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Post by COBO on Oct 22, 2023 20:42:47 GMT
206: discontinued. 303: extended from Kingsbury to Kilburn Park via Fryent Way, The Paddocks and route 206 to Kilburn Park. Converted to double deck. To link Wembley Park with Edgware.
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Post by Busboy105 on Oct 22, 2023 21:42:33 GMT
206: discontinued. 303: extended from Kingsbury to Kilburn Park via Fryent Way, The Paddocks and route 206 to Kilburn Park. Converted to double deck. To link Wembley Park with Edgware. Wembley Park isn't far away from Wembley which is served by the 79 and 204 from Edgware which isn't a million miles away. The 206 is a really popular route;not sure if tinkering with its a good idea
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Post by britishguy54 on Oct 22, 2023 23:08:34 GMT
I think it’s possible Beam Park gets some kind of consultation in the future, once the station opens or is close to opening, so I imagine some of these points could be brought up to better serve the area.
287 - Increase in frequency from 4bph to 5bph. Maybe a night service of some kind?
365 - Havering Park services re-routed through Orchard Village. Extended from South Street to Beam Park Station.
Any other suggestions on improving the area within reason?
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Post by COBO on Oct 23, 2023 0:19:30 GMT
206: discontinued. 303: extended from Kingsbury to Kilburn Park via Fryent Way, The Paddocks and route 206 to Kilburn Park. Converted to double deck. To link Wembley Park with Edgware. Wembley Park isn't far away from Wembley which is served by the 79 and 204 from Edgware which isn't a million miles away. The 206 is a really popular route;not sure if tinkering with its a good idea Those two routes aren’t far but surely it wouldn’t hurt have a route going from Edgware to Wembley Park a route that actually links the two places than two routes that go nearby in Wembley. I can see some benefits having the two places linked.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 23, 2023 0:40:19 GMT
Wembley Park isn't far away from Wembley which is served by the 79 and 204 from Edgware which isn't a million miles away. The 206 is a really popular route;not sure if tinkering with its a good idea Those two routes aren’t far but surely it wouldn’t hurt have a route going from Edgware to Wembley Park a route that actually links the two places than two routes that go nearby in Wembley. I can see some benefits having the two places linked. What about existing passengers on both the 206 & 303 who may see a less reliable service as a result of merging the two together? The 206 does hit some nasty traffic conditions particularly at Wembley & at Brent Park and max running time of the 206 is 78 minutes whilst for the 303, it's 50 minutes meaning you will have a max running time of 128 minutes which is over 2 hours - far too long to operate. This is why I keep saying you can't simply merge every route together when many have their own purposes for existing in a separate form. The 79 & 204 both run from Edgware and serve Wembley High Road as already pointed out with a 18-20 minute walk to the stadium from the Park Lane stop or a one stop journey on the 483 or could even take the 79 from Edgware to Canons Park and then Jubilee a few stops to Wembley Park for the stadium instead.
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Post by COBO on Oct 23, 2023 1:21:45 GMT
Those two routes aren’t far but surely it wouldn’t hurt have a route going from Edgware to Wembley Park a route that actually links the two places than two routes that go nearby in Wembley. I can see some benefits having the two places linked. What about existing passengers on both the 206 & 303 who may see a less reliable service as a result of merging the two together? The 206 does hit some nasty traffic conditions particularly at Wembley & at Brent Park and max running time of the 206 is 78 minutes whilst for the 303, it's 50 minutes meaning you will have a max running time of 128 minutes which is over 2 hours - far too long to operate. This is why I keep saying you can't simply merge every route together when many have their own purposes for existing in a separate form. The 79 & 204 both run from Edgware and serve Wembley High Road as already pointed out with a 18-20 minute walk to the stadium from the Park Lane stop or a one stop journey on the 483 or could even take the 79 from Edgware to Canons Park and then Jubilee a few stops to Wembley Park for the stadium instead. Or what about extending the 303 to Brent Park?
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Post by Busboy105 on Oct 23, 2023 4:53:26 GMT
What about existing passengers on both the 206 & 303 who may see a less reliable service as a result of merging the two together? The 206 does hit some nasty traffic conditions particularly at Wembley & at Brent Park and max running time of the 206 is 78 minutes whilst for the 303, it's 50 minutes meaning you will have a max running time of 128 minutes which is over 2 hours - far too long to operate. This is why I keep saying you can't simply merge every route together when many have their own purposes for existing in a separate form. The 79 & 204 both run from Edgware and serve Wembley High Road as already pointed out with a 18-20 minute walk to the stadium from the Park Lane stop or a one stop journey on the 483 or could even take the 79 from Edgware to Canons Park and then Jubilee a few stops to Wembley Park for the stadium instead. Or what about extending the 303 to Brent Park? Where in Brent Park are you thinking?
