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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 17, 2021 22:05:03 GMT
This did make me investigate what the highest Pax/Mile is on night routes N279 N238 N69 N109 N18 N35 N149 N243 N250 N140 Interestingly the 238 seems to be up there again, quite easy to tell which route probably needs frequency increases in both the day and the night  Surprised the N69 made the list I was half expecting this to be lightly used as other similar routes back in the early 00s weren't very successful (N58, N101) but then again the N69 serves major stations such as Stratford and Canning Town. Does it depend on when the N prefix journeys start and end on a particular route, maybe some day routes have later finishes and earlier starts so the night time equivalent would have fewer journeys as a result? |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 17, 2021 22:26:46 GMT
Would've though the (N)365 would be the least used 24 hour route. Kingston is a huge market for night traffic but I guess this is to do with the fact that the 213's busiest section, Kingston-New Malden, is roughly mirrored by the N87. Everyone poo poos on the 365N and it's sometimes rightly deserved when it has the lowest nightly usage most years. However this was during a pandemic year, and with the 365 being the only night route at Queen's Hospital in Romford, I suspect it got a fair bit of usage. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 18, 2021 9:40:32 GMT
Would've though the (N)365 would be the least used 24 hour route. Kingston is a huge market for night traffic but I guess this is to do with the fact that the 213's busiest section, Kingston-New Malden, is roughly mirrored by the N87. Everyone poo poos on the 365N and it's sometimes rightly deserved when it has the lowest nightly usage most years. However this was during a pandemic year, and with the 365 being the only night route at Queen's Hospital in Romford, I suspect it got a fair bit of usage. Fair point, but the 128 also does manage to make it to Queens at night |
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Post by redexpress on Sept 18, 2021 11:24:00 GMT
Surprised the N69 made the list I was half expecting this to be lightly used as other similar routes back in the early 00s weren't very successful (N58, N101) but then again the N69 serves major stations such as Stratford and Canning Town. Does it depend on when the N prefix journeys start and end on a particular route, maybe some day routes have later finishes and earlier starts so the night time equivalent would have fewer journeys as a result? Depends if the list is pax/mile in terms of length of the route, or pax/mile in terms of total mileage covered. Hopefully it's the latter, in which case it doesn't matter how many journeys run. |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 18, 2021 13:37:14 GMT
Everyone poo poos on the 365N and it's sometimes rightly deserved when it has the lowest nightly usage most years. However this was during a pandemic year, and with the 365 being the only night route at Queen's Hospital in Romford, I suspect it got a fair bit of usage. Fair point, but the 128 also does manage to make it to Queens at night Personally, I wouldn't wait half an hour at night for a bus to Queen's just to see the sights of Romford Brewery! 🙊 |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 18, 2021 14:11:44 GMT
This did make me investigate what the highest Pax/Mile is on night routes N279 N238 N69 N109 N18 N35 N149 N243 N250 N140 Interestingly the 238 seems to be up there again, quite easy to tell which route probably needs frequency increases in both the day and the night Surprised the N69 made the list I was half expecting this to be lightly used as other similar routes back in the early 00s weren't very successful (N58, N101) but then again the N69 serves major stations such as Stratford and Canning Town. The 69N has strong patronage out of Walthamstow, it's been frequently quoted that's the only night bus in east London that takes you anywhere close to north London without passing through central. Another factor is the sizeable disembark by punters between Leyton Station and Thatched House (Leytonstone). Whilst the N26 provides assistance along High Road Leyton, no one wants the inconvenience of walking from Leyton Library so most predominantly wait for the 69N. |
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Post by Trafalgax on Oct 11, 2021 18:03:40 GMT
One thing I don’t get is some routes which aren’t in the top 30 are more frequent than the routes that are in the top 30. A good example of this would be 38, it surprisingly didn’t make it in the top 30 yet somehow overall, it’s more frequent than 18 which is supposed to be the busiest route at this point in time.
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Post by thesquirrels on Oct 11, 2021 20:14:00 GMT
One thing I don’t get is some routes which aren’t in the top 30 are more frequent than the routes that are in the top 30. A good example of this would be 38, it surprisingly didn’t make it in the top 30 yet somehow overall, it’s more frequent than 18 which is supposed to be the busiest route at this point in time. It is about how the bus on a given route will be used on a typical journey - not all journeys are equal in length and purpose. A bus can be used more, or less, intensively to give total rider numbers. Frequency needs to be looked at in tandem with route length and where the journeys start and finish, where 'busy' sections of route might be, etc etc. The 38 is busy to and from Victoria Station and through Islington, but it is often quite lightly loaded in Hackney and through Holborn. Inversely the 149 can be packed from first stop to last, with flows to traffic objectives all along the route as well as many end to end riders. Ditto the 18 which is very busy from Marylebone out to Wembley, and only a little quieter on the last mile either end. A seat on the bus, taken at random, might see three or more passengers on a long 18 or 149 journey, while on the 38 the same seat might only see two passengers for much of the day on an end to end trip, and be empty for a time in between. Routes like the 18 and 149 also get very busy from 4am onwards with shift workers, and still be busy past midnight with leisure traffic (e.g. the 149 in Dalston) with little break during the day when shopper/leisure traffic is high, so the usage intensity carries across 18+ hours of the day, rather than the 12-15 typical on most London routes with an off peak daytime gap. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 11, 2021 20:25:08 GMT
One thing I don’t get is some routes which aren’t in the top 30 are more frequent than the routes that are in the top 30. A good example of this would be 38, it surprisingly didn’t make it in the top 30 yet somehow overall, it’s more frequent than 18 which is supposed to be the busiest route at this point in time. It is about how the bus on a given route will be used on a typical journey - not all journeys are equal in length and purpose. A bus can be used more, or less, intensively to give total rider numbers. Frequency needs to be looked at in tandem with route length and where the journeys start and finish, where 'busy' sections of route might be, etc etc. The 38 is busy to and from Victoria Station and through Islington, but it is often quite lightly loaded in Hackney and through Holborn. Inversely the 149 can be packed from first stop to last, with flows to traffic objectives all along the route as well as many end to end riders. Ditto the 18 which is very busy from Marylebone out to Wembley, and only a little quieter on the last mile either end. A seat on the bus, taken at random, might see three or more passengers on a long 18 or 149 journey, while on the 38 the same seat might only see two passengers for much of the day on an end to end trip, and be empty for a time in between. Routes like the 18 and 149 also get very busy from 4am onwards with shift workers, and still be busy past midnight with leisure traffic (e.g. the 149 in Dalston) with little break during the day when shopper/leisure traffic is high, so the usage intensity carries across 18+ hours of the day, rather than the 12-15 typical on most London routes with an off peak daytime gap. Good one Also important to remember that this isn’t the best comparison year given lack of data (no one tapping in), covid etc etc. So a lot of the routes will be anomalous. One needs to have a more “normalised” year (and one can question what the “normal” is going forward!) to have a clearer idea on which route is busy and why |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 26, 2022 11:45:01 GMT
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Post by lonmark on Jul 26, 2022 12:36:37 GMT
Oh silly me not see this one but thank you cheer 🙂👍🏻 |
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