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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 11, 2023 9:42:56 GMT
MOTD will feel bizarre without presenters or pundits. However I agree that Lineker should remain impartial, just because he's a sports presenter, doesn't mean that he can get away with this Then why are others getting away with this? Lineker is one of the BBCs highest profile presenters with quite possibly the widest reach across many facets of society. I think given the inflammatory language he used, the comparison to Nazi Germany and the general blasé attitude about the whole situation I think it’s only right that the BBC hold him to account but I doubt he will be let go by them. He’s too valuable to the BBC and would be snapped up by Sky or ITV. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 11, 2023 10:44:30 GMT
Then why are others getting away with this? Lineker is one of the BBCs highest profile presenters with quite possibly the widest reach across many facets of society. I think given the inflammatory language he used, the comparison to Nazi Germany and the general blasé attitude about the whole situation I think it’s only right that the BBC hold him to account but I doubt he will be let go by them. He’s too valuable to the BBC and would be snapped up by Sky or ITV. The difference is would Lineker even want to return now? He's effectively been silenced of his own opinions and just because he's high profile doesn't mean he should be stripped off an opinion completely. The Apprentice still airs despite Karen Brady being a Tory Peer so what's the difference? Lineker didn't use any BBC platform to voice the opinion at all, it was his personal social media. The same Social Media that Karen Brady has previously used to be vocal against Keir Starmer and his policies. Then we don't even need to start on what Clarkson posted during his time as a BBC employee and Andrew Neil as well. There's no difference here, it's just that now the government is offended because the truth of what they're doing has reached a demographic of people that could be very influential to them come election time so want to damage control before the situation gets worse, in which they've actually blown up the topic even more. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 11, 2023 10:52:17 GMT
There have been rumours that Conte could get sacked after the game this weekend, but I think it's more likely he'll survive to the end of the season and he sacked then I was half expecting him to go after Wednesday nights performance and I think another bad one today might well be the final straw? I think that Nottingham Forest will win 1-0 or 2-1, Spurs are on a poor run of form right now |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 11, 2023 11:12:07 GMT
Lineker is one of the BBCs highest profile presenters with quite possibly the widest reach across many facets of society. I think given the inflammatory language he used, the comparison to Nazi Germany and the general blasé attitude about the whole situation I think it’s only right that the BBC hold him to account but I doubt he will be let go by them. He’s too valuable to the BBC and would be snapped up by Sky or ITV. The difference is would Lineker even want to return now? He's effectively been silenced of his own opinions and just because he's high profile doesn't mean he should be stripped off an opinion completely. The Apprentice still airs despite Karen Brady being a Tory Peer so what's the difference? Lineker didn't use any BBC platform to voice the opinion at all, it was his personal social media. The same Social Media that Karen Brady has previously used to be vocal against Keir Starmer and his policies. Then we don't even need to start on what Clarkson posted during his time as a BBC employee and Andrew Neil as well. There's no difference here, it's just that now the government is offended because the truth of what they're doing has reached a demographic of people that could be very influential to them come election time so want to damage control before the situation gets worse, in which they've actually blown up the topic even more. Karren Brady actually has a balanced view point, she is critical and supportive across the political spectrum so your point about her being a Tory peer is moot. Besides Karren Brady is not on the same level as Lineker , she is nowhere near as influential. Just look at the amount of sport presenters who dare not move again Lineker to carry on presenting shows, they say solidarity I say they know where their bread is buttered. It really doesn’t matter that Lineker didn’t use any BBC platform or that he’s an independent contractor, the fact remains that his view should remain balanced. In fact let’s hope he clarifies his position as an independent contractor, should help make the HMRC case against him all that easier. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 11, 2023 11:18:27 GMT
The difference is would Lineker even want to return now? He's effectively been silenced of his own opinions and just because he's high profile doesn't mean he should be stripped off an opinion completely. The Apprentice still airs despite Karen Brady being a Tory Peer so what's the difference? Lineker didn't use any BBC platform to voice the opinion at all, it was his personal social media. The same Social Media that Karen Brady has previously used to be vocal against Keir Starmer and his policies. Then we don't even need to start on what Clarkson posted during his time as a BBC employee and Andrew Neil as well. There's no difference here, it's just that now the government is offended because the truth of what they're doing has reached a demographic of people that could be very influential to them come election time so want to damage control before the situation gets worse, in which they've actually blown up the topic even more. Karren Brady actually has a balanced view point, she is critical and supportive across the political spectrum so your point about her being a Tory peer is moot. Besides Karren Brady is not on the same level as Lineker , she is nowhere near as influential. Just look at the amount of sport presenters who dare not move again Lineker to carry on presenting shows, they say solidarity I say they know where their bread is buttered. It really doesn’t matter that Lineker didn’t use any BBC platform or that he’s an independent contractor, the fact remains that his view should remain balanced. In fact let’s hope he clarifies his position as an independent contractor, should help make the HMRC case against him all that easier. Sorry, you must be delusional if you think Karen Brady is supportive across the political spectrum as otherwise she wouldn't be a Tory Peer, not to mention my point about her still posting against the Labour Party is no difference to what Lineker said against the Tories. She's very influential as well, just to a completely different demographic. What's Lineker being independent got to do with HMRCs investigation? Are you suggesting that HMRC is going to be influenced by his political view? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 11, 2023 11:28:48 GMT
