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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 1, 2020 14:07:32 GMT
Back in the day, congestion wasn't as bad as today hence why routes are much shorter. Hopefully after the virus the congestion maybe be less because people are working from Home and if the Congestion was lest then bus routes can be longer I think any lift in congestion will only be temporary and it's not worth adjusting bus routes thinking this will be the norm because it won't be. |
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Post by rng on May 1, 2020 23:09:36 GMT
You may think the 90 extension is long but back in the day the 90 used to run from Northolt - Kew Gardens. Back in the day, congestion wasn't as bad as today hence why routes are much shorter. I’m not so sure about that. Having personal knowledge of the former 90B I can say , especially on Saturdays and MF peaks it was quite hard to keep to time. Plus the A312 Hayes By Pass hadn't been built . |
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Post by vjaska on May 2, 2020 0:41:17 GMT
Back in the day, congestion wasn't as bad as today hence why routes are much shorter. I’m not so sure about that. Having personal knowledge of the former 90B I can say , especially on Saturdays and MF peaks it was quite hard to keep to time. Plus the A312 Hayes By Pass hadn't been built . I'm not saying congestion didn't exist back then but what's not in doubt is how much cars are on the road today in comparison and how much traffic congestion has occurred since with relatively few methods introduced since the 80's such as new roads or serious measures to restrict the use of cars and other motor vehicles. |
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Post by uakari on May 2, 2020 5:41:22 GMT
This is a risky one: 307: extended from Barnet Hospital to Edgware via Wellhouse Lane, Wood Street, via route 307 to Stirling Corner, Barnet Way, Apex Corner, Edgware Way and route 113 to Edgware. To provide a direct link between Edgware and Barnet. This has got to be better than removing the 384 from all those Barnet roads, and fulfils the 'connecting outer London town centres' brief well. But this would make the 307 rather long, especially with the loop back onto Wood Street round the Barnet Hospital grounds stop, which I think TfL would be keen to to retain, having diverted the 307 to terminate at Barnet Hospital rather than at the Arkley Hotel, several years ago. Unless you're suggesting the 307 continue down Wellhouse Lane and shadow the 384 until Quinta Drive, then back up to Barnet Road? Might be possible but the ability for Trinder Road in particular to cope with double deckers would need to be determined by someone who knows more about these things than I do - anybody care to look at the Wellhouse Lane to Quinta Drive section on Streetview to see if DDs would fit? |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 8:37:18 GMT
If Night routes was to be extended out of thw london border like the N279 N20 extended to Potters Bar Station via 84 or N91 extended to Potters Bar Station via 298 N16 extended to Watford Junction via 142 or N18 extended to Watford Junction via 285
N65 extended to Leatherhead via the day 465 Now I know this may not happen due the county councils not supporting TFL Buses very well but it just Idear so what other nigth routes do you think can out side the london border It also unlikely wouldn't happen due to a lack of demand - the N279 only runs over the border because of a lack of convienent terminus before then. It terminates at the bus station ! Right in the middle of the town. |
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Post by vjaska on May 2, 2020 10:17:04 GMT
It also unlikely wouldn't happen due to a lack of demand - the N279 only runs over the border because of a lack of convienent terminus before then. It terminates at the bus station ! Right in the middle of the town. Yes, I'm very aware where it terminates having been to Waltham Cross a number of times but the point I'm making is it only terminates there because there is no suitable turning point nearby within Greater London so it runs over the border into Waltham Cross. |
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Post by londonboy71 on May 2, 2020 14:10:58 GMT
It terminates at the bus station ! Right in the middle of the town. Yes, I'm very aware where it terminates having been to Waltham Cross a number of times but the point I'm making is it only terminates there because there is no suitable turning point nearby within Greater London so it runs over the border into Waltham Cross. Used to run to Upshire Village |
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Post by ssmoquette on May 2, 2020 16:18:56 GMT
Here's a possible idea... - Currently, the 500-series numbers are used for temporary numbers (and Red Arrow services). However, in London at the moment, there aren't that many numbers (excluding letter prefixes) left. Therefore, I propose that temporary routes are from now on have a T-prefix instead of a 5-prefix. 5-prefix routes that are currently in service (eg. the 533) can be kept until they're withdrawn. For example, if the 94 was on a major diversion, the T94 could replace it.
- These would be mainly used for routes that would get an A-suffix, but for a number with no other numbers with the same two-last digits.
With that in mind, I propose...
A new route 572, which would follow the 272 for the vast majority of the length, except for between...
- Grove Park Bridge and Cavendish Road, where it would instead go to Kew Green, via Strand-on-the-Green and Kew Bridge, using the spare bus stand previously used by the 7...
- Acton Vale and East Acton, where it would run along Bromyard Avenue and East Acton Lane, avoiding very heavy traffic on Old Oak Lane
- And White City and Shepherd's Bush, where it would not run and instead terminate on a new stand within the bus station using spare space beside the Westfield entrance.
The route would use half of the 272's allocation, and would be jointly tendered. This would mean the frequency would be cut on the 272 to every 30-40 minutes, although for the vast majority of the route, the current frequency of 15-20 minutes would be maintained, and on sections of route where it would differ, the existing 272 is quite close together (around ~400 metres maximum).
