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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 9:18:34 GMT
All that is needed is a computer and broadband yes but in the long term how many would be happy to use a personal computer and their own broadband long term. Also have to think about security issues for data etc. TfL has had the opportunity to reduce services already but has reinstated services such as the X68! Also think some weekend night frequencies have been reintroduced! Think some routes could easily be reduced slightly or cut back in the evening until we return to the OLD normal sooner rather than later. I would be very surprised if any company allows a non-business issued computer to connect to their networks ... huge security risk ... and lots of awkward questions to be answered when it goes horribly wrong. My company is doing this and asking staff to use personal mobile phones for business calls. Lots of other companies are doing the same, seen lots of horror stories where people have realised personal files are being uploaded to cloud storage. Anyway I'm going very off topic and will reply more about home working in the dedicated covid thread later.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2020 9:26:30 GMT
I would be very surprised if any company allows a non-business issued computer to connect to their networks ... huge security risk ... and lots of awkward questions to be answered when it goes horribly wrong. My company is doing this and asking staff to use personal mobile phones for business calls. Lots of other companies are doing the same, seen lots of horror stories where people have realised personal files are being uploaded to cloud storage. Anyway I'm going very off topic and will reply more about home working in the dedicated covid thread later. Phones are different, you should be able to reclaim a proportion of your bill back from your company. If you use a personal computer for business I dread to think how many data protection breaches are being committed.
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Post by londonboy71 on Aug 8, 2020 10:11:52 GMT
My company is doing this and asking staff to use personal mobile phones for business calls. Lots of other companies are doing the same, seen lots of horror stories where people have realised personal files are being uploaded to cloud storage. Anyway I'm going very off topic and will reply more about home working in the dedicated covid thread later. Phones are different, you should be able to reclaim a proportion of your bill back from your company. If you use a personal computer for business I dread to think how many data protection breaches are being committed. My point is that the working environment will be different and transport has to react to that
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2020 11:00:08 GMT
And remembering buses weren't full before Covid either.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 8, 2020 11:28:50 GMT
Phones are different, you should be able to reclaim a proportion of your bill back from your company. If you use a personal computer for business I dread to think how many data protection breaches are being committed. My point is that the working environment will be different and transport has to react to that A very good way of reacting would be to keep routes in as a good a form as possible, example instead of the 112 extension, this couldve been held long before the 232 contract renewal and the 232 could've been awarded with DDs and sustain a cutback to St Raphael's North/Brent Park Superstores with the 112, 611 kept as it is and the 224 takes on the loads into the estate. Tfl could take a chance and implement DRT in areas where bus usage is low and take a chance on something like that...
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2020 11:38:33 GMT
Phones are different, you should be able to reclaim a proportion of your bill back from your company. If you use a personal computer for business I dread to think how many data protection breaches are being committed. My point is that the working environment will be different and transport has to react to that It is all assumptions on what will happen either way - stuff has not long opened up so we won't know the full effects until a few months time.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2020 11:48:07 GMT
My point is that the working environment will be different and transport has to react to that It is all assumptions on what will happen either way - stuff has not long opened up so we won't know the full effects until a few months time. The problem is the Bailout won't last forever and buses aren't even carrying the 30-38 passengers which was the reason for returning to nearly full service with the Bailout to make up the difference. I rode a 378 from PB to Mortlake yday, and was 1 of 3 people on it ( and one had a freedom pass) then took a 209, excatly the same and everything bus in Barnes was the same. What is being shown is that the level of service still in excess of even allowing only 30 people on a DD . I'd look at some quick gains like the 21 temporarily cut to LB (rest covered by a lightly used 141) the 414 suspended outright for the next few months etc etc. It will be devastating for the future of public transport if TFL have to start borrowing money to prop it up once the Bailout is gone.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2020 12:43:55 GMT
