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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 3, 2023 16:51:52 GMT
There's a small chance that they could reverse the changes but I think it would be unlikely. The 23 to Hammersmith wasn't well received so they returned it to Aldwych The 23 was only returned to Aldwych because the 6 was diverted to Victoria Yes had the 23 not been needed to continue to round the corner like from Park Lane to Piccadilly it would probably have been cut to Marble Arch and added to the 414. Or even become Putney Heath to Westboure Park had the 14 been axed.
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 3, 2023 17:18:18 GMT
How well used is the 16 between Edgware Road tube station and Paddington? Would it be feasible to remove this link without replacement?
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Post by COBO on Oct 5, 2023 16:52:40 GMT
92: divert the 92s bound for St Raphael’s North via Ingram Way and Oldfield Lane North. This is to avoid the Rockware Avenue/ Greenford Road junction this is because the Hs2 like to dig up the road and this causes delays. Right now Greenford Road / Rockware Avenue is being dug up because of HS2 and they’ll be doing this for 6 months. So to avoid delays I think the 92 should be rerouted.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 6, 2023 15:50:19 GMT
Route 205 is frequently unreliable. With gaps of 15-20 minutes not being infrequent, followed by 2-3 buses in quick succession. A more regular service will help boost its usefulness as a major station connector route.
205 split into 2 overlapping sections as follows: 205 - Paddington (Cleveland Terrace) <-> Aldgate Bus Station or Liverpool Street Station every 10-12 minutes 305 - Bow Church <-> Euston Bus Station every 10-12 minutes
This split aims to reduce broken links. All major railway termini remain accessible on a single journey without a change. Bow Church and the East End maintain a direct route to Shoreditch, Old Street, KX and Euston.
N205 unchanged.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 6, 2023 16:31:07 GMT
Route 205 is frequently unreliable. With gaps of 15-20 minutes not being infrequent, followed by 2-3 buses in quick succession. A more regular service will help boost its usefulness as a major station connector route. 205 split into 2 overlapping sections as follows: 205 - Paddington (Cleveland Terrace) <-> Aldgate Bus Station or Liverpool Street Station every 10-12 minutes 305 - Bow Church <-> Euston Bus Station every 10-12 minutes This split aims to reduce broken links. All major railway termini remain accessible on a single journey without a change. Bow Church and the East End maintain a direct route to Shoreditch, Old Street, KX and Euston. N205 unchanged. In view of needing to be cost conscious I would consider making the 205 Euston to Bow Church and divert the 30 at Baker Street to Paddington. The way the current 205 between Paddington and Angel would be maintained. The 390 would still link King's Cross and Euston to Marble Arch and there is no shortage of routes linking BS and Marble Arch.
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Post by B9TL205 on Oct 6, 2023 16:46:37 GMT
Route 205 is frequently unreliable. With gaps of 15-20 minutes not being infrequent, followed by 2-3 buses in quick succession. A more regular service will help boost its usefulness as a major station connector route. 205 split into 2 overlapping sections as follows: 205 - Paddington (Cleveland Terrace) <-> Aldgate Bus Station or Liverpool Street Station every 10-12 minutes 305 - Bow Church <-> Euston Bus Station every 10-12 minutes This split aims to reduce broken links. All major railway termini remain accessible on a single journey without a change. Bow Church and the East End maintain a direct route to Shoreditch, Old Street, KX and Euston. N205 unchanged. The 205 is certainly quite unreliable from experience but can't really blame for the route for that, goes down to traffic and does that long journey from Paddington Not to forget the amount of times I see 205s arriving together especially from the west but that route is definitely one of the most useful for links.. EDIT: Personally I'd leave it alone as its not the worst for reliability and to avoid any more confusion along the corridor from Old Street.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 6, 2023 16:54:20 GMT
