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Post by vjaska on May 4, 2020 13:39:45 GMT
Honestly West Croydon is full and idk why they are extending the 433 there and the 455 being cut there. Imo the 455 should at least run to th old 433 stands The 433 extension plans are a long way off yet. At the present time I can see there being space to fit the 455 standing there. I'm guessing the 405/412/433 stand requirement was the same at West Croydon as the 250/264 stand requirement is now? |
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Post by TB123 on May 4, 2020 13:45:39 GMT
The 433 extension plans are a long way off yet. At the present time I can see there being space to fit the 455 standing there. I'm guessing the 405/412/433 stand requirement was the same at West Croydon as the 250/264 stand requirement is now? Exactly the same yes - 13 bph. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 14:22:34 GMT
I’ve always felt the stand in Morden needs a major rethink. One poorly parked bus at anytime of the day and a 93/470 and 80/164 at their stops and the whole area grinds to a halt. I know the council were looking at changing the road layout but they need to get on it soon.
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Post by LK65EBO on May 4, 2020 14:22:53 GMT
Hammersmith Bus St is quite full at times.
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Post by rift on May 4, 2020 14:41:32 GMT
North Greenwich, it's an awfully inefficient design in the first place. Imo all buses should enter as the 188 does and the island & main entrance removed meaning you can nearly double the stand capacity of the bus station and eliminate the need for them to loop back around after dropping people off. Also Bexleyheath however this could be solved if TFL actually considered what they were doing before awarding the 422 to SLN without much of an idea of where to stand it, on the first day all the timetables had it as running to the garage still. If TFL payed up and simply extend the 468 & 132 to the garage the problem of over capacity would vanish in a snap, the whole dropping off and looping around doesn't help to the capacity either of the bus stops. With up to 8x 422, 4x 401, 5x 301s all looping to drop off at the clocktower the demand for space is immense. Nothing should be cut however a more logical approach to standing buses in Bheath is required. If the B11 or B16 were to be lost by BX I would have no idea where they would stand at all now, likewise the 301 uses the emergency stop previously used for when the clocktower was shut, TFL have eliminated all contingency in Bexleyheath. The proposed frequency boost of the 132... I have no idea how either end will cope, really should just short runs Eltham-NG and utilise Eltham Bus Station which is possibly one of the most Under utilised terminals of all. North Greenwich could do with opening up the stands used when the main bus station is closed, as well as creating a new link to the station. Also, don't you think Bexleyheath is a fair bit long for the 468 to go from Croydon? 😉 Eltham Bus Station feels like a white elephant, so far from the high street, and used by 3 low-profile routes. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 4, 2020 15:39:36 GMT
I’ve always felt the stand in Morden needs a major rethink. One poorly parked bus at anytime of the day and a 93/470 and 80/164 at their stops and the whole area grinds to a halt. I know the council were looking at changing the road layout but they need to get on it soon. I'll second that. Iv be stuck on 80 and 93's waiting to get off and being stuck behind a 118/154 and 157 trying to reverse on to the stand. One solution I thought might be for the 93 and 164 to drop off and pick up at the stop where they do their driver changeovers. Downsides would be that the 163, 293 and 413 alight there and that they are before station which some people might not easily find. |
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Post by DT 11 on May 4, 2020 16:25:18 GMT
North Greenwich, it's an awfully inefficient design in the first place. Imo all buses should enter as the 188 does and the island & main entrance removed meaning you can nearly double the stand capacity of the bus station and eliminate the need for them to loop back around after dropping people off. Also Bexleyheath however this could be solved if TFL actually considered what they were doing before awarding the 422 to SLN without much of an idea of where to stand it, on the first day all the timetables had it as running to the garage still. If TFL payed up and simply extend the 468 & 132 to the garage the problem of over capacity would vanish in a snap, the whole dropping off and looping around doesn't help to the capacity either of the bus stops. With up to 8x 422, 4x 401, 5x 301s all looping to drop off at the clocktower the demand for space is immense. Nothing should be cut however a more logical approach to standing buses in Bheath is required. If the