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Post by cardinal on Jan 15, 2024 3:40:50 GMT
The 27 is dying a slow death. It is not as busy as it once was. TfL hacked its western end probably because the people of Chiswick are quite wealthy - it’s not like Dalston or Hackney. But at night yes I do think it should carry on towards Chiswick or the N97 should. Route 27 is still a popular service especially now route 23 has been removed from the Hammersmith-Kensington corridor. I think it was due to heavy traffic conditions on Chiswick High Road, it made its extension to Chiswick Business Park unviable to continue considering the length of the former route. Chiswick still has a plethora of bus services and is well served by the Underground and National Rail. I also disagree that it should be extended at night, night bus N9 should instead be increased in frequency to every 20 minutes. Well national rail doesn’t really play a part along the Chiswick High Road unless you’re thinking of Kew Bridge, You could extend the N27 to say Chiswick Roundabout which would be cheaper than increasing the duties on the N9.
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 15, 2024 12:23:31 GMT
New on the server here figured I've come up with some ideas for improving some buses, in particular my set of proposals revolving around routes 163,490 & 493:
1. Route 493 would be withdrawn between Tooting St George's Hospital & Wimbledon, would stand in Wimbledon bus station. At the same time the 493 would receive a small extension on its Richmond end to terminate at Pools on the Park. As a local to the 493 I can say that it has reliability issues that need to be addressed, as the current 493 I think is too long to operate & runs through many traffic hotspots. Hence the proposal to cut it back to Wimbledon. 2. The 163 would be extended from Wimbledon to Tooting St George's via the current 493's LOR, providing more capacity, 163 is also much shorter than the 493. 3. The 490 would be withdrawn between Pools On The Park & Richmond Bus Station, standing where the 493 currently stands. At the same time the 490 will be converted to double deck operation using some spare E400 MMC's from FUlwell, The 490 needs to be decked it gets extremely busy a lot of the time.
Thoughts on these set of proposals?
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 15, 2024 12:28:20 GMT
New on the server here figured I've come up with some ideas for improving some buses, in particular my set of proposals revolving around routes 163,490 & 493: 1. Route 493 would be withdrawn between Tooting St George's Hospital & Wimbledon, would stand in Wimbledon bus station. At the same time the 493 would receive a small extension on its Richmond end to terminate at Pools on the Park. As a local to the 493 I can say that it has reliability issues that need to be addressed, as the current 493 I think is too long to operate & runs through many traffic hotspots. Hence the proposal to cut it back to Wimbledon. 2. The 163 would be extended from Wimbledon to Tooting St George's via the current 493's LOR, providing more capacity, 163 is also much shorter than the 493. 3. The 490 would be withdrawn between Pools On The Park & Richmond Bus Station, standing where the 493 currently stands. At the same time the 490 will be converted to double deck operation using some spare E400 MMC's from FUlwell, The 490 needs to be decked it gets extremely busy a lot of the time. Thoughts on these set of proposals? Completely disagree, the 163 is perfectly designed to be a small but heavily used route. I think it would suffer dramatically from an extension. I think the only change the 493 needs is a frequency increase and to be converted to double decker to resolve capacity issues.
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 15, 2024 12:38:14 GMT
New on the server here figured I've come up with some ideas for improving some buses, in particular my set of proposals revolving around routes 163,490 & 493: 1. Route 493 would be withdrawn between Tooting St George's Hospital & Wimbledon, would stand in Wimbledon bus station. At the same time the 493 would receive a small extension on its Richmond end to terminate at Pools on the Park. As a local to the 493 I can say that it has reliability issues that need to be addressed, as the current 493 I think is too long to operate & runs through many traffic hotspots. Hence the proposal to cut it back to Wimbledon. 2. The 163 would be extended from Wimbledon to Tooting St George's via the current 493's LOR, providing more capacity, 163 is also much shorter than the 493. 3. The 490 would be withdrawn between Pools On The Park & Richmond Bus Station, standing where the 493 currently stands. At the same time the 490 will be converted to double deck operation using some spare E400 MMC's from FUlwell, The 490 needs to be decked it gets extremely busy a lot of the time. Thoughts on these set of proposals? Completely disagree, the 163 is perfectly designed to be a small but heavily used route. I think it would suffer dramatically from an extension. I think the only change the 493 needs is a frequency increase and to be converted to double decker to resolve capacity issues.
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 15, 2024 12:45:13 GMT
493 can’t be decked due to it running on the narrow Southmead road. School route 639 specifically avoids that area. TfL also aren’t going to give a frequency increase on the 493, if anything they may reduce it like they did with the 170, hence the only other way to improve reliability is to curtail it to Wimbledon. I did also think about extending 164 to Tooting instead of 163 the reason I didn’t is because 280 from South of Rose Hill is likely faster, unless there is severe traffic in Mitcham. Morden needs a better link to the hospital though.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 15, 2024 12:51:10 GMT
New on the server here figured I've come up with some ideas for improving some buses, in particular my set of proposals revolving around routes 163,490 & 493: 1. Route 493 would be withdrawn between Tooting St George's Hospital & Wimbledon, would stand in Wimbledon bus station. At the same time the 493 would receive a small extension on its Richmond end to terminate at Pools on the Park. As a local to the 493 I can say that it has reliability issues that need to be addressed, as the current 493 I think is too long to operate & runs through many traffic hotspots. Hence the proposal to cut it back to Wimbledon. 2. The 163 would be extended from Wimbledon to Tooting St George's via the current 493's LOR, providing more capacity, 163 is also much shorter than the 493. 3. The 490 would be withdrawn between Pools On The Park & Richmond Bus Station, standing where the 493 currently stands. At the same time the 490 will be converted to double deck operation using some spare E400 MMC's from FUlwell, The 490 needs to be decked it gets extremely busy a lot of the time. Thoughts on these set of proposals? The 163 starting from Tooting means Morden bound buses would then have less capacity at Wimbledon Station for the influx of punters that's just come off the trains. For a station that has a tube terminus it needs to have empty buses starting from there (baring in mind the 163 starts from the Francis Grove stop on Worple Road).
