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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2021 20:27:39 GMT
Because bus users have long deemed to be not important which is absolutely wrong - even an awful Tory government has spoken more about buses recently than the actual mayor which says everything. All the mayor keeps saying in his political broadcast on TV is he is the son of a bus driver but I don't see him acting like one. Honestly you would think as the son of a bus driver he would have been keen to invest in the industry and workers having first hand accounts of how both difficult and rewarding the job could really be but that’s just my opinion. Many bus workers cannot stand Khan, a small few has support for him. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 5, 2021 20:30:00 GMT
I think a lot of this comes down to blind voting, people aren't voting for Khan, they're voting for Labour. If Khan ran as an independent, would people vote for him?
Running as a major party representative is what effectively gives you that fighting chance.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2021 20:59:02 GMT
I'd say some of Khan's support come from there being little opposition. Had Boris still been standing in 2016 and now the votes may look quite different.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 5, 2021 21:12:10 GMT
I don't think there's much doubt who will be the Mayor of London going forward, the only real uncertainty is whether the current incumbent will pull off an overall majority of first-preference votes, or not. I'd be interested to see what happens on the London Assembly. It appears Labour is not faring well in many parts of the country and I wonder if that will be reflected in the Assembly results. I don't trust the pollsters at all, even though they are saying Labour would do bad around the country, I very much doubt it. Gut, unbiased feeling : Labour will do well, and may increase their vote share in London. Conservatives may fall back in the rest of the South East, and won’t really penetrate the SNP wall in Scotland, but elsewhere their vote share will be increased to the extent that only the Tories will be able to say they were successful overall. It will I think be a terrible result for all the non-Conservative parties apart from the SNP. |
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2021 21:45:47 GMT
I don't trust the pollsters at all, even though they are saying Labour would do bad around the country, I very much doubt it. Gut, unbiased feeling : Labour will do well, and may increase their vote share in London. Conservatives may fall back in the rest of the South East, and won’t really penetrate the SNP wall in Scotland, but elsewhere their vote share will be increased to the extent that only the Tories will be able to say they were successful overall. It will I think be a terrible result for all the non-Conservative parties apart from the SNP. Even for the SNP, it’s touch & go as to whether they get the majority they need to push ahead with their now twice in a lifetime referendum as the Greens are apparently doing well up there. It would give me great pleasure seeing the SNP with glum faces |
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 5, 2021 22:05:41 GMT
Honestly you would think as the son of a bus driver he would have been keen to invest in the industry and workers having first hand accounts of how both difficult and rewarding the job could really be but that’s just my opinion. I think he is traumatised by it. Which is why he goes out of his way that there are no sons-of-bus-drivers any more .... in one of his Party Political Broadcasts he literally said "my dad was a bus driver on the 44 from Tooting" |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 6, 2021 5:32:05 GMT
Thats the 44 safe atleast.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 6, 2021 12:00:33 GMT
I think a lot of this comes down to blind voting, people aren't voting for Khan, they're voting for Labour. If Khan ran as an independent, would people vote for him? Running as a major party representative is what effectively gives you that fighting chance. As you say, that is the only thing propping Khan up the support of the Labour party, which many people in London vote like a football team. The youth are also indoctrinated into it, from London schools as many teachers and lecturers are party members and unionists. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 6, 2021 12:03:41 GMT
I think he is traumatised by it. Which is why he goes out of his way that there are no sons-of-bus-drivers any more .... in one of his Party Political Broadcasts he literally said "my dad was a bus driver on the 44 from Tooting" That angers me, because it makes it sounds as though his dad had a career on the buses. When it really was a short stint. Why does he not mention of all his jobs, because it would not portray a picture of being working class. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 6, 2021 12:40:28 GMT
I think a lot of this comes down to blind voting, people aren't voting for Khan, they're voting for Labour. If Khan ran as an independent, would people vote for him? Running as a major party representative is what effectively gives you that fighting chance. As you say, that is the only thing propping Khan up the support of the Labour party, which many people in London vote like a football team. The youth are also indoctrinated into it, from London schools as many teachers and lecturers are party members and unionists. Well to be honest the Youth support the party, most people who are educated past A Levels are Labour supporters. It's not indoctrinated into the system, it's just that education often leads to people being soft left supporters generally. This is also mirrored in other countries such as the USA where the majority of the educated are Democrat supporters and in France and