B11 or B16 were to be lost by BX I would have no idea where they would stand at all now, likewise the 301 uses the emergency stop previously used for when the clocktower was shut, TFL have eliminated all contingency in Bexleyheath. The proposed frequency boost of the 132... I have no idea how either end will cope, really should just short runs Eltham-NG and utilise Eltham Bus Station which is possibly one of the most Under utilised terminals of all. Not to mention apparently the 422s stand has been racking up its fair share of resident complaints too. I believe some 422s stand at Friswell Place after the evening peak is done. I do wonder why there wasn't an agreement with Go Ahead if the 486/132 swap was going to lose money. Stagecoach have the 171 standing in TL's forecourt and the forecourt at BX has a very similar layout so I wonder why it wasn't done. I don't get why either of the 132 or 486 aren't just sent to the garage, but then the obvious issue there is that should another operator then win the routes you'll be back to square one. Really what should have been done is the 422 have a stand made by BX so that the issue never arose in the first place. I'm not sure how much time 301s lose when there's a huge amount of traffic too. Before the 301 even began and I heard the standing arrangements. I had to say no thinking was done whatsoever sorry to say, the first few weeks of the 301 buses were being double parked blocking the road. Place High Frequency route on a 1 Bus Stand.., Early Running is going to happen, the 301 has too much running time between Long Lane & Bexleyheath, it is so timed that when one arrives at Bexleyheath the other is meant to have left at the same time. I suggested the 301 should take the 401s terminus because it would most certainly work out better for the 301 as two buses can pull up there. The 401 can easily use the other stand. In addition to North Greenwich I look forward to see where the 180 will find stand space when extended to North Greenwich |
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Post by DT 11 on May 4, 2020 16:40:54 GMT
North Greenwich, it's an awfully inefficient design in the first place. Imo all buses should enter as the 188 does and the island & main entrance removed meaning you can nearly double the stand capacity of the bus station and eliminate the need for them to loop back around after dropping people off. Also Bexleyheath however this could be solved if TFL actually considered what they were doing before awarding the 422 to SLN without much of an idea of where to stand it, on the first day all the timetables had it as running to the garage still. If TFL payed up and simply extend the 468 & 132 to the garage the problem of over capacity would vanish in a snap, the whole dropping off and looping around doesn't help to the capacity either of the bus stops. With up to 8x 422, 4x 401, 5x 301s all looping to drop off at the clocktower the demand for space is immense. Nothing should be cut however a more logical approach to standing buses in Bheath is required. If the B11 or B16 were to be lost by BX I would have no idea where they would stand at all now, likewise the 301 uses the emergency stop previously used for when the clocktower was shut, TFL have eliminated all contingency in Bexleyheath. The proposed frequency boost of the 132... I have no idea how either end will cope, really should just short runs Eltham-NG and utilise Eltham Bus Station which is possibly one of the most Under utilised terminals of all. Not to mention apparently the 422s stand has been racking up its fair share of resident complaints too. I believe some 422s stand at Friswell Place after the evening peak is done. I do wonder why there wasn't an agreement with Go Ahead if the 486/132 swap was going to lose money. Stagecoach have the 171 standing in TL's forecourt and the forecourt at BX has a very similar layout so I wonder why it wasn't done. I don't get why either of the 132 or 486 aren't just sent to the garage, but then the obvious issue there is that should another operator then win the routes you'll be back to square one. Really what should have been done is the 422 have a stand made by BX so that the issue never arose in the first place. I'm not sure how much time 301s lose when there's a huge amount of traffic too. There is pretty much no traffic on the 301 as well as the 401. Getting out of Woolwich is probably the only thing that can delay the 301 especially as at the moment it is using the Woolwich Ferry Roundabout to turn around, as the original turning roundabout is closed, only when the Ferry is one boat service causes problems. The 401 has only Pedestrian Lights no traffic lights The traffic lights on the 301 (Not Pedestrian Lights) Brampton Road/New Road Nathan Way/Eastern Way Pettman Cresent Plumstead Road |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 4, 2020 16:41:23 GMT
When the 422 got cut to the shopping centre it would have been good if the 486 got extended to BX.