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 15, 2024 13:25:00 GMT
I have come up with an alternative to the 493 proposals on the Wimbledon end to not mess with the reliability of the 163/164.
1. The 493 will still be cut back to Wimbledon Bus Station as proposed. Frequency will not change. 2. A new route numbered 494 will be introduced to run between Putney Heath Green Man & Tooting St George’s Hospital, running entirely via the current 493’s LOR, providing extra capacity between Putney Heath & Wimbledon. Route 494 will use some buses from the 493’s PVR cut as well as additional Enviro 200 darts from the 200 once the Optare Metrodeckers return to service on that route.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 15, 2024 13:47:37 GMT
I have come up with an alternative to the 493 proposals on the Wimbledon end to not mess with the reliability of the 163/164. 1. The 493 will still be cut back to Wimbledon Bus Station as proposed. Frequency will not change. 2. A new route numbered 494 will be introduced to run between Putney Heath Green Man & Tooting St George’s Hospital, running entirely via the current 493’s LOR, providing extra capacity between Putney Heath & Wimbledon. Route 494 will use some buses from the 493’s PVR cut as well as additional Enviro 200 darts from the 200 once the Optare Metrodeckers return to service on that route. None of those places have stand capacity for another route.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 15, 2024 14:57:00 GMT
493 can’t be decked due to it running on the narrow Southmead road. School route 639 specifically avoids that area. TfL also aren’t going to give a frequency increase on the 493, if anything they may reduce it like they did with the 170, hence the only other way to improve reliability is to curtail it to Wimbledon. I did also think about extending 164 to Tooting instead of 163 the reason I didn’t is because 280 from South of Rose Hill is likely faster, unless there is severe traffic in Mitcham. Morden needs a better link to the hospital though. I don't think Southmead Road is the reason, double deckers can quite easily run on roads narrower than that. I suspect Beaumont Road having some low trees is probably the more likely reason why the 639, for example, runs in both directions along Princes Way rather than following the 39 & 439 onto Beaumont Road.
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 15, 2024 15:02:06 GMT
Hmm ok I knew it was something on either Southmead or Beaumont road, whether that’s low trees or narrow roads. Thanks for clarifying that.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 15, 2024 15:09:41 GMT
493 can’t be decked due to it running on the narrow Southmead road. School route 639 specifically avoids that area. TfL also aren’t going to give a frequency increase on the 493, if anything they may reduce it like they did with the 170, hence the only other way to improve reliability is to curtail it to Wimbledon. I did also think about extending 164 to Tooting instead of 163 the reason I didn’t is because 280 from South of Rose Hill is likely faster, unless there is severe traffic in Mitcham. Morden needs a better link to the hospital though. I don't think Southmead Road is the reason, double deckers can quite easily run on roads narrower than that. I suspect Beaumont Road having some low trees is probably the more likely reason why the 639, for example, runs in both directions along Princes Way rather than following the 39 & 439 onto Beaumont Road. I'm not very familiar with the area but would it miss out too many roads if it went via the 639 routeing and went DD?
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 15, 2024 15:58:29 GMT
No it wouldn’t, not anything that isn’t covered by the 39 & the bus stops are walking distance away for normal people. Though I see a lot of elderly people on Beaumont Road around the Trinity Church area & I imagine they would be upset if any of them regularly use the 493 from Beaumont Road.
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Post by gwiwer on Jan 15, 2024 16:08:10 GMT
Why change the 490? The link to Pools isn't well used but is used by folk coming in from Twickenham. It's an excuse to provide a stand as much as anything since there never was a bus there. OK it's a leisure facility but not the busiest nor the biggest of its kind. Keep the 490 as-is but add an extra deck on top. I don' think there is a road restriction affecting that.
The 493 is long and tiresome. It's the only direct public transport link for many people to St. George's Hospital even if it takes them an hour to get there. It suffers from traffic delays at times in common with all routes through Barnes Common and Wimbledon. You fix that by better traffic management not by bisecting the route. TfL controls some of the roads involved.
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 15, 2024 16:18:38 GMT
There is an overhanging tree at Pools on the Park which is the entire reason the 490 isn’t decked so its stand would need to be swapped with another route if it were to become decked. There are also issues with the stands at Manor Circus atm but maybe once those clear the 490 could swap termini with the R70 (R68 restored to Kew Retail Park as well) to enable the route to become decked.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 15, 2024 16:25:59 GMT
Why change the 490? The link to Pools isn't well used but is used by folk coming in from Twickenham. It's an excuse to provide a stand as much as anything since there never was a bus there. OK it's a leisure facility but not the busiest nor the biggest of its kind. Keep the 490 as-is but add an extra deck on top. I don' think there is a road restriction affecting that. The 493 is long and tiresome. It's the only direct public transport link for many people to St. George's Hospital even if it takes them an hour to get there. It suffers from traffic delays at times in common with all routes through Barnes Common and Wimbledon. You fix that by better traffic management not by bisecting the route. TfL controls some of the roads involved. The only thing I will agree with is that St George’s needs better links from surrounding areas like Morden. I live on the Sutton side but I’d rather they unplug me than go to St Helier, absolute shithole. The last time I needed to go to A&E from my GP I specifically had him put it into St George’s as I was not going to St Helier.
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