It is all assumptions on what will happen either way - stuff has not long opened up so we won't know the full effects until a few months time. The problem is the Bailout won't last forever and buses aren't even carrying the 30-38 passengers which was the reason for returning to nearly full service with the Bailout to make up the difference. I rode a 378 from PB to Mortlake yday, and was 1 of 3 people on it ( and one had a freedom pass) then took a 209, excatly the same and everything bus in Barnes was the same. What is being shown is that the level of service still in excess of even allowing only 30 people on a DD . I'd look at some quick gains like the 21 temporarily cut to LB (rest covered by a lightly used 141) the 414 suspended outright for the next few months etc etc. It will be devastating for the future of public transport if TFL have to start borrowing money to prop it up once the Bailout is gone. The route & area you use as an example is a poor example because we all know that bus provision in Barnes is all over the place even before the pandemic with some routes quiet and others rammed like the 533 and the 378 has generally carried very small loads since it's introduction. The Bailout occurred because TfL's reserves had disappeared almost entirely (I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of that) and the return to service was a mix of mainly clawing revenue back but also to aid social distancing because no can accurately predict it. In Brixton, buses are getting busier & busier and I've even spotted buses that had more than the capacity they should have so it really depends on the area - there is no one size fits all solution. Don't take this the wrong way but your quick gains sound more like jumping the gun - it's far too soon to analyse the impact given routes have only recently returned to a normal service and some are still waiting to do so - in a few months, we'll know for better or for worse.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 8, 2020 12:48:12 GMT
It is all assumptions on what will happen either way - stuff has not long opened up so we won't know the full effects until a few months time. The problem is the Bailout won't last forever and buses aren't even carrying the 30-38 passengers which was the reason for returning to nearly full service with the Bailout to make up the difference. I rode a 378 from PB to Mortlake yday, and was 1 of 3 people on it ( and one had a freedom pass) then took a 209, excatly the same and everything bus in Barnes was the same. What is being shown is that the level of service still in excess of even allowing only 30 people on a DD . I'd look at some quick gains like the 21 temporarily cut to LB (rest covered by a lightly used 141) the 414 suspended outright for the next few months etc etc. It will be devastating for the future of public transport if TFL have to start borrowing money to prop it up once the Bailout is gone. Or TFL can break some eggs to make an omelette and improve their service by introducing things like Demand Responsive travel which would help them continue to profit in areas where there are little bus routes or bus usage is not very high.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2020 12:56:21 GMT
The problem is the Bailout won't last forever and buses aren't even carrying the 30-38 passengers which was the reason for returning to nearly full service with the Bailout to make up the difference. I rode a 378 from PB to Mortlake yday, and was 1 of 3 people on it ( and one had a freedom pass) then took a 209, excatly the same and everything bus in Barnes was the same. What is being shown is that the level of service still in excess of even allowing only 30 people on a DD . I'd look at some quick gains like the 21 temporarily cut to LB (rest covered by a lightly used 141) the 414 suspended outright for the next few months etc etc. It will be devastating for the future of public transport if TFL have to start borrowing money to prop it up once the Bailout is gone. Or TFL can break some eggs to make an omelette and improve their service by introducing things like Demand Responsive travel which would help them continue to profit in areas where there are little bus routes or bus usage is not very high. The failure of not only TfL but others around the UK, seem to suggest there is not any profit to be made from DRT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 12:56:33 GMT
The problem is the Bailout won't last forever and buses aren't even carrying the 30-38 passengers which was the reason for returning to nearly full service with the Bailout to make up the difference. I rode a 378 from PB to Mortlake yday, and was 1 of 3 people on it ( and one had a freedom pass) then took a 209, excatly the same and everything bus in Barnes was the same. What is being shown is that the level of service still in excess of even allowing only 30 people on a DD . I'd look at some quick gains like the 21 temporarily cut to LB (rest covered by a lightly used 141) the 414 suspended outright for the next few months etc etc. It will be devastating for the future of public transport if TFL have to start borrowing money to prop it up once the Bailout is gone. The route & area you use as an example is a poor example because we all know that bus provision in Barnes is all over the place even before the pandemic with some routes quiet and others rammed like the 533 and the 378 has generally carried very small loads since it's introduction. The Bailout occurred because TfL's reserves had disappeared almost entirely (I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of that) and the return to service was a mix of mainly clawing revenue back but also to aid social distancing because no can accurately predict it. In Brixton, buses are getting busier & busier and I've even spotted buses that had more than the capacity they should have so it really depends on the area - there is no one size fits all solution. Don't take this the wrong way but your quick gains sound more like jumping the gun - it's far too soon to analyse the impact given routes have only recently returned to a normal service and some are still waiting to do so - in a few months, we'll know for better or for worse. Talking of busy buses a EL1 I spotted at Ilford during the week was well over capacity.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2020 13:46:14 GMT
Or TFL can break some eggs to make an omelette and improve their service by introducing things like Demand Responsive travel which would help them continue to profit in areas where there are little bus routes or bus usage is not very high. The failure of not only TfL but others around the UK, seem to suggest there is not any profit to be made from DRT I believe your correct because correct me if I'm wrong but both schemes in London were deemed successful but were discontinued due to cost?
