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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 3, 2021 11:49:50 GMT
Great news, the consultation page is being updated, god knows for how long though. Good news, although will be interested to see how many responses they had and how they were grouped, given it has taken them approx 260 days to reach this point I can't see much opposition to these changes and haven't seen anything from he local MPs about any objections. I thought maybe the S3 might have drawn comment from he loss of some of the backroad sections that the 413 won't replace and that Banstead Road South will have no direct link to Sutton Station with the loss of the S4 aswell.
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Post by TB123 on Sept 3, 2021 12:08:56 GMT
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Post by TB123 on Sept 3, 2021 12:09:31 GMT
Sutton-Epsom does very well from this! 1/3 increase in service levels plus a sunday and evening service. Hopefully should mean longer buses too
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 3, 2021 12:19:26 GMT
Sutton-Epsom does very well from this! 1/3 increase in service levels plus a sunday and evening service. Hopefully should mean longer buses too Completely against the 470 proposal. It’s a very useful link between Morden, Morden Road tram stop and Colliers Wood if the tube goes down or the 93 is buggered up.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 3, 2021 12:19:53 GMT
So the St Peters Road bit of the 455 isn't being replaced? It seemed a pointless anyway with very few people using it and it just extended journey times for everyone else.
And if the 166 does go via Christchurch Road (presumably so that it still serves Purley Hospital) will the 405 be rerouted that way I wonder? Presumably the problem is the left turn at both ends of the road as the 412 uses it?
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 3, 2021 12:24:01 GMT
Completely against the 470 proposal. It’s a very useful link between Morden, Morden Road tram stop and Colliers Wood if the tube goes down or the 93 is buggered up. If you bothered to read it you'll see that the section of route you mention will continue unchanged. On your attachment it says between Morden Station and Sutton Station only.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 3, 2021 12:45:52 GMT
If you bothered to read it you'll see that the section of route you mention will continue unchanged. On your attachment it says between Morden Station and Sutton Station only. Not commenting directly on this proposal, but should 'it is a handy link if A and B screwed up' be a justification for a bus service?
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 3, 2021 12:49:37 GMT
On your attachment it says between Morden Station and Sutton Station only. Not commenting directly on this proposal, but should 'it is a handy link if A and B screwed up' be a justification for a bus service? Yes, it’s quite a busy link as well and rather unique. There will be no direct bus service to Merton Abbey Mills or the Tandem Centre from Morden anymore either. Definitely worth keeping in my opinion.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 3, 2021 13:00:39 GMT
Not commenting directly on this proposal, but should 'it is a handy link if A and B screwed up' be a justification for a bus service? Yes, it’s quite a busy link as well and rather unique. There will be no direct bus service to Merton Abbey Mills or the Tandem Centre from Morden anymore either. Definitely worth keeping in my opinion. I agree in fact I always thought it deserved a more frequent service but instead it's now going to end up with nothing at all. I can only think that TfL are worried about it abstracting passengers from the Northern Line.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 3, 2021 13:04:09 GMT
Yes, it’s quite a busy link as well and rather unique. There will be no direct bus service to Merton Abbey Mills or the Tandem Centre from Morden anymore either. Definitely worth keeping in my opinion. I agree in fact I always thought it deserved a more frequent service but instead it's now going to end up with nothing at all. I can only think that TfL are worried about it abstracting passengers from the Northern Line. Another major concern is where the 470 will stand in Morden. The forecourt is already obscenely busy during the peaks, heaves at weekends and can barely handle its current routes. Yes the 470 would only add 1 bus standing at a time but that takes space away from other routes.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 3, 2021 13:04:10 GMT
If you bothered to read it you'll see that the section of route you mention will continue unchanged. On your attachment it says between Morden Station and Sutton Station only. I might be wrong but I don't remember withdrawal between Colliers Wood and Morden being part of the original plans (the original consultation page is no longer available). I wonder whether this is an error and it will actually run between Colliers Wood and Sutton Station.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 3, 2021 13:05:02 GMT
Not commenting directly on this proposal, but should 'it is a handy link if A and B screwed up' be a justification for a bus service? Yes, it’s quite a busy link as well and rather unique. There will be no direct bus service to Merton Abbey Mills or the Tandem Centre from Morden anymore either. Definitely worth keeping in my opinion. That is a better justification than your first one.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 3, 2021 13:16:05 GMT
So the St Peters Road bit of the 455 isn't being replaced? It seemed a pointless anyway with very few people using it and it just extended journey times for everyone else. And if the 166 does go via Christchurch Road (presumably so that it still serves Purley Hospital) will the 405 be rerouted that way I wonder? Presumably the problem is the left turn at both ends of the road as the 412 uses it? I think the 403 would have been a better candidate to take on St Peter's Road as it does link in to South Croydon Station with the justification being the 412 continuing to link into South End?
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 3, 2021 13:31:41 GMT
The new S4 plan I think is better actually better as it maintains the Banstead Road South link to Sutton and still serves Overton Grange School that I'd had forgotten about. Not a bad idea bolting the St Helier Station end to the Epsom section of the 470 as it links both hospitals in the future.
Bit disappointing about the 413/S3. That's now no Sunday service or the increase freq from Carshalton Station area to the Marsden.
Clearly not as much investment thou as had been made out really except for a Sunday service on part of the S4 (S2) and to Epsom. Croydon seems to have done better then Sutton with the 439 going ahead and old Lodge Lane going up to 5 bph from 3 bph.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 3, 2021 13:31:42 GMT
On your attachment it says between Morden Station and Sutton Station only. I might be wrong but I don't remember withdrawal between Colliers Wood and Morden being part of the original plans (the original consultation page is no longer available). I wonder whether this is an error and it will actually run between Colliers Wood and Sutton Station. No it wasn’t, so like you I also hope it is a typo. That link is much coveted and would be a shame to lose.
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