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Post by richard on Aug 21, 2021 1:13:50 GMT
One thing that I have noticed over the years that has bought the standard of driving down is people following sat nav and people on mobile phone. When I started driving this was virtually non existent, did not see it happening. Now people use the sat nav for everything and if the things says turn left, or bare left, they would do it without thinking as their brain becomes robotic and second place to the sat nav. So if there is any other vehicles they would hit them or nearly collide. People on their phones texting or what not really boil my blood I have see a few near misses because of that. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 21, 2021 8:47:59 GMT
One thing that I have noticed over the years that has bought the standard of driving down is people following sat nav and people on mobile phone. When I started driving this was virtually non existent, did not see it happening. Now people use the sat nav for everything and if the things says turn left, or bare left, they would do it without thinking as their brain becomes robotic and second place to the sat nav. So if there is any other vehicles they would hit them or nearly collide. You have really hit the nail on the head this is so true! I have had a few near misses where people have changed lanes late. I honestly don't know how people use sat nav I find them so slow and expect you to change lanes instantly. I am very old school and was taught early on in my driving lessons to follow signs and read road marking. Talking of road markings this is another discipline that people ignore especially crossing solid white lines! |
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Post by MKAY315 on Aug 21, 2021 12:54:13 GMT
WH241 I have to give you credit for this thread. Something I felt that has not been discussed as much is the hard driving test centres to do your test. I don't know for the rest of the folk on here whether you live in London or out of London but I remembered 10 plus years ago of doing my lessons. My instructor actually told me Wanstead is one of the toughest places to pass your test. Especially that roundabout by Redbridge Station. Some have told me Enfield is another tricky place to pass. I'm not sure about Wood Green and Chingford though. Wanstead had the highest fail rate in the late 90's it got as bad as Walthamstow test centre which closed down years ago. The construction of the M11 link road (now the A12) did not help as the area was blighted with traffic etc. The biggest problem parts of the test was Redbridge Roundabout, Leytonstone Green Man roundabout and South Woodford Charlie Browns roundabout. Although most of these have traffic lights they did not in the past. Funny enough I still remembered when the A12 was being built in the 90s. That caused a lot of controversy especially with the people that lived around Cathall Road and Grove Green Road. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 14:52:25 GMT
Swiss Cottage can be a nightmare to navigate by bike, as can Yeading (White Hart). Unfortunately some people think that cyclists should be on the pavement, and usually the worst it gets is that people beep their horn or at least try to encourage me to go on the pavement. However what is not acceptable is what a driver did on Thursday, where I was cycling clearly in the lane I wanted to go and this driver beeped at me and put his middle finger up at me. I usually don't like to be rude but that's a clear lack of respect so I told him to 'f**k off' but I think he drove off before he heard me.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 21, 2021 15:19:45 GMT
Swiss Cottage can be a nightmare to navigate by bike, as can Yeading (White Hart). Unfortunately some people think that cyclists should be on the pavement, and usually the worst it gets is that people beep their horn or at least try to encourage me to go on the pavement. However what is not acceptable is what a driver did on Thursday, where I was cycling clearly in the lane I wanted to go and this driver beeped at me and put his middle finger up at me. I usually don't like to be rude but that's a clear lack of respect so I told him to 'f**k off' but I think he drove off before he heard me. I think the issue starts when cyclists do not realise they are causing traffic by not moving to the side to let a car overtake. I often find cyclists are far more dangerous on roads than car drivers are, taking up an entire lane and refusing to let others past or jumping red lights all the time. Some cyclists do not seem to realise that they are very slow moving compared to a car and that they need to let cars overtake them as otherwise it always ends up clogging the road. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 21, 2021 15:50:37 GMT
Swiss Cottage can be a nightmare to navigate by bike, as can Yeading (White Hart). Unfortunately some people think that cyclists should be on the pavement, and usually the worst it gets is that people beep their horn or at least try to encourage me to go on the pavement. However what is not acceptable is what a driver did on Thursday, where I was cycling clearly in the lane I wanted to go and this driver beeped at me and put his middle finger up at me. I usually don't like to be rude but that's a clear lack of respect so I told him to 'f**k off' but I think he drove off before he heard me. I think the issue starts when cyclists do not realise they are causing traffic by not moving to the side to let a car overtake. I often find cyclists are far more dangerous on roads than car drivers are, taking up an entire lane and refusing to let others past or jumping red lights all the time. Some cyclists do not seem to realise that they are very slow moving compared to a car and that they need to let cars overtake them as otherwise it always ends up clogging the road. Agreed, cyclists can be an annoyance in the way they try to overtake particularly buses. Their dangerous ways of cycling sometimes also really boils my blood.
