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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 21, 2024 8:50:54 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct.
Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 21, 2024 9:01:47 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct. Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful. Debatable really. Someone would say the tram is more then good enough to provide the amount of demand these days between Croydon and Beckenham and the fact bus passes and £1.75 fare is charged means its no different to a bus whereas on paper it could be seen as odd that the rather indirect 194 is the only way to travel by bus between the 2 places. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 21, 2024 9:03:33 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct. Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful. No. As you quite correctly say, TfL (rightly in my opinion) would like you to use the tram, and the 54 would abstract some of the custom. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 21, 2024 9:16:02 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct. Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful. No. As you quite correctly say, TfL (rightly in my opinion) would like you to use the tram, and the 54 would abstract some of the custom. And all tram stops have been completely low floor since the start and arguably much easier to board then going up the ramp of the bus not to mention the 54 links back to Beckenham Junction. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 21, 2024 9:17:01 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct. Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful. Generally no. I think the thing they got wrong was terminating 54/289 at Elmers End and not Beckenham Junction |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 21, 2024 9:17:18 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct. Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful. I thought the 54 and 353 changes were mistakes although the reduction of bus services between Croydon and New Addington was inevitable. The 289 did go to Beckenham Junction in addition to the 54 for a few years in the late 70s/early 80s. Bus/tram interchange at Elmers End is awful for anybody with mobility problems. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 21, 2024 9:31:14 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct. Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful. I thought the 54 and 353 changes were mistakes although the reduction of bus services between Croydon and New Addington was inevitable. The 289 did go to Beckenham Junction in addition to the 54 for a few years in the late 70s/early 80s. Bus/tram interchange at Elmers End is awful for anybody with mobility problems. Elmers End was always the worst part really. Going through the ticket barries, crossing the foot bridge never quite felt like changing buses as opposed to at Addington Village. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 21, 2024 9:31:39 GMT
I think this might have been better... 166... Not rerouted via Pampisford Road 312... Extended from South Croydon Garage to Caterham via the 407 and double decked 403... Extended from West Croydon to Sutton via the 407. 407... Withdrawn, replaced by changes to the 312 and 403. 455... Remains Old Lodge Lane to West Croydon using stand space vacated by the 403. That would all probably work pretty well. Would almost create the old 197 route, a route I never really understood why it was split in 1987 as even today it would hardly be a long route. The only reason I can imagine was mis matched freqs on either half of Croydon. If I remember correctly when the original 197A, Norwood Junction to Thornton Heath, was withdrawn the 197 gained additional short workings between Norwood Junction and Croydon. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 21, 2024 9:55:36 GMT
I thought the 54 and 353 changes were mistakes although the reduction of bus services between Croydon and New Addington was inevitable. The 289 did go to Beckenham Junction in addition to the 54 for a few years in the late 70s/early 80s. Bus/tram interchange at Elmers End is awful for anybody with mobility problems. Elmers End was always the worst part really. Going through the ticket barries, crossing the foot bridge never quite felt like changing buses as opposed to at Addington Village. Is there a lift? |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 21, 2024 10:20:49 GMT
Elmers End was always the worst part really. Going through the ticket barries, crossing the foot bridge never quite felt like changing buses as opposed to at Addington Village. Is there a lift? No lift, footbridge or walk over the road bridge which has steep inclines. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 21, 2024 12:00:17 GMT
No lift, footbridge or walk over the road bridge which has steep inclines. That’s terrible. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 21, 2024 12:29:49 GMT
No lift, footbridge or walk over the road bridge which has steep inclines. That’s terrible. As we have said before where the 54/tram wasn't so good was places like Beckenham Hill and Bellingham loosing a direct link to Croydon. At a time when Croydon was still a place to go for a lot of people. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2024 12:55:45 GMT
Has the withdrawal of the 54 between Elmers End and Croydon been a mistake? I find it odd that there is no direct bus service between Beckenham High Street and Croydon, obviously TfL try to encourage use of Tramlink but not helpful that the trams don’t reach Beckenham High Street. I don’t count the 367 as direct. Extending the 289 from Elmers End to Beckenham Junction Station would be useful. No as the 54 would become too lengthy - its max running time is already close to an hour and a half and to give a rough guide, the 289 is timed at almost 30 minutes between Elmers End & West Croydon. The 289 is equally unsuitable due to heavy congestion it faces between Purley Way & Addiscombe |
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Post by redexpress on Mar 21, 2024 13:03:35 GMT
What did these changes involve ? Mostly turned the Croydon routes into what they are today. 60 was withdrawn between Streatham Common and Clapham Common and extended from TC to Old Coulsdon 166 converted to SD and become West Croydon to Chipstead Valley/Epsom Hosp 466 was introduced between Shirley Inn and Caterham on the Hill replacing part of the 166 and withdrawn 400 410 replaced the 400 between Wallington and Croydon then the 412 between Croydon and Norwood Junction. Some changes had to wait for the tramlink to open such as the 54 being cutback to Elmers End and the 130 heavily reduced in freq and the X30 withdrawn. There were more changes I'm sure but this is what I mostly remember. The 109 was shortened around this time but more in connection with the Jubilee line. The 109 was cut back from Purley to Croydon in the 1998 changes; I think this was because the restructured 60 now provided the link between Purley / South Croydon and the Mayday Hospital so the 109 was no longer deemed necessary over this section. The 109 was then cut back from Trafalgar Square to Brixton as part of the Jubilee Line extension changes. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 21, 2024 13:21:10 GMT
As we have said before where the 54/tram wasn't so good was places like Beckenham Hill and Bellingham loosing a direct link to Croydon. At a time when Croydon was still a place to go for a lot of people. It's noticeable how quiet the 54 became compared to when it went to Croydon, it would have made more sense to withdraw the 289 from Elmers End. |
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