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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 17, 2023 9:09:57 GMT
Well since I wrote this Viera has been sacked! There was a risk of Palace going down though. Sometimes managers aren't given enough time like Nuno at Spurs last season. But this decision may be pivotal in their survival although I think he should have seen the rest of the season before a decision was made. Sometimes it's not the managers fault, like in the case of Ranieri being sacked from Leicester in 2016/17 and when he did, the players started 'playing' and form suddenly improved. But then are the players good enough to survive? Sacking the manager isn't always the best decision especially mod season but Palace are now in the mix of 9 teams that could get relegated. If they continue this form then they will get relegated I think this was pretty much inevitable, no wins in 12 games and no shots on target in 3 successive games is never going to be acceptable at any level. Players do often improve, the new manager bounce, and whether that happens here remains to be seen, they've got Arsenal at the weekend. Claudio Ranieri who you mentioned was a case in point, lovely guy who did a fantastic job winning the title with Leicester City but couldn't maintain it the following season and a difficult decision had to be made and as you say there was an almost immediate improvement. The strange thing is that Palace have only played teams that are currently above them since the new year, whereas after Arsenal, the majority of their games are against teams that are currently below them. So this could work in Palace's advantage. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 17, 2023 9:19:45 GMT
I think this was pretty much inevitable, no wins in 12 games and no shots on target in 3 successive games is never going to be acceptable at any level. Players do often improve, the new manager bounce, and whether that happens here remains to be seen, they've got Arsenal at the weekend. Claudio Ranieri who you mentioned was a case in point, lovely guy who did a fantastic job winning the title with Leicester City but couldn't maintain it the following season and a difficult decision had to be made and as you say there was an almost immediate improvement. The strange thing is that Palace have only played teams that are currently above them since the new year, whereas after Arsenal, the majority of their games are against teams that are currently below them. So this could work in Palace's advantage. Yes and other than a 0-4 loss at home to Tottenham all their defeats this year have been by a single goal and they were only denied a win at Brentford by a stoppage equaliser so I think they should be capable of avoiding relegation. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 17, 2023 10:53:26 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2023 12:51:56 GMT
Barring relegation, why should they sack him? They’re a bottom half team who rely on Zaha, Eze & Olise to do something and have poor strikers - maybe Palace should back him with more money to try and match the Brighton, Fulham & Brentford’s of this world - people are far too obsessed with sacking managers these days Well since I wrote this Viera has been sacked! There was a risk of Palace going down though. Sometimes managers aren't given enough time like Nuno at Spurs last season. But this decision may be pivotal in their survival although I think he should have seen the rest of the season before a decision was made. Sometimes it's not the managers fault, like in the case of Ranieri being sacked from Leicester in 2016/17 and when he did, the players started 'playing' and form suddenly improved. But then are the players good enough to survive? Sacking the manager isn't always the best decision especially mod season but Palace are now in the mix of 9 teams that could get relegated. If they continue this form then they will get relegated I keep coming back to this example - Arteta was 15th before heading up the league and then following season was bottom after 3 games with no goals scored and nine conceded yet look at us now. Sacking managers left, right & centre is short term ism - it’s not worked well for Watford previously given they’re now in the 2nd tier or Southampton this season who are bottom and gone through three different managers. There is a reason why Dyche at Burnley, Potter at Brighton & Frank at Brentford all did well - they got time (Frank actually suffered a long winless run in the Championship). Sacking managers doesn’t guarantee you will stay up and I don’t think Palace, despite the poor form, were going to go down given they’re several worse teams existing so for me, very poor decision |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2023 12:58:04 GMT
And this sums up my point about short term ism in football - Hodgson was let go because Palace & particularly, the fans, wanted to progress to an attacking football with a progressive style hence going for Vieira. However, Palace have a penchant for not backing managers fully in transfer windows hence why Zaha is still the main scorer in the team and the strikers not so - only Edouard has come in under Vieira. To go back to Hodgson shows that the club has no idea about what it wants to be because Hodgson is the complete opposite of this |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 18, 2023 8:29:01 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64996787Roy Hodgson really? I think he's the type of manager to save a team from relegation but Palace should be aiming for top half of the table. Nuno Esperito Santo would be a good fit
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Post by greenboy on Mar 18, 2023 9:09:28 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64996787Roy Hodgson really? I think he's the type of manager to save a team from relegation but Palace should be aiming for top half of the table. Nuno Esperito Santo would be a good fit I think 'Woy' is only intended as a fire fighter until the end of the season to hopefully stave off relegation and yes Nuno sounds like a good shout long term. Apparently when someone told Steve Parish it was St Patrick's day yesterday he thought they said it was sack Patrick day🤣....I'll get my coat! |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 18, 2023 9:15:54 GMT
I think this was pretty much inevitable, no wins in 12 games and no shots on target in 3 successive games is never going to be acceptable at any level. Players do often improve, the new manager bounce, and whether that happens here remains to be seen, they've got Arsenal at the weekend. Claudio Ranieri who you mentioned was a case in point, lovely guy who did a fantastic job winning the title with Leicester City but couldn't maintain it the following season and a difficult decision had to be made and as you say there was an almost immediate improvement. The strange thing is that Palace have only played teams that are currently above them since the new year, whereas after Arsenal, the majority of their games are against teams that are currently below them. So this could work in Palace's advantage. lol, I think all the teams Arsenal played are below them as they are at the top. But Palace did have an unfair run of games, I feel a lot of it is down to the players, I do not see them being relegated as they have to soon play a lot of teams in the lower half which they are likely to win a few of them. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 18, 2023 9:17:43 GMT