I also dislike how needy cycling groups can be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 16:32:53 GMT
Swiss Cottage can be a nightmare to navigate by bike, as can Yeading (White Hart). Unfortunately some people think that cyclists should be on the pavement, and usually the worst it gets is that people beep their horn or at least try to encourage me to go on the pavement. However what is not acceptable is what a driver did on Thursday, where I was cycling clearly in the lane I wanted to go and this driver beeped at me and put his middle finger up at me. I usually don't like to be rude but that's a clear lack of respect so I told him to 'f**k off' but I think he drove off before he heard me. I think the issue starts when cyclists do not realise they are causing traffic by not moving to the side to let a car overtake. I often find cyclists are far more dangerous on roads than car drivers are, taking up an entire lane and refusing to let others past or jumping red lights all the time. Some cyclists do not seem to realise that they are very slow moving compared to a car and that they need to let cars overtake them as otherwise it always ends up clogging the road. Yeah I agree that car users find cyclists a nuisance mainly due to their slow speed |
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Post by Volvo on Aug 21, 2021 18:48:10 GMT
Lane discipline doesn't exist anymore, people coming around bends on the wrong side of the road or over the lines, not indicating especially at roundabouts, overtaking the bus when your already moving despite not being able to see what's coming. Running red lights is a new norm, seems alot of motorists have become cyclists.
Female drivers I have noticed have become alot more aggressive aswell.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 21, 2021 19:58:36 GMT
Lane discipline doesn't exist anymore, people coming around bends on the wrong side of the road or over the lines, not indicating especially at roundabouts, overtaking the bus when your already moving despite not being able to see what's coming. Running red lights is a new norm, seems alot of motorists have become cyclists. Female drivers I have noticed have become alot more aggressive aswell. In terms of driving to me I can understand why people want to rush around. For example, if the A24 in Tooting has been reduced down to one lane of course people are going to try and rush out of the area as quickly as possible. I understand some people do treat some roads as a racetrack but making driving a bit of an easier experience and most importantly an efficient experience we wouldn't be faced with such problems and things such as effiency is why people are now choosing to ratrun.
I'd also connect this into the forum topic, being buses that certain routes I've noticed succeed because of how quickly and efficiently they get between A & B. The 210, 221, 251, 263 spring to mind, in East London the 66 springs to mind.
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Post by Volvo on Aug 22, 2021 5:42:17 GMT
Lane discipline doesn't exist anymore, people coming around bends on the wrong side of the road or over the lines, not indicating especially at roundabouts, overtaking the bus when your already moving despite not being able to see what's coming. Running red lights is a new norm, seems alot of motorists have become cyclists. Female drivers I have noticed have become alot more aggressive aswell. In terms of driving to me I can understand why people want to rush around. For example, if the A24 in Tooting has been reduced down to one lane of course people are going to try and rush out of the area as quickly as possible. I understand some people do treat some roads as a racetrack but making driving a bit of an easier experience and most importantly an efficient experience we wouldn't be faced with such problems and things such as effiency is why people are now choosing to ratrun. I'd also connect this into the forum topic, being buses that certain routes I've noticed succeed because of how quickly and efficiently they get between A & B. The 210, 221, 251, 263 spring to mind, in East London the 66 springs to mind.