Karren Brady actually has a balanced view point, she is critical and supportive across the political spectrum so your point about her being a Tory peer is moot. Besides Karren Brady is not on the same level as Lineker , she is nowhere near as influential. Just look at the amount of sport presenters who dare not move again Lineker to carry on presenting shows, they say solidarity I say they know where their bread is buttered. It really doesn’t matter that Lineker didn’t use any BBC platform or that he’s an independent contractor, the fact remains that his view should remain balanced. In fact let’s hope he clarifies his position as an independent contractor, should help make the HMRC case against him all that easier. Sorry, you must be delusional if you think Karen Brady is supportive across the political spectrum as otherwise she wouldn't be a Tory Peer, not to mention my point about her still posting against the Labour Party is no difference to what Lineker said against the Tories. She's very influential as well, just to a completely different demographic. What's Lineker being independent got to do with HMRCs investigation? Are you suggesting that HMRC is going to be influenced by his political view? I suggest you look back at Karren Brady’s tweets, they are just as critical of Labour as they are the Tories, being a Tory peer doesn’t automatically mean you agree with every decision. I’m a party member but I’m still very critical of our government, you can be both. As for Lineker the key claim by his lawyers is that he should be classed as a BBC employee for his presenting but that also means he would be subject to BBC rules about impartiality etc. But if as many say he isn’t a BBC employee then he really is setting up his appeal for failure. So ergo he is responsible for his own taxes and not the BBC. It would kismet if he got handed his arse in taxes over this whole thing. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 11, 2023 11:41:36 GMT
Sorry, you must be delusional if you think Karen Brady is supportive across the political spectrum as otherwise she wouldn't be a Tory Peer, not to mention my point about her still posting against the Labour Party is no difference to what Lineker said against the Tories. She's very influential as well, just to a completely different demographic. What's Lineker being independent got to do with HMRCs investigation? Are you suggesting that HMRC is going to be influenced by his political view? I suggest you look back at Karren Brady’s tweets, they are just as critical of Labour as they are the Tories, being a Tory peer doesn’t automatically mean you agree with every decision. I’m a party member but I’m still very critical of our government, you can be both. As for Lineker the key claim by his lawyers is that he should be classed as a BBC employee for his presenting but that also means he would be subject to BBC rules about impartiality etc. But if as many say he isn’t a BBC employee then he really is setting up his appeal for failure. So ergo he is responsible for his own taxes and not the BBC. It would kismet if he got handed his arse in taxes over this whole thing. Your now conflating two separate issues - his tax affairs have no relevance to any discussion on freedom of speech. That should be left to a debate regarding who pays or doesn’t pay tax, of which there are many others who don’t, some including organisations and individuals even bigger than Lineker & who successive governments have let off the hook |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 11, 2023 11:42:52 GMT
Sorry, you must be delusional if you think Karen Brady is supportive across the political spectrum as otherwise she wouldn't be a Tory Peer, not to mention my point about her still posting against the Labour Party is no difference to what Lineker said against the Tories. She's very influential as well, just to a completely different demographic. What's Lineker being independent got to do with HMRCs investigation? Are you suggesting that HMRC is going to be influenced by his political view? I suggest you look back at Karren Brady’s tweets, they are just as critical of Labour as they are the Tories, being a Tory peer doesn’t automatically mean you agree with every decision. I’m a party member but I’m still very critical of our government, you can be both. As for Lineker the key claim by his lawyers is that he should be classed as a BBC employee for his presenting but that also means he would be subject to BBC rules about impartiality etc. But if as many say he isn’t a BBC employee then he really is setting up his appeal for failure. So ergo he is responsible for his own taxes and not the BBC. It would kismet if he got handed his arse in taxes over this whole thing. Where has she been critical of the Tories as of Labour? There's a lot of tweets about the Labour Party, the SNP and there's even one about Jacinda Arden's resignation being due to an incoming political disaster but notably all are left parties. The issue is that other BBC presenters don't get sanctioned in the same way. Why should Lineker get sanctioned specifically? It doesn't matter if he's high profile, the rules are the same for everyone. That's why everyone is leaving in solidarity. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 11, 2023 11:58:57 GMT
Football Focus and Final Score have both been pulled off air. Other radio shows on BBC 5 have also been cancelled.