Route 205 is frequently unreliable. With gaps of 15-20 minutes not being infrequent, followed by 2-3 buses in quick succession. A more regular service will help boost its usefulness as a major station connector route. 205 split into 2 overlapping sections as follows: 205 - Paddington (Cleveland Terrace) <-> Aldgate Bus Station or Liverpool Street Station every 10-12 minutes 305 - Bow Church <-> Euston Bus Station every 10-12 minutes This split aims to reduce broken links. All major railway termini remain accessible on a single journey without a change. Bow Church and the East End maintain a direct route to Shoreditch, Old Street, KX and Euston. N205 unchanged. In view of needing to be cost conscious I would consider making the 205 Euston to Bow Church and divert the 30 at Baker Street to Paddington. The way the current 205 between Paddington and Angel would be maintained. The 390 would still link King's Cross and Euston to Marble Arch and there is no shortage of routes linking BS and Marble Arch. Or alternatively you could divert the 27 to Kings Cross, as the 88/274 would maintain links from Camden Town to Great Portland Street and Baker Street? Or could maybe even involve the 18? It's also a long route that probably suffers from the congestion along the Euston Road. I know many passengers use the 18 from Wembley/Harlesden/etc into Central London, but I'm not sure if Baker Street and Euston are the most useful Central destinations? Perhaps the 18 could divert at Edgware Road to terminate at Marble Arch, giving the Harrow Road corridor a direct link to Oxford Street? Could use the stand near Selfridges that had been intended for the 94? Then have a new route take over part of the 18 and 205 from Kings Cross to Paddington, then maybe overlapping the 18 for a short while and turning off to Ladbroke Grove Sainsburys, with the potential to later serve Kensal Canalside developments, Old Oak Common and Park Royal?
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 6, 2023 19:26:14 GMT
Route 205 is frequently unreliable. With gaps of 15-20 minutes not being infrequent, followed by 2-3 buses in quick succession. A more regular service will help boost its usefulness as a major station connector route. 205 split into 2 overlapping sections as follows: 205 - Paddington (Cleveland Terrace) <-> Aldgate Bus Station or Liverpool Street Station every 10-12 minutes 305 - Bow Church <-> Euston Bus Station every 10-12 minutes This split aims to reduce broken links. All major railway termini remain accessible on a single journey without a change. Bow Church and the East End maintain a direct route to Shoreditch, Old Street, KX and Euston. N205 unchanged. I rather just increase the frequency a tad from 7bph to 8bph (8-9 and 7-8 mins respectively).The 205 has always had some issues with buses bunching, but is surprisingly pretty reliable given its length. A modest frequency increase or probably an extra minute for dwell times in King's Cross, Euston and Liverpool Street on the current timetable should suffice.
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 10, 2023 18:00:07 GMT
Here's my answer to the overcrowding in South Ealing. New Route: North Acton to Richmond Hill, Queens Road Via Wales Farm Road, Leamington Park, Horn Lane, Noel Road, Princes Gardens for West Acton Station, Queen's Drive, North Ealing Station, Madeley Road, Ealing Broadway Station- then via route 65 to South Ealing, Brentford and Kew Bridge- then Kew Road, Kew Gardens Road, Kew Gardens Station, Sandycombe Road, Manor Circus, Lower Mortlake Road, Richmond Circus, Kew Road, Richmond Station, The Quadrant, Sheen Road (return Paradise Road, Church Terrace, Wakefield Road for Richmond bus station, Lewis Road, Red Lion Street, George Street), Church Road, Mount Ararat Road, Friars Stile Road and Richmond Hill. PVR: 14 Journey time: 64-66 mins Type: Double deckers Frequency: Every 12 mins Mon-Sat daytimes, 15 mins evenings and Sundays, 20 mins late evenings. Potential Operators: Abellio (TF), RATP (FW), Metroline (AH, WJ) Pros: - provides much needed support over the 65 section in South Ealing - provides an alternative route to Ealing from Richmond - opens up local journeys from Richmond Hill to the town centre - opens up local journeys from the North Acton area to the shopping district in Ealing Cons: - potential overbussing of the Ealing- South Ealing- Brentford corridor - Kew Gardens Road and Sandycombe Road may struggle to take another route - thin patronage northeast of Ealing Broadway between weekday peaks - potentially upset residents on Madeley Road by using deckers This is my solution to the South Ealing problem, instead of the E1's extension to Osterley Tesco. The 65's frequency would be decreased as a result (every 7-8 mins in the peaks). As always, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by secretbu5dude on Oct 11, 2023 11:39:09 GMT