Germany as well. This also gets shown throughout the United Kingdom, most graduates are found in London, Manchester and Birmingham where there's notable Labour support. The reason Tory support remains high outside of London in suburbs is because the young fall into two categories. Those that do not usually pursue A Levels, IB or Degree level qualification (of which there is nothing wrong with doing so) and vote Tory, or those that pursue higher education and move out of these suburbs into the large cities where Labour has power. Youth also have more liberal views, views seen as more accepting of many people and no matter what their line is they're brought up to respect people of all backgrounds and wanting everyone to have equal opportunity. This then traditionally goes back to left wing politics. The UK's Labour Party obviously had a huge issue with Anti-Semetism, but the Tories are usually seen more of an un-equal party where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer which doesn't traditionally sit well with the youth of this day. There's also the view where Poverty is far more rife in certain parts of the country, and people in poverty pretty much never vote for the Conservatives, students tend to be educated on rising Poverty levels and are more likely to vote as such for this reason too. I think the future will shift left, The Tories are extremely supported by Boris at the moment but once his time is over I see them entering a rapid decline. Theresa May almost lost them that general election in 2017 and it was only Corbyn's unpopularity that kept Labour from winning that. Should a more average politician like Raab or Gove take on the Tories, and even if Starmer stays at the helm of Labour I'd see an inevitable rise in Labour's popularity. The Tories know this, and it's pretty much always why they try to block efforts to let 16 year olds vote despite they're often clued up in politics by that age. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 7, 2021 9:35:57 GMT
As you say, that is the only thing propping Khan up the support of the Labour party, which many people in London vote like a football team. The youth are also indoctrinated into it, from London schools as many teachers and lecturers are party members and unionists. Well to be honest the Youth support the party, most people who are educated past A Levels are Labour supporters. It's not indoctrinated into the system, it's just that education often leads to people being soft left supporters generally. This is also mirrored in other countries such as the USA where the majority of the educated are Democrat supporters and in France and Germany as well. This also gets shown throughout the United Kingdom, most graduates are found in London, Manchester and Birmingham where there's notable Labour support. The reason Tory support remains high outside of London in suburbs is because the young fall into two categories. Those that do not usually pursue A Levels, IB or Degree level qualification (of which there is nothing wrong with doing so) and vote Tory, or those that pursue higher education and move out of these suburbs into the large cities where Labour has power. Youth also have more liberal views, views seen as more accepting of many people and no matter what their line is they're brought up to respect people of all backgrounds and wanting everyone to have equal opportunity. This then traditionally goes back to left wing politics. The UK's Labour Party obviously had a huge issue with Anti-Semetism, but the Tories are usually seen more of an un-equal party where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer which doesn't traditionally sit well with the youth of this day. There's also the view where Poverty is far more rife in certain parts of the country, and people in poverty pretty much never vote for the Conservatives, students tend to be educated on rising Poverty levels and are more likely to vote as such for this reason too. I think the future will shift left, The Tories are extremely supported by Boris at the moment but once his time is over I see them entering a rapid decline. Theresa May almost lost them that general election in 2017 and it was only Corbyn's unpopularity that kept Labour from winning that. Should a more average politician like Raab or Gove take on the Tories, and even if Starmer stays at the helm of Labour I'd see an inevitable rise in Labour's popularity. The Tories know this, and it's pretty much always why they try to block efforts to let 16 year olds vote despite they're often clued up in politics by that age. As you say the youth support Labour as they know no better. When they grow older they get wiser and their views change. Reason being it is seen as cool to support Labour, they are endorsed by popstars etc. Labour's biggest problem it they are NOT the party of the working class they once was. Corbyn was on the right track, problem was he went way too far left. lol @ most people past A levels support Labour; get real buddy. As I have said, many students are brainwashed in uni and college etc into supporting Labour, the same lie that is told to make you think that you would get a high paying job after leaving uni etc. Sometimes it just is not worth it anymore, especially with fees etc. I regret not going uni a year earlier or I would have had it for free, I ended up being the first to pay (thanks to Blair) yes I supported him, when a few others in college then did not want to purely because of the fees; who would have known years later it would end up being like other countries around the world. Trouble is yourself cannot see it but the Labour party these days are hypocrites, many of the people running it are well off or business people like the Conservatives. Just they try to sell an image of, I am from the council estate etc I am just like you in reality they are not. Trouble is that as you say people in poverty do not