Perhaps this could be the start of the toppling of the government. Shows how strong peoples feelings are and shows what can be achieved.
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Post by george on Mar 11, 2023 12:02:41 GMT
I suggest you look back at Karren Brady’s tweets, they are just as critical of Labour as they are the Tories, being a Tory peer doesn’t automatically mean you agree with every decision. I’m a party member but I’m still very critical of our government, you can be both. As for Lineker the key claim by his lawyers is that he should be classed as a BBC employee for his presenting but that also means he would be subject to BBC rules about impartiality etc. But if as many say he isn’t a BBC employee then he really is setting up his appeal for failure. So ergo he is responsible for his own taxes and not the BBC. It would kismet if he got handed his arse in taxes over this whole thing. Where has she been critical of the Tories as of Labour? There's a lot of tweets about the Labour Party, the SNP and there's even one about Jacinda Arden's resignation being due to an incoming political disaster but notably all are left parties. The issue is that other BBC presenters don't get sanctioned in the same way. Why should Lineker get sanctioned specifically? It doesn't matter if he's high profile, the rules are the same for everyone. That's why everyone is leaving in solidarity. Couldn't have said it better myself there has to work both ways. Another point is that recently a load of high profile BBC presenters have left the corporation in recent years the likes of Ken Bruce, Emily maitlis and Graham Norton* of course the other broadcasters like Global and Bauer will be offering them loads to present on their programmes but I do wonder if a big reason is that they have to be careful on what they can say and not say. Would hate to be walking on egg shells all the time. *Graham Norton show is not made by the BBC and therefore he is not employed by them. |
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 11, 2023 14:02:58 GMT
There have been rumours that Conte could get sacked after the game this weekend, but I think it's more likely he'll survive to the end of the season and he sacked then I was half expecting him to go after Wednesday nights performance and I think another bad one today might well be the final straw? His performances have been off-kilter of late  If the fans are as disgruntled as the squad (remember, Daniel Levy loves money), more people staying away affects profits, credibility, and less chance to sell the Club if he chooses. Some are not even exchanging tickets for the Forest game, meaning less revenue. A lot are not even going, and waiting for the inevitable. Liverpool will pinch 4th today.  |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 11, 2023 14:39:26 GMT
I was half expecting him to go after Wednesday nights performance and I think another bad one today might well be the final straw? His performances have been off-kilter of late If the fans are as disgruntled as the squad (remember, Daniel Levy loves money), more people staying away affects profits, credibility, and less chance to sell the Club if he chooses. Some are not even exchanging tickets for the Forest game, meaning less revenue. A lot are not even going, and waiting for the inevitable. Liverpool will pinch 4th today. Liverpool may have lost today, but Spurs will still bottle it this afternoon I believe |
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 11, 2023 16:48:41 GMT
His performances have been off-kilter of late If the fans are as disgruntled as the squad (remember, Daniel Levy loves money), more people staying away affects profits, credibility, and less chance to sell the Club if he chooses. Some are not even exchanging tickets for the Forest game, meaning less revenue. A lot are not even going, and waiting for the inevitable. Liverpool will pinch 4th today. Liverpool may have lost today, but Spurs will still bottle it this afternoon I believe Spurs are winning 3-1. No bottle this week |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 11, 2023 17:04:41 GMT
Liverpool may have lost today, but Spurs will still bottle it this afternoon I believe Spurs are winning 3-1. No bottle this week Antonio Conte keeps his job for another week. Mind you not all is guaranteed for Conte, Levy sacked Mourinho days before the EFL Cup final 2 years ago. Watford are the most notorious club for sacking managers. Bilic got the sack despite the fact that Watford weren't that far from the promotion spots. Should have given him at least until the end of the season! |
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 11, 2023 18:14:23 GMT
Spurs are winning 3-1. No bottle this week Antonio Conte keeps his job for another week. Mind you not all is guaranteed for Conte, Levy sacked Mourinho days before the EFL Cup final 2 years ago. Watford are the most notorious club for sacking managers. Bilic got the sack despite the fact that Watford weren't that far from the promotion spots. Should have given him at least until the end of the season! That club are ran by clowns honestly |
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