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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jun 29, 2024 16:40:00 GMT
Changes to buses in Shepherds Bush 228:Withdrawn 272: Extended from Shepherds Bush to Maida Hill, The Chippenham replacing the 228 from Shepherds Bush Station onwards 283: Extended from East Acton to Park Royal, Central Middlesex Hospital,and the frequency cut to every 15 mins Mon-Sat,and every 20 mins on evenings and Sundays C1: Extended from White City to East Acton via route 228,and the frequency cut to every 15 mins on all days of the week. The route can also be extended to Old Oak Common Station in the future. I think these ideas are fairly sensible, though I wouldn't reduce the 283 as of yet being it's a busy route itself. What you could perhaps do is create short workings by extending 3bph north to Central Middlesex Hospital where the 228 previously used to run at. In the long term there may be a case to add additional capacity if the Old Oak Common developments advance. I personally think TfL will eventually bin the 228 from it's recent reduction to half hourly, essentially forcing the service to run down and will soon justify replacing the route with existing services. I didn't even think about short workings.With your suggestion,that leaves the 283 to run every 10 mins.In terms of PVR,the 283 would increase to 14/15,the C1 to 14,and the 272 to 13.Thw only other thing to know is where the extra buses will come from. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 29, 2024 18:45:14 GMT
Most people on the 205 boarding at Paddington board at the other Paddington Station stop and St Mary's Hospital. The Crossrail bus stop is a bit out of the way for most and not very well advertised for those not in the know. My thoughts were based on the reason for the route not just one stop. (The stop was well used by those waiting for other routes.) Other routes parallel the 205 along the way. Times change. Sure the original purpose was a step-free route in the lineage of the former SL1/SL2 routes but it's long become more than a step-free alternative to the tube. Worth nothing that most passengers on the 205 aren't armed with suitcases or wheelchair bound, so it's not like they physically could not take the tube. It remains a very useful trunk route with overlapping segments of significant passenger flows. Splitting or shortening the route would affect this and I suspect most passengers will probably find another way to get around rather than make a change with Hopper.
You risk having the 73 syndrome if you make any changes to the 205... shorten it too much or split the route at a point with a previous overlap in busy segments and you end up with something half empty. |
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Post by londonbuses184 on Jun 29, 2024 19:56:51 GMT
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Post by abellion on Jun 29, 2024 20:34:29 GMT
Between the Overground, 28, 49, 220, 295, 328 and 452 I think there are enough SW-NW links, and said routes end up being congested disasters which are horrible to use most of the time. |
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Post by sdaniel on Jun 29, 2024 20:54:36 GMT
Don’t think there is any need of this route. I understand that this is also probably because of 316’s capacity and they are yet to give the route DD’s. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2024 21:46:28 GMT
People from Battersea are looking to either head south towards Wandsworth & Clapham Junction or to South Kensington, Kings Road or Central London. I doubt this would bring much benefit to anyone in Clapham Junction or Battersea - can't speak for the northern end so will let others comment on that part. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2024 21:47:46 GMT
I think these ideas are fairly sensible, though I wouldn't reduce the 283 as of yet being it's a busy route itself. What you could perhaps do is create short workings by extending 3bph north to Central Middlesex Hospital where the 228 previously used to run at. In the long term there may be a case to add additional capacity if the Old Oak Common developments advance. I personally think TfL will eventually bin the 228 from it's recent reduction to half hourly, essentially forcing the service to run down and will soon justify replacing the route with existing services. I didn't even think about short workings.With your suggestion,that leaves the 283 to run every 10 mins.In terms of PVR,the 283 would increase to 14/15,the C1 to 14,and the 272 to 13.Thw only other thing to know is where the extra buses will come from. I don't think it's at all sensible to reduce the C1 to every 15 minutes as your just repeating what TfL have done to the 228 - reduce it's frequency causing further decline and then crossing fingers you can outright scrap it despite supposing to be a transport provider |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 30, 2024 13:28:59 GMT
I didn't even think about short workings.With your suggestion,that leaves the 283 to run every 10 mins.In terms of PVR,the 283 would increase to 14/15,the C1 to 14,and the 272 to 13.Thw only other thing to know is where the extra buses will come from. I don't think it's at all sensible to reduce the C1 to every 15 minutes as your just repeating what TfL have done to the 228 - reduce it's frequency causing further decline and then crossing fingers you can outright scrap it despite supposing to be a transport provider Somewhat related... I really do with TfL promoted their bus routes a little more (and I don't mean route branding). The C1 has a lot of links a tourist might want if they happen to find themselves at Victoria... yet always seems very quiet, not being helped by being hidden around the corner. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 30, 2024 20:02:35 GMT
I don't think it's at all sensible to reduce the C1 to every 15 minutes as your just repeating what TfL have done to the 228 - reduce it's frequency causing further decline and then crossing fingers you can outright scrap it despite supposing to be a transport provider Somewhat related... I really do with TfL promoted their bus routes a little more (and I don't mean route branding). The C1 has a lot of links a tourist might want if they happen to find themselves at Victoria... yet always seems very quiet, not being helped by being hidden around the corner. I think the C1 currently not running via Harrods due to the closure of Sloane St Northbound isn’t helping & I think the C1 was busier before the road closure took place. |