vote for Conservatives, but they are now (bar London). so ask yourself why is that. People have woken up to the fact that they are no longer important and sold a lie. Year after year we have seen many things that Labour implement hit the poorer person harder than anything.Even in London Piers Corbyn is against the ULEZ extension. The Conservatives have shifted left compared to years ago. The way politics are heading in the UK it is more on the level of the US. What I also find worrying is parties like the Lib Dems are being squeezed further out, which I feel is a sad shame. Problem is they have no direction anymore. Problem is people like yourself see Boris as useless and portrayed by the press as a buffoon. Trouble is the general public would rather a politician who makes mistakes etc and is more normal, than a robotic heartless person like Thresea May. This has happened in many countries even in France with Sarkozy, who was no angel which improved his popularity. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 7, 2021 9:46:37 GMT
As you say, that is the only thing propping Khan up the support of the Labour party, which many people in London vote like a football team. The youth are also indoctrinated into it, from London schools as many teachers and lecturers are party members and unionists. Well to be honest the Youth support the party, most people who are educated past A Levels are Labour supporters. It's not indoctrinated into the system, it's just that education often leads to people being soft left supporters generally. This is also mirrored in other countries such as the USA where the majority of the educated are Democrat supporters and in France and Germany as well. This also gets shown throughout the United Kingdom, most graduates are found in London, Manchester and Birmingham where there's notable Labour support. The reason Tory support remains high outside of London in suburbs is because the young fall into two categories. Those that do not usually pursue A Levels, IB or Degree level qualification (of which there is nothing wrong with doing so) and vote Tory, or those that pursue higher education and move out of these suburbs into the large cities where Labour has power. Youth also have more liberal views, views seen as more accepting of many people and no matter what their line is they're brought up to respect people of all backgrounds and wanting everyone to have equal opportunity. This then traditionally goes back to left wing politics. The UK's Labour Party obviously had a huge issue with Anti-Semetism, but the Tories are usually seen more of an un-equal party where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer which doesn't traditionally sit well with the youth of this day. There's also the view where Poverty is far more rife in certain parts of the country, and people in poverty pretty much never vote for the Conservatives, students tend to be educated on rising Poverty levels and are more likely to vote as such for this reason too. I think the future will shift left, The Tories are extremely supported by Boris at the moment but once his time is over I see them entering a rapid decline. Theresa May almost lost them that general election in 2017 and it was only Corbyn's unpopularity that kept Labour from winning that. Should a more average politician like Raab or Gove take on the Tories, and even if Starmer stays at the helm of Labour I'd see an inevitable rise in Labour's popularity. The Tories know this, and it's pretty much always why they try to block efforts to let 16 year olds vote despite they're often clued up in politics by that age. So given Hartlepool pool has just turned blue for the first time ever, are you by your opening statement implying the all northerners are thick doctrine. This is made more remarkable that traditionally it is the opposition that gain seats in Westminster bye elections |
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Post by ronnie on May 7, 2021 12:15:21 GMT
As someone in Labour said, the party needs to step away from issues which they feel are important into issues which the public thinks is important. It seems like a party of the middle class rather than the working class frankly
Found the following statement to be hitting the nail in the head “ If you are one of the massive slice of the public who is older, or a car driver, or a home owner, or voted for Brexit, you would think the Tories care about you and Labour doesn't”
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Post by SILENCED on May 7, 2021 12:55:19 GMT
As someone in Labour said, the party needs to step away from issues which they feel are important into issues which the public thinks is important. It seems like a party of the middle class rather than the working class frankly Found the following statement to be hitting the nail in the head “ If you are one of the massive slice of the public who is older, or a car driver, or a home owner, or voted for Brexit, you would think the Tories care about you and Labour doesn't” Ronnie, have you got a source for that, something I would like to use at the next LTN meeting with councillors. The first comment that is. |
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Post by busman on May 7, 2021 13:07:43 GMT
