 24h service withdrawn. 372: Withdrawn I wouldn’t remove the 175 or extend the 252 to North Romford. I like the 287 Barking-Lakeside routing but I feel like removing the 372 from Cherry Tree Lane, breaking all the links from there to Lakeside isn’t a good idea. Presumably you would still keep the N86 between Stratford & Romford. I do like giving Dagenham a night service in terms of the 174 but it isn’t a good idea to remove the night services off Cherry Tree Lane either. Removing the night service off the 365 also means Collier Row/Havering Park would have no night service whatsoever. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 27, 2024 8:35:11 GMT
Some ideas for changes to buses routes in the Beam Park area: 165: Reroute from Cherry Tree Lane via current 365 to Beam Park, New Road and current 174 to Marsh Way Industrial Area. Convert to DD. Possible 2-way working along Frederick Road to serve Orchard Village in both directions. 174: Reroute from New Road / Marsh Way via current 287 to Rainham, Abbey Wood Lane. 24h service introduced (N86 withdrawn) 175: Withdrawn 252: Extended from Collier Row to Hillrise Estate. 287: Reroute from Rainham Tesco / merge with 372 to Lakeside. 365: Rerouted from Cherry Tree Lane via current 165/372 to Rainham Tesco then extended to Ferry Lane South Industrial Area. Frequency increased to 6bph. 24h service withdrawn. 372: Withdrawn Dagenham, not Beam Park gentrification nonsense. The idea is a load of nonsense |
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Post by britishguy54 on Jun 27, 2024 23:41:27 GMT
Some ideas for changes to buses routes in the Beam Park area: 165: Reroute from Cherry Tree Lane via current 365 to Beam Park, New Road and current 174 to Marsh Way Industrial Area. Convert to DD. Possible 2-way working along Frederick Road to serve Orchard Village in both directions. 174: Reroute from New Road / Marsh Way via current 287 to Rainham, Abbey Wood Lane. 24h service introduced (N86 withdrawn) 175: Withdrawn 252: Extended from Collier Row to Hillrise Estate. 287: Reroute from Rainham Tesco / merge with 372 to Lakeside. 365: Rerouted from Cherry Tree Lane via current 165/372 to Rainham Tesco then extended to Ferry Lane South Industrial Area. Frequency increased to 6bph. 24h service withdrawn. 372: Withdrawn I can’t help but feel these ideas just don’t work. The 165 taking over the 365 is fine, but it doesn’t need to go to Marsh Way when the 365 will soon likely be up for a consultation to extend to Beam Park Station (if it ever opens). The 174 change would make the route too long. Curtail it at Romford if you have to. But just… no. Keep the 165 as is, or let the 365 swap termini with it. Keep the N86. If Dagenham needs a night service, perhaps the 173 is a better candidate at this point in time. No to withdrawing the 175. Maybe something minor like re-routing it to Dagenham ASDA, but even that feels like a stretch. 252 actually seems okay. If there’s stand space, no real issues here. 287 to Lakeside is an idea… but withdrawing the 372 is overkill. I’d rather keep the 372. Any route going to the industrial area has already been thrown out the window. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 28, 2024 8:51:25 GMT
Some ideas for changes to buses routes in the Beam Park area: 165: Reroute from Cherry Tree Lane via current 365 to Beam Park, New Road and current 174 to Marsh Way Industrial Area. Convert to DD. Possible 2-way working along Frederick Road to serve Orchard Village in both directions. 174: Reroute from New Road / Marsh Way via current 287 to Rainham, Abbey Wood Lane. 24h service introduced (N86 withdrawn) 175: Withdrawn 252: Extended from Collier Row to Hillrise Estate. 287: Reroute from Rainham Tesco / merge with 372 to Lakeside. 365: Rerouted from Cherry Tree Lane via current 165/372 to Rainham Tesco then extended to Ferry Lane South Industrial Area. Frequency increased to 6bph. 24h service withdrawn. 372: Withdrawn I can’t help but feel these ideas just don’t work. The 165 taking over the 365 is fine, but it doesn’t need to go to Marsh Way when the 365 will soon likely be up for a consultation to extend to Beam Park Station (if it ever opens). The 174 change would make the route too long. Curtail it at Romford if you have to. But just… no. Keep the 165 as is, or let the 365 swap termini with it. Keep the N86. If Dagenham needs a night service, perhaps the 173 is a better candidate at this point in time. No to withdrawing the 175. Maybe something minor like re-routing it to Dagenham ASDA, but even that feels like a stretch. 252 actually seems okay. If there’s stand space, no real issues here. 287 to Lakeside is an idea… but withdrawing the 372 is overkill. I’d rather keep the 372. Any route going to the industrial area has already been thrown out the window. I really like the idea of the 287 to Lakeside, but what about keeping the 372 as it is, then send the 287 to Lakeside but non-stop via New Road? |
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Post by randomy on Jun 28, 2024 18:03:06 GMT
395: Withdrawn between Westway Cross and Greenford Station, extended to Ealing Common Warwick Dene via route E10 and E11
E2: Extended from Greenford Broadway to Westway Cross
E10: Withdrawn
E11: Extended from Greenford Broadway to Northolt Islip Manor via E10 to Northolt Station and Eastcote Lane to serve Northolt Station. Withdrawn between Warwick Dene and Ealing Broadway and extended to Turnham Green Church via Acton Town, Chiswick Business Park and Acton Vale
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jun 28, 2024 18:50:19 GMT
395: Withdrawn between Westway Cross and Greenford Station, extended to Ealing Common Warwick Dene via route E10 and E11
E2: Extended from Greenford Broadway to Westway Cross
E10: Withdrawn
E11: Extended from Greenford Broadway to Northolt Islip Manor via E10 to Northolt Station and Eastcote Lane to serve Northolt Station. Withdrawn between Warwick Dene and Ealing Broadway and extended to Turnham Green Church via Acton Town, Chiswick Business Park and Acton Vale I'm really not sure about this, I'd say your E11 would be too long. I also don't see the need to involve the 395; I think it would probably be better to extend the E10 to Warwick Dene and the E11 to Turnham Green Church. |
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Post by cl54 on Jun 28, 2024 19:28:43 GMT
I was waiting for a bus in Eastbourne Terrace in Paddington this afternoon.
During that time two 205s came and went and nobody boarded them.
The 205 was a partial replacement for routes that provided an alternative to the Circle line which had no step free access at the time.
The Circle line now has lifts at several stations on the north side and the Elizabeth line provides a frequent service between Paddington and Liverpool Street with step free access.
Has the time come to review the route and see if the resources could be better utilised.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 28, 2024 19:32:15 GMT
I was waiting for a bus in Eastbourne Terrace in Paddington this afternoon. During that time two 205s came and went and nobody boarded them. The 205 was a partial replacement for routes that provided an alternative to the Circle line which had no step free access at the time. The Circle line now has lifts at several stations on the north side and the Elizabeth line provides a frequent service between Paddington and Liverpool Street with step free access. Has the time come to review the route and see if the resources could be better utilised. No- you're coming up with this based on seeing a route from one stop. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 28, 2024 19:54:25 GMT
I was waiting for a bus in Eastbourne Terrace in Paddington this afternoon. During that time two 205s came and went and nobody boarded them. The 205 was a partial replacement for routes that provided an alternative to the Circle line which had no step free access at the time. The Circle line now has lifts at several stations on the north side and the Elizabeth line provides a frequent service between Paddington and Liverpool Street with step free access. Has the time come to review the route and see if the resources could be better utilised. I wouldn't be surprised if the 205 is cut back to King's Cross or Euston at some point. |
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