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 1, 2024 12:44:54 GMT
I don't think it's at all sensible to reduce the C1 to every 15 minutes as your just repeating what TfL have done to the 228 - reduce it's frequency causing further decline and then crossing fingers you can outright scrap it despite supposing to be a transport provider Somewhat related... I really do with TfL promoted their bus routes a little more (and I don't mean route branding). The C1 has a lot of links a tourist might want if they happen to find themselves at Victoria... yet always seems very quiet, not being helped by being hidden around the corner. I totally agree with you. The RV1 was pretty much the unofficial tourist route, to the point where a driver told me he was rostered on the route as he spoke multiple languages. I always thought operators and TfL would capitalise on this by putting bilingual drivers on their most central routes. Simple stickers on the cabin could signal if a driver speaks additional languages. Other countries do have similar schemes to the one I have mentioned, but in the western world English is king so there's not much appetite for such inclusivity. It would be a really great initiative for TfL to adopt though. |
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Post by borneobus on Jul 1, 2024 14:31:12 GMT
Somewhat related... I really do with TfL promoted their bus routes a little more (and I don't mean route branding). The C1 has a lot of links a tourist might want if they happen to find themselves at Victoria... yet always seems very quiet, not being helped by being hidden around the corner. I totally agree with you. The RV1 was pretty much the unofficial tourist route, to the point where a driver told me he was rostered on the route as he spoke multiple languages. I always thought operators and TfL would capitalise on this by putting bilingual drivers on their most central routes. Simple stickers on the cabin could signal if a driver speaks additional languages. Other countries do have similar schemes to the one I have mentioned, but in the western world English is king so there's not much appetite for such inclusivity. It would be a really great initiative for TfL to adopt though.
...or, as British Airways so effectively accomplish by using flags on name badges of customer facing staff to signify languages spoken. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 1, 2024 14:35:33 GMT
I totally agree with you. The RV1 was pretty much the unofficial tourist route, to the point where a driver told me he was rostered on the route as he spoke multiple languages. I always thought operators and TfL would capitalise on this by putting bilingual drivers on their most central routes. Simple stickers on the cabin could signal if a driver speaks additional languages. Other countries do have similar schemes to the one I have mentioned, but in the western world English is king so there's not much appetite for such inclusivity. It would be a really great initiative for TfL to adopt though.
...or, as British Airways so effectively accomplish by using flags on name badges of customer facing staff to signify languages spoken. That’s my pet peeve, I hate that. I would never tell them if I spoke a second language, they are never going to pay you more for it. |
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Post by borneobus on Jul 1, 2024 14:51:30 GMT
Simple stickers on the cabin could signal if a driver speaks additional languages.
...or, as British Airways so effectively accomplish by using flags on name badges of customer facing staff to signify languages spoken. That’s my pet peeve, I hate that. When I worked at Boots I never told them I was more or less fluent in French. They weren’t going to pay me more so it wasn’t worth my time. Understood, no extra personal remuneration but on a personal level you would have probably made the day of a French customer visiting from Marseilles if you'd answered their query en Français If I spoke French it would certainly be on my CV. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 1, 2024 16:56:31 GMT
Somewhat related... I really do with TfL promoted their bus routes a little more (and I don't mean route branding). The C1 has a lot of links a tourist might want if they happen to find themselves at Victoria... yet always seems very quiet, not being helped by being hidden around the corner. I totally agree with you. The RV1 was pretty much the unofficial tourist route, to the point where a driver told me he was rostered on the route as he spoke multiple languages. I always thought operators and TfL would capitalise on this by putting bilingual drivers on their most central routes. Simple stickers on the cabin could signal if a driver speaks additional languages. Other countries do have similar schemes to the one I have mentioned, but in the western world English is king so there's not much appetite for such inclusivity. It would be a really great initiative for TfL to adopt though. In this day and age of translator apps you can see why TfL might thing it’s a little extra! I mean things as simple as more prominent signage for routes promoting notable destinations at Victoria Bus Station might be a good start! Sure they like keeping to the very nice TfL signage guidelines but in that case they should come up with some new concepts for eye-catching signage designed to attract and inform an occasional, as opposed to regular, potential passenger. |
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Post by B9TL205 on Jul 1, 2024 19:38:10 GMT
Most people on the 205 boarding at Paddington board at the other Paddington Station stop and St Mary's Hospital. The Crossrail bus stop is a bit out of the way for most and not very well advertised for those not in the know. My thoughts were based on the reason for the route not just one stop. (The stop was well used by those waiting for other routes.) Other routes parallel the 205 along the way. Times change. So what, the route still provides very important links... have you seen how busy the route can get? |
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