Well to be honest the Youth support the party, most people who are educated past A Levels are Labour supporters. It's not indoctrinated into the system, it's just that education often leads to people being soft left supporters generally. This is also mirrored in other countries such as the USA where the majority of the educated are Democrat supporters and in France and Germany as well. This also gets shown throughout the United Kingdom, most graduates are found in London, Manchester and Birmingham where there's notable Labour support. The reason Tory support remains high outside of London in suburbs is because the young fall into two categories. Those that do not usually pursue A Levels, IB or Degree level qualification (of which there is nothing wrong with doing so) and vote Tory, or those that pursue higher education and move out of these suburbs into the large cities where Labour has power. Youth also have more liberal views, views seen as more accepting of many people and no matter what their line is they're brought up to respect people of all backgrounds and wanting everyone to have equal opportunity. This then traditionally goes back to left wing politics. The UK's Labour Party obviously had a huge issue with Anti-Semetism, but the Tories are usually seen more of an un-equal party where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer which doesn't traditionally sit well with the youth of this day. There's also the view where Poverty is far more rife in certain parts of the country, and people in poverty pretty much never vote for the Conservatives, students tend to be educated on rising Poverty levels and are more likely to vote as such for this reason too. I think the future will shift left, The Tories are extremely supported by Boris at the moment but once his time is over I see them entering a rapid decline. Theresa May almost lost them that general election in 2017 and it was only Corbyn's unpopularity that kept Labour from winning that. Should a more average politician like Raab or Gove take on the Tories, and even if Starmer stays at the helm of Labour I'd see an inevitable rise in Labour's popularity. The Tories know this, and it's pretty much always why they try to block efforts to let 16 year olds vote despite they're often clued up in politics by that age. As you say the youth support Labour as they know no better. When they grow older they get wiser and their views change. Reason being it is seen as cool to support Labour, they are endorsed by popstars etc. Labour's biggest problem it they are NOT the party of the working class they once was. Corbyn was on the right track, problem was he went way too far left. lol @ most people past A levels support Labour; get real buddy. As I have said, many students are brainwashed in uni and college etc into supporting Labour, the same lie that is told to make you think that you would get a high paying job after leaving uni etc. Sometimes it just is not worth it anymore, especially with fees etc. I regret not going uni a year earlier or I would have had it for free, I ended up being the first to pay (thanks to Blair) yes I supported him, when a few others in college then did not want to purely because of the fees; who would have known years later it would end up being like other countries around the world. Trouble is yourself cannot see it but the Labour party these days are hypocrites, many of the people running it are well off or business people like the Conservatives. Just they try to sell an image of, I am from the council estate etc I am just like you in reality they are not. Trouble is that as you say people in poverty do not vote for Conservatives, but they are now (bar London). so ask yourself why is that. People have woken up to the fact that they are no longer important and sold a lie. Year after year we have seen many things that Labour implement hit the poorer person harder than anything.Even in London Piers Corbyn is against the ULEZ extension. The Conservatives have shifted left compared to years ago. The way politics are heading in the UK it is more on the level of the US. What I also find worrying is parties like the Lib Dems are being squeezed further out, which I feel is a sad shame. Problem is they have no direction anymore. Problem is people like yourself see Boris as useless and portrayed by the press as a buffoon. Trouble is the general public would rather a politician who makes mistakes etc and is more normal, than a robotic heartless person like Thresea May. This has happened in many countries even in France with Sarkozy, who was no angel which improved his popularity. You speak the truth with regard to uni brainwashing. I too was among the first year to pay tuition fees under the Blair years and I’m currently a mature student. In my current stint, I notice the lefty bias of a few lecturers spills over into classrooms. I would rather political opinions (of any sort) didn’t seep into lecturers teaching dialogue with student. One problem Labour have is that since the Blair years, they have never been seen to reward those who work hard and those with ambition. People of all demographics have aspirations to get on in life and it is interesting that the Conservatives appear to hold that ground. Another issue is that they appear to be a little unpatriotic at times. I don’t see anything wrong in championing our nation and standing up for UK interests. Starmer still has to convince me that he would take a different line to his two predecessors when our national interests are under threat. Take the current escalation in Jersey. Would Starmer have moved so quickly and decisively to stand up for our interests? I’m not so sure. Bojo is a huge problem for Labour, because for all his faults he has got his economic response to COVID right, getting support to those that need it, along with a world leading vaccine strategy. Huge plus marks and not easy considering he botched the initial response during the first wave. Bojo also is clear in his actions in terms of standing up for our interests and not caving in to the childish tit-for-tat we get from the EU since we left. I say that as a Remainer. The EU no longer act in our interests, and its time we all woke up to that. Back to topic, I’m looking forward to purdah ending so we can see what is going on with Crossrail, bus changes, and also the budget Andy Byford manages to induce from the government. I sincerely hope Khan can work more constructively with the government, but I think he has burnt his bridges. |
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