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Post by thesquirrels on May 2, 2020 17:14:45 GMT
Yes, I'm very aware where it terminates having been to Waltham Cross a number of times but the point I'm making is it only terminates there because there is no suitable turning point nearby within Greater London so it runs over the border into Waltham Cross. Used to run to Upshire Village I think it was only a single return journey. The N90 may have had two - I forget, but the a significant portion of the service made it through Cheshunt to Hammondstreet, though in a very different era of N routes to now which respected the flow of users ahead of boundaries and funding sources. The relationship between the 279 and N90 was quite blurry with the daytime counterpart taking over the Waltham Abbey journey in the final years prior to the N279's introduction in 1996 - when Darius Grigg had all of the old LT timetables up on flickr it was interesting to see how the very early/late 279 journeys overlapped heavily with the N90, the former served a very different traffic objective in Central London, i.e. Smithfield Market. It was effectively a 22.5 hour-a-day service for many years. I think the 259 had very early journeys too when it had a role through Waltham Cross. Re. comments about the N279, it may terminate right in the middle of WX town centre, but given that the bus station is all of 400 yards north of the Greater London boundary it would be an aggressively political move to curtail any Hertford Road routes short. Even if the route was terminated at Bullsmoor Lane the buses would need to run into the bus station to give drivers the opportunity for a comfort break. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 2, 2020 17:24:46 GMT
Yes, I'm very aware where it terminates having been to Waltham Cross a number of times but the point I'm making is it only terminates there because there is no suitable turning point nearby within Greater London so it runs over the border into Waltham Cross. Used to run to Upshire Village I think that was only one journey, and I believe it effectively acted as a staff bus for Enfield Garage. Although the terminal was referred to as "Upshire" it was at Princesfield Road, at the edge of a postwar housing estate to the east of Waltham Abbey and a little short of the village itself. |
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Post by vjaska on May 2, 2020 19:14:43 GMT
Yes, I'm very aware where it terminates having been to Waltham Cross a number of times but the point I'm making is it only terminates there because there is no suitable turning point nearby within Greater London so it runs over the border into Waltham Cross. Used to run to Upshire Village Indeed it did though as others mentioned, it was only one journey that went to Upshire though it continued until the late 90’s as I remember my All London Bus Guides mentioning it |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 2, 2020 19:45:09 GMT
I have a Camden Town out and about guide and it shows the N279 journey with a white line rather then black and says 1 journey only.
It was the 03.08 from Victoria and the 04.43 from Upshire that then left Waltham Cross at 4.55 (ie that last bus from Waltham X in the morning to Central London).
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Post by COBO on May 2, 2020 21:19:30 GMT
This is a risky one: 307: extended from Barnet Hospital to Edgware via Wellhouse Lane, Wood Street, via route 307 to Stirling Corner, Barnet Way, Apex Corner, Edgware Way and route 113 to Edgware. To provide a direct link between Edgware and Barnet. This has got to be better than removing the 384 from all those Barnet roads, and fulfils the 'connecting outer London town centres' brief well. But this would make the 307 rather long, especially with the loop back onto Wood Street round the Barnet Hospital grounds stop, which I think TfL would be keen to to retain, having diverted the 307 to terminate at Barnet Hospital rather than at the Arkley Hotel, several years ago. Unless you're suggesting the 307 continue down Wellhouse Lane and shadow the 384 until Quinta Drive, then back up to Barnet Road? Might be possible but the ability for Trinder Road in particular to cope with double deckers would need to be determined by someone who knows more about these things than I do - anybody care to look at the Wellhouse Lane to Quinta Drive section on Streetview to see if DDs would fit? I’m suggesting that the 307 via Wellhouse Lane, double run the Barnet Hospital, Wellhouse Lane, Wood Street, Barnet Road, Arkley, Stirling Corner, Barnet Way, Apex Corner, Edgware Way and then via route 113/186 to Edgware. By doing it retains the loop back onto the Wood Street around Barnet Hosptial. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 23:14:29 GMT
It terminates at the bus station ! Right in the middle of the town. Yes, I'm very aware where it terminates having been to Waltham Cross a number of times but the point I'm making is it only terminates there because there is no suitable turning point nearby within Greater London so it runs over the border into Waltham Cross. Well that doesn’t make any sense. It serves Waltham Cross town centre which is the only sensible thing to do. If there was a roundabout at the boundary , would you turn it around there and leave the bus station unserved ? |
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Post by ADH45258 on May 3, 2020 0:29:21 GMT
288 - Withdrawn between Edgware and Broadfields. Extended from Queensbury to Central Middlesex Hospital, via Honeypot Lane, Kingsbury Circle, Fryent Way, The Paddocks, then via the 206 to Harlesden Station, then Acton Lane to CMH. Providing new links to Kingsbury, Wembley Park, Brent Park and Central Middlesex Hospital. Converted to DD operation.
303 - Extended from Edgware to Broadfields Estate via the 288.
206 - Withdrawn between Brent Park and Harlesden, and instead extended to Alperton via route 224.
187 - Rerouted from Harlesden Station to St Raphaels via route 224. Revised 206 continues to link CMH to similar areas as far as Queens Park.
224 - Withdrawn.
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