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Post by abellion on Sept 7, 2021 7:06:10 GMT
So which of the 28 or 295 is being reduced on Wandsworth Bridge Road to avoid it being overbussed or on Harwood Road for the same reason? I did not take that into consideration when planning it. Perhaps the 28 could get a frequency reduction since the 28 and 414 parallel each other between Wandsworth and Fulham I can speak for the 28 and 295, neither of them should be cut in frequency. Both get very busy before Fulham towards Wandsworth Bridge and the 414 wouldn't help since it won't be at busy points such as Hammersmith, White City, NHG and Kensington High Street.
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 7, 2021 7:08:00 GMT
I did not take that into consideration when planning it. Perhaps the 28 could get a frequency reduction since the 28 and 414 parallel each other between Wandsworth and Fulham I can speak for the 28 and 295, neither of them should be cut in frequency. Both get very busy before Fulham towards Wandsworth Bridge and the 414 wouldn't help since it won't be at busy points such as Hammersmith, White City, NHG and Kensington High Street. Exactly, leave the 28 and 295 alone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 10:33:03 GMT
I can speak for the 28 and 295, neither of them should be cut in frequency. Both get very busy before Fulham towards Wandsworth Bridge and the 414 wouldn't help since it won't be at busy points such as Hammersmith, White City, NHG and Kensington High Street. Exactly, leave the 28 and 295 alone. Then if the 414 was extended to Wandsworth it could go via the 306. However I don't think there's much hope for the 414 and I think it might go completely by 2023. The 306 could instead be extended to Wandsworth without affecting the 295 and 28
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 7, 2021 10:59:55 GMT
Exactly, leave the 28 and 295 alone. Then if the 414 was extended to Wandsworth it could go via the 306. However I don't think there's much hope for the 414 and I think it might go completely by 2023. The 306 could instead be extended to Wandsworth without affecting the 295 and 28 A lot of new developments going up along Imperial Road so in time a link to Wandsworth and its shops will be very useful for a lot of people. Plus the 306 would dodge the tailbacks on Wandsworth Bridge Road in the peaks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 17:36:36 GMT
A simple solution? Don't renew the 430 contract, or terminate it early. Reroute the 414 via the 430 with extension to Roehampton. Compensation to Go Ahead could be an extension to the current 14 contract with the addition of say 5 buses to overall pvr.
414 would be Marble Arch to Roehampton.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 27, 2021 17:38:20 GMT
A simple solution? Don't renew the 430 contract, or terminate it early. Reroute the 414 via the 430 with extension to Roehampton. Compensation to Go Ahead could be an extension to the current 14 contract with the addition of say 5 buses to overall pvr. 414 would be Marble Arch to Roehampton. If the 430 was withdrawn upon expiration of the contract, Go Ahead will not need compensation.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 27, 2021 17:50:04 GMT
A simple solution? Don't renew the 430 contract, or terminate it early. Reroute the 414 via the 430 with extension to Roehampton. Compensation to Go Ahead could be an extension to the current 14 contract with the addition of say 5 buses to overall pvr. 414 would be Marble Arch to Roehampton. I thought something similar, 414 South Kensington to Roehampton, withdraw the 430 and increase the 74.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 27, 2021 18:04:06 GMT
That would leave the Old Brompton Road to just the C1 and take away links from Roehampton to Lillie Road and West Brompton. If Fulham Road could cope with just the 14 then Id say withdraw the 414.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2021 18:15:58 GMT
That would leave the Old Brompton Road to just the C1 and take away links from Roehampton to Lillie Road and West Brompton. If Fulham Road could cope with just the 14 then Id say withdraw the 414. Amazing how people say the 430 is useless yet are quick to merge it with the 414. Once the 414 goes eventually, next target will probably be the 430
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 27, 2021 18:36:16 GMT
The 430 is never useless as it has a unique section that would need to be covered between Putney and Roehampton especially as it is the only service along Dover House Road.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 27, 2021 18:39:18 GMT
That would leave the Old Brompton Road to just the C1 and take away links from Roehampton to Lillie Road and West Brompton. If Fulham Road could cope with just the 14 then Id say withdraw the 414. The 190 could be extended to South Kensington but yes if the 14 is ok along Fulham Road then just withdraw the 414. If the 430 remains it might be better rerouted to Hammersmith with the bridge closed for the foreseeable.
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Post by YX10FFN on Sept 27, 2021 18:42:27 GMT
That would leave the Old Brompton Road to just the C1 and take away links from Roehampton to Lillie Road and West Brompton. If Fulham Road could cope with just the 14 then Id say withdraw the 414. The 190 could be extended to South Kensington but yes if the 14 is ok along Fulham Road then just withdraw the 414. If the 430 remains it might be better rerouted to Hammersmith with the bridge closed for the foreseeable. As long as the Old Brompton Road section is kept for local links (190) I think that's a perfectly reasonable change for the 430- we know TFL will use the District Line as justification for most of these cuts so the 430 in its current form, unless it can be made more useful (such as rerouting it to Hsmith as you say), is a sitting duck
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2021 18:57:22 GMT
The 430 is never useless as it has a unique section that would need to be covered between Putney and Roehampton especially as it is the only service along Dover House Road. We both know that but it’s one route that’s been described on here by certain people as useless
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 27, 2021 19:22:07 GMT
A simple solution? Don't renew the 430 contract, or terminate it early. Reroute the 414 via the 430 with extension to Roehampton. Compensation to Go Ahead could be an extension to the current 14 contract with the addition of say 5 buses to overall pvr. 414 would be Marble Arch to Roehampton. That would effectively be scrapping the 414 and extending the 430 from South Kensington to Marble Arch. I think TfL are unlikely to want two routes (74 and whichever of the 414/430) running over the South Kensington to Marble Arch section in future. Other corridors in the West End are served by a single route these days and this would be no different.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 27, 2021 19:23:45 GMT
The 430 is never useless as it has a unique section that would need to be covered between Putney and Roehampton especially as it is the only service along Dover House Road. We both know that but it’s one route that’s been described on here by certain people as useless I think once had the 30 and 264 along Dover House Road.
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