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 8, 2020 14:04:39 GMT
The failure of not only TfL but others around the UK, seem to suggest there is not any profit to be made from DRT I believe your correct because correct me if I'm wrong but both schemes in London were deemed successful but were discontinued due to cost? The Oxford scheme "Pick Me Up" was considered to be successful in terms of passenger numbers (capacity was sometimes an issue) but it did not break even so was discontinued after its two-year trial funding. The Go2 scheme in the Sevenoaks area is also considered successful, however this is subsidised by Kent County Council and replaces standard bus services which the Council was already funding, it just uses the resources differently. Roger French, former CEO of Go-Ahead Brighton & Hove, is of the opinion that DRT cannot be provided commercially, it needs to be funded in some way (he has written about this on his "Bus and Train User" blog which I follow). However the current Government may be more willing to fund such services as a way of encouraging modal shift away from cars.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2020 14:54:38 GMT
The problem is the Bailout won't last forever and buses aren't even carrying the 30-38 passengers which was the reason for returning to nearly full service with the Bailout to make up the difference. I rode a 378 from PB to Mortlake yday, and was 1 of 3 people on it ( and one had a freedom pass) then took a 209, excatly the same and everything bus in Barnes was the same. What is being shown is that the level of service still in excess of even allowing only 30 people on a DD . I'd look at some quick gains like the 21 temporarily cut to LB (rest covered by a lightly used 141) the 414 suspended outright for the next few months etc etc. It will be devastating for the future of public transport if TFL have to start borrowing money to prop it up once the Bailout is gone. The route & area you use as an example is a poor example because we all know that bus provision in Barnes is all over the place even before the pandemic with some routes quiet and others rammed like the 533 and the 378 has generally carried very small loads since it's introduction. The Bailout occurred because TfL's reserves had disappeared almost entirely (I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of that) and the return to service was a mix of mainly clawing revenue back but also to aid social distancing because no can accurately predict it. In Brixton, buses are getting busier & busier and I've even spotted buses that had more than the capacity they should have so it really depends on the area - there is no one size fits all solution. Don't take this the wrong way but your quick gains sound more like jumping the gun - it's far too soon to analyse the impact given routes have only recently returned to a normal service and some are still waiting to do so - in a few months, we'll know for better or for worse. Tbh whether Barnes or not there are examples all over inner and central London. As for tfls reserves being depleted it probably came about from not increasing fares to keep a reserve fund topped up over the past few years. Any safe business keeps a reserve fund and they probably should have aswell for a rainy day.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2020 15:02:09 GMT
It is all assumptions on what will happen either way - stuff has not long opened up so we won't know the full effects until a few months time. The problem is the Bailout won't last forever and buses aren't even carrying the 30-38 passengers which was the reason for returning to nearly full service with the Bailout to make up the difference. I rode a 378 from PB to Mortlake yday, and was 1 of 3 people on it ( and one had a freedom pass) then took a 209, excatly the same and everything bus in Barnes was the same. What is being shown is that the level of service still in excess of even allowing only 30 people on a DD . I'd look at some quick gains like the 21 temporarily cut to LB (rest covered by a lightly used 141) the 414 suspended outright for the next few months etc etc. It will be devastating for the future of public transport if TFL have to start borrowing money to prop it up once the Bailout is gone. Indeed and the empty 414 service has been mentioned before and I'm not sure the 21 extension to Newington Green was ever justified, the 141 is certainly more than adequate now. Just stand on London Bridge and watch all the near empty buses going back and forth, how much longer can it continue? Many firms in the City have said it will be next year at the earliest before any staff return and even that is doubtful. If the 47 was curtailed at London Bridge maybe Stagecoach could put a few double deckers on the 124 between Catford and Downham/Grove Park but not serving North Downham Estate. The single deckers with a capacity of 11 struggle at busy times.
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