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Post by ServerKing on Dec 19, 2023 21:48:26 GMT
After Government gave £250m, it seems TfL Board Finance Committee has been convened at short notice for extra meeting Friday 22nd Agenda mentions a new Business Plan, but no supporting papers yet, presumably there are significant changes to existing plan board.tfl.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=815&Ver=4I bet the fares go up a lot. I'm paying £184 a month for 1-3 Oyster, I bet it will be closer to £190 or worse come January. Best to buy an Oyster card this month before the hike... |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Dec 19, 2023 22:46:15 GMT
After Government gave £250m, it seems TfL Board Finance Committee has been convened at short notice for extra meeting Friday 22nd Agenda mentions a new Business Plan, but no supporting papers yet, presumably there are significant changes to existing plan board.tfl.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=815&Ver=4I bet the fares go up a lot. I'm paying £184 a month for 1-3 Oyster, I bet it will be closer to £190 or worse come January. Best to buy an Oyster card this month before the hike... I wonder how much a single bus journey will cost next year? I'm guessing it will go up by 10p to £1.85. |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 20, 2023 12:39:27 GMT
After Government gave £250m, it seems TfL Board Finance Committee has been convened at short notice for extra meeting Friday 22nd Agenda mentions a new Business Plan, but no supporting papers yet, presumably there are significant changes to existing plan board.tfl.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=815&Ver=4I bet the fares go up a lot. I'm paying £184 a month for 1-3 Oyster, I bet it will be closer to £190 or worse come January. Best to buy an Oyster card this month before the hike... Fare increases don't occur in January anymore. As a legacy of Covid in 2021 when the Government was asked to push the hikes back, they now occur in the first working week of March. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Dec 20, 2023 18:33:59 GMT
After Government gave £250m, it seems TfL Board Finance Committee has been convened at short notice for extra meeting Friday 22nd Agenda mentions a new Business Plan, but no supporting papers yet, presumably there are significant changes to existing plan board.tfl.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=815&Ver=4Might be related or not but I wonder if this meeting could be one of the causes that is delaying the announcement of London Bus tenders. I don't expect any tender announcements until in the new year now. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 20, 2023 19:18:53 GMT
After Government gave £250m, it seems TfL Board Finance Committee has been convened at short notice for extra meeting Friday 22nd Agenda mentions a new Business Plan, but no supporting papers yet, presumably there are significant changes to existing plan board.tfl.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=815&Ver=4Might be related or not but I wonder if this meeting could be one of the causes that is delaying the announcement of London Bus tenders. I don't expect any tender announcements until in the new year now. I was thinking the same. Whilst it obviously won't change the policy of new buses when needed, we could possibly see 5 or 7 year existing contracts if the possibly of the 2030 deadline has weakened. |
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Post by yunus on Dec 20, 2023 22:27:18 GMT
Might be related or not but I wonder if this meeting could be one of the causes that is delaying the announcement of London Bus tenders. I don't expect any tender announcements until in the new year now. I was thinking the same. Whilst it obviously won't change the policy of new buses when needed, we could possibly see 5 or 7 year existing contracts if the possibly of the 2030 deadline has weakened. Not too clued up but could TFL still meet 2030 without extra funding? I get the hint that everything is not made public and they could deep down be financially comfortable. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Dec 22, 2023 0:28:54 GMT
Board documents for later today now up: |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 14:31:32 GMT
After Government gave £250m, it seems TfL Board Finance Committee has been convened at short notice for extra meeting Friday 22nd Agenda mentions a new Business Plan, but no supporting papers yet, presumably there are significant changes to existing plan board.tfl.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=815&Ver=4No short term changes to any improvements/renewals planned just the following: “Following the confirmation of £250m in Government support for our capital investment programme, we have had to make difficult decisions about our business plan to ensure we can continue to deliver our vital programme of improvements. In order to achieve this, we are now finalising plans to rephase the timing of payments under the contract with Siemens Mobility, who are delivering the new walk-through and more energy efficient Piccadilly line trains that are currently under construction. This rephasing is not something we would have chosen to do, but we have ensured that it does not impact when the first new train will arrive in London for testing, nor the planned timetable uplift in 2027." tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-will-manage-to-deliver-a-full-programme-of-improvements-for-202425-as-set-out-in-its-draft-business-plan |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 22, 2023 15:09:15 GMT
After Government gave £250m, it seems TfL Board Finance Committee has been convened at short notice for extra meeting Friday 22nd Agenda mentions a new Business Plan, but no supporting papers yet, presumably there are significant changes to existing plan board.tfl.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=815&Ver=4No short term changes to any improvements/renewals planned just the following: “Following the confirmation of £250m in Government support for our capital investment programme, we have had to make difficult decisions about our business plan to ensure we can continue to deliver our vital programme of improvements. In order to achieve this, we are now finalising plans to rephase the timing of payments under the contract with Siemens Mobility, who are delivering the new walk-through and more energy efficient Piccadilly line trains that are currently under construction. This rephasing is not something we would have chosen to do, but we have ensured that it does not impact when the first new train will arrive in London for testing, nor the planned timetable uplift in 2027." tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-will-manage-to-deliver-a-full-programme-of-improvements-for-202425-as-set-out-in-its-draft-business-planPleasing to see the settlement allows for the procurement of the TramLink replacement fleet programme to commence. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 15:23:25 GMT
