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Post by gwiwer on Jan 13, 2024 22:06:29 GMT
Can’t see much value in extending the N29 to Ponders End, especially when the N279 runs alongside it from Trafalgar Square to Manor House and also serves Ponders End. No night bus runs through Southbury Road so it would be helpful if N29 had that minor extension. What is the traffic objective along Southbury Road which you would serve? The area is within reasonable walking distance of existing night bus routes and I cannot see a specific traffic objective such as a major night-life venue or dense housing which needs such a service.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 13, 2024 22:17:37 GMT
No night bus runs through Southbury Road so it would be helpful if N29 had that minor extension. What is the traffic objective along Southbury Road which you would serve? The area is within reasonable walking distance of existing night bus routes and I cannot see a specific traffic objective such as a major night-life venue or dense housing which needs such a service. It used to run to Ponders End with additional journeys to Wood Green from TSQ. According to the 2001 Out & About guide it was every 10 to Wood Green, 20 to Enfield Town and every 20-40 mins to Ponders End
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 13, 2024 22:50:55 GMT
lol, that is a pipe dream, not enough space in the garage to take a standing route. I also do not see the point of the extension for it to just be walking distance from the 34. The point of 251’s extension is to give access from Arnos Grove to Palmers Green Railway Station and the high street of Palmers Green. If there is no space then potentially, 251 can be merged with W6 (extend 251 to Edmonton Green through W6’s way) then increase the frequency of 121 from Palmers Green to Southgate then withdraw the W6. This seems to be a bit of getting your crayons out, no offence. But I do not see the point or need of this. There is hardly much people wanting to get to Palmers Green rail station from Arnos Grove. Even still, this is easily achieved via a 34 then 329/121
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Post by sdaniel on Jan 14, 2024 0:21:22 GMT
The point of 251’s extension is to give access from Arnos Grove to Palmers Green Railway Station and the high street of Palmers Green. If there is no space then potentially, 251 can be merged with W6 (extend 251 to Edmonton Green through W6’s way) then increase the frequency of 121 from Palmers Green to Southgate then withdraw the W6. This seems to be a bit of getting your crayons out, no offence. But I do not see the point or need of this. There is hardly much people wanting to get to Palmers Green rail station from Arnos Grove. Even still, this is easily achieved via a 34 then 329/121 That is your opinion. As a resident of the area, I don't like the fact of having to walk up Green Lanes from NCR to get to the high road of Palmers Green or even wait for another bus for some time just to go up for 2 or 3 stops when a short bus has the chance of extension. Plus TFL come up with unexpected consultations sometimes, so dont be surprised if this is 1 of them.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 14, 2024 0:30:42 GMT
This seems to be a bit of getting your crayons out, no offence. But I do not see the point or need of this. There is hardly much people wanting to get to Palmers Green rail station from Arnos Grove. Even still, this is easily achieved via a 34 then 329/121 That is your opinion. As a resident of the area, I don't like the fact of having to walk up Green Lanes from NCR to get to the high road of Palmers Green or even wait for another bus for some time just to go up for 2 or 3 stops when a short bus has the chance of extension. Plus TFL come up with unexpected consultations sometimes, so dont be surprised if this is 1 of them. You do forget that Aldermans Hill does flare up in the peak (evening peak mostly) so that could mess up reliability)
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Post by cardinal on Jan 14, 2024 9:12:03 GMT
Commercial tourist season route
Chiswick House / Edensor Road Via E3 to Turnham Green Via 110 to Kew Green Via 65 to Richmond Station Via 371 to Ham Dysart Ave Via 65 to Kingston Via 411 to Hampton Court Station
This would link Chiswick House Kew Gardens Richmond Park Ham House Hampton Court Palace Bushy Park Hampton Court Park Plus pass close by the water and steam museum.
Crossing Kew Bridge, Kingston Bridge and Hampton Court Bridge.
Some morning and early afternoon trips could start from Victoria area and run non stop to Chiswick House via A4 returning early afternoon and evening.