Here's my answer to the overcrowding in South Ealing. New Route: North Acton to Richmond Hill, Queens Road Via Wales Farm Road, Leamington Park, Horn Lane, Noel Road, Princes Gardens for West Acton Station, Queen's Drive, North Ealing Station, Madeley Road, Ealing Broadway Station- then via route 65 to South Ealing, Brentford and Kew Bridge- then Kew Road, Kew Gardens Road, Kew Gardens Station, Sandycombe Road, Manor Circus, Lower Mortlake Road, Richmond Circus, Kew Road, Richmond Station, The Quadrant, Sheen Road (return Paradise Road, Church Terrace, Wakefield Road for Richmond bus station, Lewis Road, Red Lion Street, George Street), Church Road, Mount Ararat Road, Friars Stile Road and Richmond Hill. PVR: 14 Journey time: 64-66 mins Type: Double deckers Frequency: Every 12 mins Mon-Sat daytimes, 15 mins evenings and Sundays, 20 mins late evenings. Potential Operators: Abellio (TF), RATP (FW), Metroline (AH, WJ) Pros: - provides much needed support over the 65 section in South Ealing - provides an alternative route to Ealing from Richmond - opens up local journeys from Richmond Hill to the town centre - opens up local journeys from the North Acton area to the shopping district in Ealing Cons: - potential overbussing of the Ealing- South Ealing- Brentford corridor - Kew Gardens Road and Sandycombe Road may struggle to take another route - thin patronage northeast of Ealing Broadway between weekday peaks - potentially upset residents on Madeley Road by using deckers This is my solution to the South Ealing problem, instead of the E1's extension to Osterley Tesco. The 65's frequency would be decreased as a result (every 7-8 mins in the peaks). As always, any feedback would be greatly appreciated. That gate thing on Queens Drive would have to shift to allow any bus through 👀 cool route though 😁
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 11, 2023 20:39:50 GMT
Here's my answer to the overcrowding in South Ealing. New Route: North Acton to Richmond Hill, Queens Road Via Wales Farm Road, Leamington Park, Horn Lane, Noel Road, Princes Gardens for West Acton Station, Queen's Drive, North Ealing Station, Madeley Road, Ealing Broadway Station- then via route 65 to South Ealing, Brentford and Kew Bridge- then Kew Road, Kew Gardens Road, Kew Gardens Station, Sandycombe Road, Manor Circus, Lower Mortlake Road, Richmond Circus, Kew Road, Richmond Station, The Quadrant, Sheen Road (return Paradise Road, Church Terrace, Wakefield Road for Richmond bus station, Lewis Road, Red Lion Street, George Street), Church Road, Mount Ararat Road, Friars Stile Road and Richmond Hill. PVR: 14 Journey time: 64-66 mins Type: Double deckers Frequency: Every 12 mins Mon-Sat daytimes, 15 mins evenings and Sundays, 20 mins late evenings. Potential Operators: Abellio (TF), RATP (FW), Metroline (AH, WJ) Pros: - provides much needed support over the 65 section in South Ealing - provides an alternative route to Ealing from Richmond - opens up local journeys from Richmond Hill to the town centre - opens up local journeys from the North Acton area to the shopping district in Ealing Cons: - potential overbussing of the Ealing- South Ealing- Brentford corridor - Kew Gardens Road and Sandycombe Road may struggle to take another route - thin patronage northeast of Ealing Broadway between weekday peaks - potentially upset residents on Madeley Road by using deckers This is my solution to the South Ealing problem, instead of the E1's extension to Osterley Tesco. The 65's frequency would be decreased as a result (every 7-8 mins in the peaks). As always, any feedback would be greatly appreciated. That gate thing on Queens Drive would have to shift to allow any bus through 👀 cool route though 😁 A couple signs saying bus gate and we're good to go! I admit that I didn't copiously scan Street View as most of the roads are already served by buses. Apart from erecting a few bus stops at either end of the route and a slight restructuring at Sawyer's Hill for buses to turn, there's not any heavy investment for street works to make this route viable. South Ealing really gets a raw deal if the 65 spaffs up the wall, and I don't think an extended E1 would provide links customers desire in that area.