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Post by COBO on Oct 23, 2023 5:18:37 GMT
Or what about extending the 303 to Brent Park? Where in Brent Park are you thinking? The superstores.
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Post by Busboy105 on Oct 23, 2023 5:19:56 GMT
Where in Brent Park are you thinking? The superstores. Is there enough space?
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Post by COBO on Oct 23, 2023 5:23:11 GMT
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Post by aaron1 on Oct 23, 2023 6:25:52 GMT
266 have a small rerouting down Anson Road then via the Crown that because bit of Chichele Road is offend block/stuck due to traffic on Cricklewood Lane and Badly Times Traffic Lights on Cricklewood Broadway that lets like 4 cars a turn
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Post by riverside on Oct 23, 2023 19:31:21 GMT
266 have a small rerouting down Anson Road then via the Crown that because bit of Chichele Road is offend block/stuck due to traffic on Cricklewood Lane and Badly Times Traffic Lights on Cricklewood Broadway that lets like 4 cars a turn Surely the solution is for traffic engineers to retime the traffic lights. The 266(and its predecessor the 666) has used this route for years, taking people to where they want to go. Hopefully TfL can arrange for the traffic light phasings to be retimed.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 25, 2023 21:40:28 GMT
New Addington/Biggin Hill changes 130 - withdrawn between New Addington and Addington Village. Would still run to New Addington tram stop but direct via Lodge Lane. Would then be extended to Biggin Hill Valley, replacing part of the 464 (see below). Frequency reduced to 3-4bph (potentially 4bph on the Thornton Heath to New Addington section and 3bph as far as Biggin Hill)
466 - extended from Addington Village to New Addington via the current 130 route, replacing route 130. Gives areas like Fieldway an additional link to Croydon
R2 - would not be withdrawn, but instead extended/diverted to Tatsfield via the 464. To replace the 464. Other Orpington proposals bar the R6 and B14 would not go ahead in my proposal for the R2
464 - withdrawn, replaced by the 3 above routes.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 25, 2023 22:02:50 GMT
New Addington/Biggin Hill changes 130 - withdrawn between New Addington and Addington Village. Would still run to New Addington tram stop but direct via Lodge Lane. Would then be extended to Biggin Hill Valley, replacing part of the 464 (see below). Frequency reduced to 3-4bph (potentially 4bph on the Thornton Heath to New Addington section and 3bph as far as Biggin Hill) 466 - extended from Addington Village to New Addington via the current 130 route, replacing route 130. Gives areas like Fieldway an additional link to Croydon R2 - would not be withdrawn, but instead extended/diverted to Tatsfield via the 464. To replace the 464. Other Orpington proposals bar the R6 and B14 would not go ahead in my proposal for the R2 464 - withdrawn, replaced by the 3 above routes. The 130's longer buses are unsuitable for the 464 beyond New Addington as the routing between there and Biggin Hill is mainly via narrow country lanes. Extending the 466 doesn't make much sense when the 64, 130, 314 & Tram are plenty between New Addington & Addington. Personally, I don't support any of the above changes.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 26, 2023 8:19:50 GMT
New Addington/Biggin Hill changes 130 - withdrawn between New Addington and Addington Village. Would still run to New Addington tram stop but direct via Lodge Lane. Would then be extended to Biggin Hill Valley, replacing part of the 464 (see below). Frequency reduced to 3-4bph (potentially 4bph on the Thornton Heath to New Addington section and 3bph as far as Biggin Hill) 466 - extended from Addington Village to New Addington via the current 130 route, replacing route 130. Gives areas like Fieldway an additional link to Croydon R2 - would not be withdrawn, but instead extended/diverted to Tatsfield via the 464. To replace the 464. Other Orpington proposals bar the R6 and B14 would not go ahead in my proposal for the R2 464 - withdrawn, replaced by the 3 above routes. I don't think TfL would sanction the 466 extension into New Addington as it would take custom away from Tramlink. The 130 extension to Biggin Hill would have some merit if it weren't for the narrow lanes which would rule out a more frequent service with larger buses.
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