No short term changes to any improvements/renewals planned just the following: “Following the confirmation of £250m in Government support for our capital investment programme, we have had to make difficult decisions about our business plan to ensure we can continue to deliver our vital programme of improvements. In order to achieve this, we are now finalising plans to rephase the timing of payments under the contract with Siemens Mobility, who are delivering the new walk-through and more energy efficient Piccadilly line trains that are currently under construction. This rephasing is not something we would have chosen to do, but we have ensured that it does not impact when the first new train will arrive in London for testing, nor the planned timetable uplift in 2027." tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-will-manage-to-deliver-a-full-programme-of-improvements-for-202425-as-set-out-in-its-draft-business-planPleasing to see the settlement allows for the procurement of the TramLink replacement fleet programme to commence. It's very much needed, the trams have been neglected ever since the collapse of the Westfield Croydon project and Croydon Council. TfLs Trams 2030 proposal had plans for Morden Road - Phipps Bridge to be double-tracked and for the South Wimbledon link to be constructed by now with a loop on Dingwall road to also allow for 12 tph to New Addington. None of this has occurred and we are still in the same position as we were when these plans were proposed 7 years ago. |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 22, 2023 15:30:23 GMT
Pleasing to see the settlement allows for the procurement of the TramLink replacement fleet programme to commence. It's very much needed, the trams have been neglected ever since the collapse of the Westfield Croydon project and Croydon Council. TfLs Trams 2030 proposal had plans for Morden Road - Phipps Bridge to be double-tracked and for the South Wimbledon link to be construed by now with a loop on Dingwall road to also allow for 12 tph to New Addington. None of this has occurred and we are still in the same position as we were when these plans were proposed 7 years ago. Unfortunately I can't see any of the Tram 2030 proposals being implemented now other than fleet renewal ... but on a like for like basis, no longer trams |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2023 15:34:45 GMT
No short term changes to any improvements/renewals planned just the following: “Following the confirmation of £250m in Government support for our capital investment programme, we have had to make difficult decisions about our business plan to ensure we can continue to deliver our vital programme of improvements. In order to achieve this, we are now finalising plans to rephase the timing of payments under the contract with Siemens Mobility, who are delivering the new walk-through and more energy efficient Piccadilly line trains that are currently under construction. This rephasing is not something we would have chosen to do, but we have ensured that it does not impact when the first new train will arrive in London for testing, nor the planned timetable uplift in 2027." tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-will-manage-to-deliver-a-full-programme-of-improvements-for-202425-as-set-out-in-its-draft-business-planPleasing to see the settlement allows for the procurement of the TramLink replacement fleet programme to commence. Meanwhile, the poor Bakerloo continues to soldier on with life expired stock with no timescale on when they'll be replaced. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 22, 2023 19:11:54 GMT
Pleasing to see the settlement allows for the procurement of the TramLink replacement fleet programme to commence. Meanwhile, the poor Bakerloo continues to soldier on with life expired stock with no timescale on when they'll be replaced. I do still find it incredible that a bus from 2020 won't be allowed after 2030 yet the Bakerloo Line will be using trains from 1972 still. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 22, 2023 19:12:42 GMT
It's very much needed, the trams have been neglected ever since the collapse of the Westfield Croydon project and Croydon Council. TfLs Trams 2030 proposal had plans for Morden Road - Phipps Bridge to be double-tracked and for the South Wimbledon link to be construed by now with a loop on Dingwall road to also allow for 12 tph to New Addington. None of this has occurred and we are still in the same position as we were when these plans were proposed 7 years ago. Unfortunately I can't see any of the Tram 2030 proposals being implemented now other than fleet renewal ... but on a like for like basis, no longer trams Neither can I, all of those tram plans were pipe dreams. Just like the proposed Sutton link, poorly thought out. I’d much rather see a Bakerloo line extension be prioritised as they would provide the most to the most amount of people. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 22, 2023 19:41:16 GMT
Pleasing to see the settlement allows for the procurement of the TramLink replacement fleet programme to commence. It's very much needed, the trams have been neglected ever since the collapse of the Westfield Croydon project and Croydon Council. TfLs Trams 2030 proposal had plans for Morden Road - Phipps Bridge to be double-tracked and for the South Wimbledon link to be constructed by now with a loop on Dingwall road to also allow for 12 tph to New Addington. None of this has occurred and we are still in the same position as we were when these plans were proposed 7 years ago. That Dingwall Road loop idea all seemed a bit pie in the sky quite honestly and I don't see how 12tph to New Addington can be achieved without seriously delaying buses at East Croydon. I think double tracking Morden Road to Phipps Bridge should be the priority. |
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