Okay that's fair enough you want to speak about people rushing due to road works, however not not everywhere has road works and people still drive like idiots. Sometimes I really wonder if they legit have a license. Alot of people tend to be on their phones whilst driving aswell. Another thing I forgot to mention is when people sit in the middle lane on the motorway doing 50-55. Or when two people hog both lanes on a dual carriageway doing about 40-50 when the limit is 70 and finally the amount of people who attempt to join a dual carriageway or motorway at 35-40mph when the traffic on the DC/M are doing 70+ I just don't understand how anyone thinks trying to join a high speed road at half or nearly half the speed is a wise idea but many people do it. Also I drive the 251and it's not always quick depends on Ibus and if certain drivers don't mess about. The 221 I did when I was at Arriva on a test day and that was quick but can't speak about it now. The 210 has always been slow for me really couldn't call that route quick at all and iirc there are now 20mph limits in place between Golfers Green and Highgate Village. Haven't been on the 66 for years but the last time the journey was pure 🔥. Finally the 263 again I don't really agree with this as I have been behind 263s numerous times both in my car between Highbury Corner and North Finchley (at different times and different sections) and also when I do the 326 between Whetstone and Great North Road and again between Barnet Cinema and Barnet Church and I have always thought for what is quite a long route these drivers really so crawl along. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Aug 22, 2021 6:48:43 GMT
In terms of driving to me I can understand why people want to rush around. For example, if the A24 in Tooting has been reduced down to one lane of course people are going to try and rush out of the area as quickly as possible. I understand some people do treat some roads as a racetrack but making driving a bit of an easier experience and most importantly an efficient experience we wouldn't be faced with such problems and things such as effiency is why people are now choosing to ratrun. I'd also connect this into the forum topic, being buses that certain routes I've noticed succeed because of how quickly and efficiently they get between A & B. The 210, 221, 251, 263 spring to mind, in East London the 66 springs to mind.
Okay that's fair enough you want to speak about people rushing due to road works, however not not everywhere has road works and people still drive like idiots. Sometimes I really wonder if they legit have a license. Alot of people tend to be on their phones whilst driving aswell. Another thing I forgot to mention is when people sit in the middle lane on the motorway doing 50-55. Or when two people hog both lanes on a dual carriageway doing about 40-50 when the limit is 70 and finally the amount of people who attempt to join a dual carriageway or motorway at 35-40mph when the traffic on the DC/M are doing 70+ I just don't understand how anyone thinks trying to join a high speed road at half or nearly half the speed is a wise idea but many people do it. Also I drive the 251and it's not always quick depends on Ibus and if certain drivers don't mess about. The 221 I did when I was at Arriva on a test day and that was quick but can't speak about it now. The 210 has always been slow for me really couldn't call that route quick at all and iirc there are now 20mph limits in place between Golfers Green and Highgate Village. Haven't been on the 66 for years but the last time the journey was pure 🔥. Finally the 263 again I don't really agree with this as I have been behind 263s numerous times both in my car between Highbury Corner and North Finchley (at different times and different sections) and also when I do the 326 between Whetstone and Great North Road and again between Barnet Cinema and Barnet Church and I have always thought for what is quite a long route these drivers really so crawl along. All I can say to that is a lot of uber drivers are serial offenders for this. Whenever I've driven on some motorways I've had to flash people to move out of the third lane as that lane is for overtaking purposes ONLY!!!!! How some people don't know this astonishes me. |
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Post by Volvo on Aug 22, 2021 8:22:01 GMT
Okay that's fair enough you want to speak about people rushing due to road works, however not not everywhere has road works and people still drive like idiots. Sometimes I really wonder if they legit have a license. Alot of people tend to be on their phones whilst driving aswell. Another thing I forgot to mention is when people sit in the middle lane on the motorway doing 50-55. Or when two people hog both lanes on a dual carriageway doing about 40-50 when the limit is 70 and finally the amount of people who attempt to join a dual carriageway or motorway at 35-40mph when the traffic on the DC/M are doing 70+ I just don't understand how anyone thinks trying to join a high speed road at half or nearly half the speed is a wise idea but many people do it. Also I drive the 251and it's not always quick depends on Ibus and if certain drivers don't mess about. The 221 I did when I was at Arriva on a test day and that was quick but can't speak about it now. The 210 has always been slow for me really couldn't call that route quick at all and iirc there are now 20mph limits in place between Golfers Green and Highgate Village. Haven't been on the 66 for years but the last time the journey was pure 🔥. Finally the 263 again I don't really agree with this as I have been behind 263s numerous times both in my car between Highbury Corner and North Finchley (at different times and different sections) and also when I do the 326 between Whetstone and Great North Road and again between Barnet Cinema and Barnet Church and I have always thought for what is quite a long route these drivers really so crawl along. All I can say to that is a lot of uber drivers are serial offenders for this. Whenever I've driven on some motorways I've had to flash people to move out of the third lane as that lane is for overtaking purposes ONLY!!!!! How some people don't know this astonishes