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Post by COBO on Oct 11, 2023 23:00:54 GMT
This is to deal with the constant roadworks that HS2 cause.
105: withdraw the daytime between Greenford Broadway and Greenford Station. Reroute the night service between Greenford Road Greenford Station via Ingram Way and Oldfield Lane North. Extended from Greenford Station to Westway Cross via Rockware Avenue and Green Park Way. 305: a new route running between Wembley and Southall via Montrose Crescent, Station Grove, Union Road, Ealing Road, Alperton Station, Bridgewater Road, Whitton Avenue East, Sudbury Town Station, Greenford Road, route 92 to Greenford Broadway, Ruislip Road, Lady Margaret Road, 120 to South Road and Hamilton Road. To maintain links lost by the 105. 395: withdrawn between Oldfield Lane North and Westway Cross. Diverted to Perivale via Greenford Station, A40 slip Road, Greenford Roundabout, Western Avenue, South Greenford Station, Teignmouth Gardens and Biddeford Avenue. To link Greenford with Perivale. E1: Extended from Greenford Broadway to Westway Cross via Greenford Road, Greenford Roundabout, Ingram Way, Oldfield Lane North, Greenford Station, Berkeley Avenue, Greenford Road and Green Park Way. To link North Greenford with Ealing Broadway. E6: extended from Greenford Station to Wood End via Greenford Road, Oldfield Lane North, Currey Road, Oldfield Circus, Whitton Avenue West, Wood End Lane and route 398 to Wood End. To link Wood End with Greenford Station. Reroute the Greenford bound between Greenford Station and Greenford Roundabout via Ingrem Way and Oldfield Lane North.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 12, 2023 18:13:31 GMT
E1: Extended from Greenford Broadway to Westway Cross via Greenford Road, Greenford Roundabout, Ingram Way, Oldfield Lane North, Greenford Station, Berkeley Avenue, Greenford Road and Green Park Way. To link North Greenford with Ealing Broadway. Forgive me as I am much better clued up about Ealing Broadway and points south (the 65 corridor and environs) than north, but with the proposed extension of the E1 to South Ealing and Osterley, would your extension at the other end make the route too long? Or is your intention that the E1 does not receive the southern extension and only receives your northern extension instead?
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Post by COBO on Oct 12, 2023 18:15:08 GMT
E1: Extended from Greenford Broadway to Westway Cross via Greenford Road, Greenford Roundabout, Ingram Way, Oldfield Lane North, Greenford Station, Berkeley Avenue, Greenford Road and Green Park Way. To link North Greenford with Ealing Broadway. Forgive me as I am much better clued up about Ealing Broadway and points south (the 65 corridor and environs) than north, but with the proposed extension of the E1 to South Ealing and Osterley, would your extension at the other end make the route too long? Or is your intention that the E1 does not receive the southern extension and only receives your northern extension instead? No it won’t be too long it’s just a little extension to somewhere north of Greenford Broadway.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 12, 2023 18:15:57 GMT
Forgive me as I am much better clued up about Ealing Broadway and points south (the 65 corridor and environs) than north, but with the proposed extension of the E1 to South Ealing and Osterley, would your extension at the other end make the route too long? Or is your intention that the E1 does not receive the southern extension and only receives your northern extension instead? No it won’t be too long it’s just a little extension to somewhere north of Greenford Broadway. Fair enough - I bow to your better judgment.
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