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Post by beaver14uk on May 4, 2020 16:51:10 GMT
There are plans for at least 2 routes to move out at some stage. That said the 422 needs to move back in. I did a week on the B14s a few weeks ago and it seemed to me that Bexleyheath was bursting at the seams with buses on various stands. Indeed, the Friswell Place stand must have had at least 10 buses on it at one point when there are only spaces marked for 6 (I think!). Also saw queuing to get on the Geddes Place stand as well I wonder if there’s scope to extend or curtail services away from Bexleyheath just to give a little extra capacity at the various stands |
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Post by beaver14uk on May 4, 2020 16:59:40 GMT
Well Arriva signed up to things and we're happy to manage things as they are although far from ideal. Putting the 301 and 401 on Geddes still needs the 132 to back back to BX. Like most places in London there is not enough stands. You can rest assured all of this has been looked at. quote author=" DT 11" source="/post/569018/thread" timestamp="1588609518"] Not to mention apparently the 422s stand has been racking up its fair share of resident complaints too. I believe some 422s stand at Friswell Place after the evening peak is done. I do wonder why there wasn't an agreement with Go Ahead if the 486/132 swap was going to lose money. Stagecoach have the 171 standing in TL's forecourt and the forecourt at BX has a very similar layout so I wonder why it wasn't done. I don't get why either of the 132 or 486 aren't just sent to the garage, but then the obvious issue there is that should another operator then win the routes you'll be back to square one. Really what should have been done is the 422 have a stand made by BX so that the issue never arose in the first place. I'm not sure how much time 301s lose when there's a huge amount of traffic too. Before the 301 even began and I heard the standing arrangements. I had to say no thinking was done whatsoever sorry to say, the first few weeks of the 301 buses were being double parked blocking the road. Place High Frequency route on a 1 Bus Stand.., Early Running is going to happen, the 301 has too much running time between Long Lane & Bexleyheath, it is so timed that when one arrives at Bexleyheath the other is meant to have left at the same time. I suggested the 301 should take the 401s terminus because it would most certainly work out better for the 301 as two buses can pull up there. The 401 can easily use the other stand. In addition to North Greenwich I look forward to see where the 180 will find stand space when extended to North Greenwich [/quote] |
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Post by beaver14uk on May 4, 2020 17:01:31 GMT
That's in the pipeline I believe
quote author="@busenthusiast56" source="/post/568964/thread" timestamp="1588602154"]I’ve always felt the stand in Morden needs a major rethink. One poorly parked bus at anytime of the day and a 93/470 and 80/164 at their stops and the whole area grinds to a halt. I know the council were looking at changing the road layout but they need to get on it soon. [/quote]
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Post by beaver14uk on May 4, 2020 17:07:30 GMT
North Greenwich may be rebuilt so nothing will or can be done except maybe moving the 108 out to ease capacity on the stops. Whilst not ideal there are overflow stands that are used as you enter. North Greenwich, it's an awfully inefficient design in the first place. Imo all buses should enter as the 188 does and the island & main entrance removed meaning you can nearly double the stand capacity of the bus station and eliminate the need for them to loop back around after dropping people off. Also Bexleyheath however this could be solved if TFL actually considered what they were doing before awarding the 422 to SLN without much of an idea of where to stand it, on the first day all the timetables had it as running to the garage still. If TFL payed up and simply extend the 468 & 132 to the garage the problem of over capacity would vanish in a snap, the whole dropping off and looping around doesn't help to the capacity either of the bus stops. With up to 8x 422, 4x 401, 5x 301s all looping to drop off at the clocktower the demand for space is immense. Nothing should be cut however a more logical approach to standing buses in Bheath is required. If the B11 or B16 were to be lost by BX I would have no idea where they would stand at all now, likewise the 301 uses the emergency stop previously used for when the clocktower was shut, TFL have eliminated all contingency in Bexleyheath. The proposed frequency boost of the 132... I have no idea how either end will cope, really should just short runs Eltham-NG and utilise Eltham Bus Station which is possibly one of the most Under utilised terminals of all. |
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Post by beaver14uk on May 4, 2020 17:08:27 GMT
Reading some of this all so easy to do, makes me laugh.
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Post by WSD3 on May 4, 2020 17:17:50 GMT
Clapham junction where the 35,39, 295 and C3 terminus recently due to Covid timetable I think that during this time the 295 and C3 should terminate at East Hill.
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