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Post by kmkcheng on Jan 14, 2024 9:57:04 GMT
The 251 can’t be merged with the W6 - for starters, they both use different lengths of vehicles with the W6 using 9.6m MMC’s for good reasons and the 251 in the process of seeing its 10.8m electric Volvos enter service. On top, I doubt W6 or 251 passengers would be thrilled at the reliability of either route now that it would merged into one lengthy affair. As someone not from the area, why is a link between Arnos Grove & Palmers Green so important? Because Palmers Green is a residential area and has the railway station so that people from Arnos Grove won’t have to walk all the way. Piccadilly line passengers could use other stations along the line such as Wood Green, Bounds Green or Southgate to get a bus towards the Palmers Green area
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Post by WH241 on Jan 14, 2024 10:24:00 GMT
This seems to be a bit of getting your crayons out, no offence. But I do not see the point or need of this. There is hardly much people wanting to get to Palmers Green rail station from Arnos Grove. Even still, this is easily achieved via a 34 then 329/121 That is your opinion. As a resident of the area, I don't like the fact of having to walk up Green Lanes from NCR to get to the high road of Palmers Green or even wait for another bus for some time just to go up for 2 or 3 stops when a short bus has the chance of extension. Plus TFL come up with unexpected consultations sometimes, so dont be surprised if this is 1 of them. We would all like buses to go places that suite our personal needs but in reality you just have accept on occasions you will have to change buses. With hopper fares its even harder to argue the need for a bus to link two places.
It's impossible to link everywhere and that's the problem with a lot of the ideas here and the phrase "To rob Peter to pay Paul" come to mind on occasions.
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Post by mkay315 on Jan 14, 2024 10:29:49 GMT
Reading over these suggestions and looking at some stuff on this thread I think I've put two and two together. But I'll continue to sit this one out. It's very interesting on the timings on accounts created.
*throws smoke bombs on the ground and disappears*
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Post by WH241 on Jan 14, 2024 11:11:03 GMT
Reading over these suggestions and looking at some stuff on this thread I think I've put two and two together. But I'll continue to sit this one out. It's very interesting on the timings on accounts created. *throws smoke bombs on the ground and disappears* I have been biting my lip! You have read my mind 🤣😁😬
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 14, 2024 11:57:29 GMT
Because Palmers Green is a residential area and has the railway station so that people from Arnos Grove won’t have to walk all the way. Piccadilly line passengers could use other stations along the line such as Wood Green, Bounds Green or Southgate to get a bus towards the Palmers Green area Or just take a Great Northern service directly from Palmers Green, and change to the tube at Finsbury Park if needed?
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 14, 2024 20:24:39 GMT
Remember when the Central London Bus Consultation happened in 2022 27 (24hr): Clapham Junction - Chalk Farm 328: Hammersmith - Golders Green C3 - Withdrawn N31 - Withdrawn I feel like they should went ahead with most of these proposed changes and just kept N31 and rerouted it to either Hammersmith Bus Station, Turnham Green or Chiswick Business Park which was where 27’s old termination used to be but still starting from Camden Town. Do you guys agree with me here? Instead of having the N27 borne for the sole purpose of actually being truncated by a stop in Hammersmith, just extend the N27 over to Hounslow bus station over the N9. The route needs support, especially seeing as TfL is criminally starving it of the frequency it needs for such a long route. The extension of the 27N to Chiswick Business Park from Turnham Green did nothing but provide relief for one stop; the lack of a Gunnersbury Station stop meant an unfavourably long walk from the terminus. A meaningful extension through to Hounslow would relieve the N9 in the Chiswick and Brentford areas. Apart from suggesting against any extension of a central London route to replace the C3, there aren't really any viable alternatives that minimise disruption. The 219 is the best candidate to pull out of Clapham to cover the C3 but with total off-peak journey times encroaching 80 minutes, that's probably a no-go as well.