Wasting their time with Hodgson, unless they want to remain in constant relegation scraps. Same with Allardyce, they are has been's. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 18, 2023 9:20:23 GMT
Well since I wrote this Viera has been sacked! There was a risk of Palace going down though. Sometimes managers aren't given enough time like Nuno at Spurs last season. But this decision may be pivotal in their survival although I think he should have seen the rest of the season before a decision was made. Sometimes it's not the managers fault, like in the case of Ranieri being sacked from Leicester in 2016/17 and when he did, the players started 'playing' and form suddenly improved. But then are the players good enough to survive? Sacking the manager isn't always the best decision especially mod season but Palace are now in the mix of 9 teams that could get relegated. If they continue this form then they will get relegated I keep coming back to this example - Arteta was 15th before heading up the league and then following season was bottom after 3 games with no goals scored and nine conceded yet look at us now. Sacking managers left, right & centre is short term ism - it’s not worked well for Watford previously given they’re now in the 2nd tier or Southampton this season who are bottom and gone through three different managers. There is a reason why Dyche at Burnley, Potter at Brighton & Frank at Brentford all did well - they got time (Frank actually suffered a long winless run in the Championship). Sacking managers doesn’t guarantee you will stay up and I don’t think Palace, despite the poor form, were going to go down given they’re several worse teams existing so for me, very poor decision Well said. It is also one of the reasons Tottenham are very wishy washy, they have tried to do a Chelsea by sacking managers every 2-3 seasons to gain success. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 18, 2023 9:31:53 GMT
Wasting their time with Hodgson, unless they want to remain in constant relegation scraps. Same with Allardyce, they are has been's. Pardew is another name that springs to mind in terms of has beens. In fact if they appoint him they may well get relegated next year! |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 18, 2023 9:39:33 GMT
I keep coming back to this example - Arteta was 15th before heading up the league and then following season was bottom after 3 games with no goals scored and nine conceded yet look at us now. Sacking managers left, right & centre is short term ism - it’s not worked well for Watford previously given they’re now in the 2nd tier or Southampton this season who are bottom and gone through three different managers. There is a reason why Dyche at Burnley, Potter at Brighton & Frank at Brentford all did well - they got time (Frank actually suffered a long winless run in the Championship). Sacking managers doesn’t guarantee you will stay up and I don’t think Palace, despite the poor form, were going to go down given they’re several worse teams existing so for me, very poor decision Well said. It is also one of the reasons Tottenham are very wishy washy, they have tried to do a Chelsea by sacking managers every 2-3 seasons to gain success. But I think that Conte isn't happy at Tottenham and wants to leave in the summer. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not there next season. Poch was good but couldn't compete with the likes of Liverpool and Man City. Problem is that they bottle it too often. In the one season where all the other big clubs were poor and it was a two horse race between them and Leicester, they bottled it and finished 3rd. Now City, Liverpool, Arsenal and United are too good for them. I expect Liverpool will bounce back next season, whilst Spurs will go on the managerial merry go round. This is why Spurs are unsuccessful. Liverpool and City have had the same manager for 7 years so they could build up a great squad and win titles. It's going to be a two horse race for 4th between Liverpool and Spurs. Newcastle are good but I think they'll get Europa League next season. Man Utd will probably finish 3rd but I think the Europa League is a distraction. They should concentrate on consolidating top 4 as based on previous results bar the Liverpool game this is pretty likely and will serve as an easier path to CL football. I'd say the season can be defined as a success, much better style of play, a trophy and most likely CL football next year. Problem with Ole is that I don't think that he had that much potential and was appointed because he was a club legend. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 18, 2023 10:45:13 GMT
Well said. It is also one of the reasons Tottenham are very wishy washy, they have tried to do a Chelsea by sacking managers every 2-3 seasons to gain success. But I think that Conte isn't happy at Tottenham and wants to leave in the summer. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not there next season. Poch was good but couldn't compete with the likes of Liverpool and Man City. Problem is that they bottle it too often. In the one season where all the other big clubs were poor and it was a two horse race between them and Leicester, they bottled it and finished 3rd. Now City, Liverpool, Arsenal and United are too good for them. I expect Liverpool will bounce back next season, whilst Spurs will go on the managerial merry go round. This is why Spurs are unsuccessful. Liverpool and City have had the same manager for 7 years so they could build up a great squad and win titles. It's going to be a two horse race for 4th between Liverpool and Spurs. Newcastle are good but I think they'll get Europa League next season. Man Utd will probably finish 3rd but I think the Europa League is a distraction. They should concentrate on consolidating top 4 as based on previous results bar the Liverpool game this is pretty likely and will serve as an easier path to CL football. I'd say the season can be defined as a success, much better style of play, a trophy and most likely CL football next year. Problem with Ole is that I don't think that he had that much potential and was appointed because he was a club legend. Big things were expected when Conte joined Tottenham but it hasn't happened and he'll probably be gone at the end of the season, maybe they'll recruit another ex Chelsea manager in Thomas Tuchel? The Chelsea revolving door policy has served them well although they seem to be now reaping the benefit of keeping faith in Graham Potter, three wins in a row now. I think Man Utd will be more than happy with their improvement under ETH, I think Ole was a bit out of his depth. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 18, 2023 20:17:11 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Mar 18, 2023 20:34:23 GMT
Not staying after this weekend after that🤣 🤣 |
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