me. The less said about Uber drivers standard of driving the better. Some of the things I see them do, I honestly don't even know how people trust travelling with them. My trip to Arnos Grove just now reminded me of a few things I have forgotten When driving on a road that has parking bays on one side naturally you have to drive in the centre of the road if the parking bays are on your side. Even if the road is still wide enough for two large vehicles to pass eachother motorists will still drive by the white line instead of moving closer to the kerb to give you space even if you were already there! The same applies for when u have narrow roads and you are already coming through instead of giving you way they rather try to squeeze past the bus. Giving way at roundabouts is another, they always cut Infront of you. Speaking of cutting Infront of you, the idiots that cut Infront of you to then immediately turn right or even worse turn left or worse yet still pull up on the left. It's like so you really couldn't wait to pull up after 30 yards on the left? Honestly I just feel these days bus drivers are just targets for the worst form of driving and that is even from other bus drivers too funnily enough. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 22, 2021 8:34:49 GMT
All I can say to that is a lot of uber drivers are serial offenders for this. Whenever I've driven on some motorways I've had to flash people to move out of the third lane as that lane is for overtaking purposes ONLY!!!!! How some people don't know this astonishes me. The less said about Uber drivers standard of driving the better. Some of the things I see them do, I honestly don't even know how people trust travelling with them. My trip to Arnos Grove just now reminded me of a few things I have forgotten When driving on a road that has parking bays on one side naturally you have to drive in the centre of the road if the parking bays are on your side. Even if the road is still wide enough for two large vehicles to pass eachother motorists will still drive by the white line instead of moving closer to the kerb to give you space even if you were already there! The same applies for when u have narrow roads and you are already coming through instead of giving you way they rather try to squeeze past the bus. Giving way at roundabouts is another, they always cut Infront of you. Speaking of cutting Infront of you, the idiots that cut Infront of you to then immediately turn right or even worse turn left or worse yet still pull up on the left. It's like so you really couldn't wait to pull up after 30 yards on the left? Honestly I just feel these days bus drivers are just targets for the worst form of driving and that is even from other bus drivers too funnily enough. I've never liked Uber, absolutely a last resort for me. Their prices randomly inflating really puts me off, to me if public transport isn't available it's either walking or a black cab if I don't have my car on me. Cycling is out of the question for me. In terms of drivers pulling out to the left randomly it's always in the worst possible places. I've been at Henlys before and just seen people last minute pull out to go to a different road and it absolutely infuriates me. To me I don't understand why some people can't turn around somewhere else or divert their route in order not to cause an accident. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 22, 2021 8:59:10 GMT
Wanstead had the highest fail rate in the late 90's it got as bad as Walthamstow test centre which closed down years ago. The construction of the M11 link road (now the A12) did not help as the area was blighted with traffic etc. The biggest problem parts of the test was Redbridge Roundabout, Leytonstone Green Man roundabout and South Woodford Charlie Browns roundabout. Although most of these have traffic lights they did not in the past. Funny enough I still remembered when the A12 was being built in the 90s. That caused a lot of controversy especially with the people that lived around Cathall Road and Grove Green Road. I remember the area very well before it was built and the construction, shame it did not keep its planned Motorway status. One section I do miss is the Church Lane underpass bridge that went underneath the Central line at Leytonstone. Although I do not miss the loads of pigeons hanging around underneath it. After the construction Gainsborough Road was constructed differently and made larger. It used to have a small single track bridge with a traffic light on it. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 22, 2021 9:01:50 GMT
All I can say to that is a lot of uber drivers are serial offenders for this. Whenever I've driven on some motorways I've had to flash people to move out of the third lane as that lane is for overtaking purposes ONLY!!!!! How some people don't know this astonishes me. The less said about Uber drivers standard of driving the better. Some of the things I see them do, I honestly don't even know how people trust travelling with them. My trip to Arnos Grove just now reminded me of a few things I have forgotten When driving on a road that has parking bays on one side naturally you have to drive in the centre of the road if the parking bays are on your side. Even if the road is still wide enough for two large vehicles to pass eachother motorists will still drive by the white line instead of moving closer to the kerb to give you space even if you were already there! The same applies for when u have narrow roads and you are already coming through instead of giving you way they rather try to squeeze past the bus. Giving way at roundabouts is another, they always cut Infront of you. Speaking of cutting Infront of you, the idiots that cut Infront of you to then immediately turn right or even worse turn left or worse yet still pull up on the left. It's like so you really couldn't wait to pull up after 30 yards on the left? Honestly I just feel these days bus drivers are just targets for the worst form of driving and that is even from other bus drivers too funnily enough. Many of the Uber drivers standard is atrocious, especially the Prius ones. I guess people use them a lot as they are cheap. |
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