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Post by cardinal on Jan 14, 2024 22:06:16 GMT
Remember when the Central London Bus Consultation happened in 2022 27 (24hr): Clapham Junction - Chalk Farm 328: Hammersmith - Golders Green C3 - Withdrawn N31 - Withdrawn I feel like they should went ahead with most of these proposed changes and just kept N31 and rerouted it to either Hammersmith Bus Station, Turnham Green or Chiswick Business Park which was where 27’s old termination used to be but still starting from Camden Town. Do you guys agree with me here? Instead of having the N27 borne for the sole purpose of actually being truncated by a stop in Hammersmith, just extend the N27 over to Hounslow bus station over the N9. The route needs support, especially seeing as TfL is criminally starving it of the frequency it needs for such a long route. The extension of the 27N to Chiswick Business Park from Turnham Green did nothing but provide relief for one stop; the lack of a Gunnersbury Station stop meant an unfavourably long walk from the terminus. A meaningful extension through to Hounslow would relieve the N9 in the Chiswick and Brentford areas. Apart from suggesting against any extension of a central London route to replace the C3, there aren't really any viable alternatives that minimise disruption. The 219 is the best candidate to pull out of Clapham to cover the C3 but with total off-peak journey times encroaching 80 minutes, that's probably a no-go as well. The 27 is dying a slow death. It is not as busy as it once was. TfL hacked its western end probably because the people of Chiswick are quite wealthy - it’s not like Dalston or Hackney. But at night yes I do think it should carry on towards Chiswick or the N97 should.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 14, 2024 22:24:41 GMT
Instead of having the N27 borne for the sole purpose of actually being truncated by a stop in Hammersmith, just extend the N27 over to Hounslow bus station over the N9. The route needs support, especially seeing as TfL is criminally starving it of the frequency it needs for such a long route. The extension of the 27N to Chiswick Business Park from Turnham Green did nothing but provide relief for one stop; the lack of a Gunnersbury Station stop meant an unfavourably long walk from the terminus. A meaningful extension through to Hounslow would relieve the N9 in the Chiswick and Brentford areas. Apart from suggesting against any extension of a central London route to replace the C3, there aren't really any viable alternatives that minimise disruption. The 219 is the best candidate to pull out of Clapham to cover the C3 but with total off-peak journey times encroaching 80 minutes, that's probably a no-go as well. The 27 is dying a slow death. It is not as busy as it once was. TfL hacked its western end probably because the people of Chiswick are quite wealthy - it’s not like Dalston or Hackney. But at night yes I do think it should carry on towards Chiswick or the N97 should. Route 27 is still a popular service especially now route 23 has been removed from the Hammersmith-Kensington corridor. I think it was due to heavy traffic conditions on Chiswick High Road, it made its extension to Chiswick Business Park unviable to continue considering the length of the former route. Chiswick still has a plethora of bus services and is well served by the Underground and National Rail. I also disagree that it should be extended at night, night bus N9 should instead be increased in frequency to every 20 minutes.
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 15, 2024 2:11:22 GMT
Instead of having the N27 borne for the sole purpose of actually being truncated by a stop in Hammersmith, just extend the N27 over to Hounslow bus station over the N9. The route needs support, especially seeing as TfL is criminally starving it of the frequency it needs for such a long route. The extension of the 27N to Chiswick Business Park from Turnham Green did nothing but provide relief for one stop; the lack of a Gunnersbury Station stop meant an unfavourably long walk from the terminus. A meaningful extension through to Hounslow would relieve the N9 in the Chiswick and Brentford areas. Apart from suggesting against any extension of a central London route to replace the C3, there aren't really any viable alternatives that minimise disruption. The 219 is the best candidate to pull out of Clapham to cover the C3 but with total off-peak journey times encroaching 80 minutes, that's probably a no-go as well. The 27 is dying a slow death. It is not as busy as it once was. TfL hacked its western end probably because the people of Chiswick are quite wealthy - it’s not like Dalston or Hackney. But at night yes I do think it should carry on towards Chiswick or the N97 should. During the day the 27 holds its own. Reduced frequencies, unique central London links and the removal of the 88 round the corner link at Warren Street sees very well subscribed buses on the 27, at least North of Notting Hill Gate. It's also a low-scale tourist route; Google Camden and a bus on the 27 from the past two decades is prominent in most pictures. The N97 is 3bph during weeknights, so probably isn't a good match in resources to extend it over the N27. The 27 is dying a slow death. It is not as busy as it once was. TfL hacked its western end probably because the people of Chiswick are quite wealthy - it’s not like Dalston or Hackney. But at night yes I do think it should carry on towards Chiswick or the N97 should. Route 27 is still a popular service especially now route 23 has been removed from the Hammersmith-Kensington corridor. I think it was due to heavy traffic conditions on Chiswick High Road, it made its extension to Chiswick Business Park unviable to continue considering the length of the former route. Chiswick still has a plethora of bus services and is well served by the Underground and National Rail. I also disagree that it should be extended at night, night bus N9 should instead be increased in frequency to every 20 minutes. TfL are hesitant to reinstate the N9's 20 min frequency, hence suggesting sending the N27 to Hounslow. It'll give a combined 4bph from AV to High Street Ken, a section of the N9 where there aren't any alternatives. As well as providing assistance on the Hammersmith-Brentford-Hounslow corridor, an extended N27 would introduce new links. The aforementioned unique links into Paddington, Baker Street, Warren Street and Camden could prove attractive around Hounslow.
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