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Post by kmkcheng on Sept 30, 2023 14:31:45 GMT
The reason I say it won't get reversed is because it would cost more money to undo everything they've done. IIRC did Boris not cancel the proposed western extension of the "ken"gestion charge. Apparently this was said to have increased his votes to make him win. It wasn’t proposed. The western extension was live for nearly 4 years between February 2007 and December 2010 before Boris reduced the congestion zone back to the original Central London boundaries. |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 30, 2023 14:45:30 GMT
This is another thing people need to understand. When the high ups say they don't have money. What they really mean is they don't have money for YOU!!! They have money to do things but it won't benefit them so they won't spend it freely without some sort of incentive given back to them. The famous saying buy low to sell high comes to mind. The reason I say it won't get reversed is because it would cost more money to undo everything they've done. IIRC did Boris not cancel the proposed western extension of the "ken"gestion charge. Apparently this was said to have increased his votes to make him win. Obviously the poor people in south Ken / Knightsbridge or the ones with Middle Eastern number plates can’t afford to pay congestion zone charges, they are too poor. But the guy on the bread line in havering is rich enough to pay, while his local bus doesn’t run on Sundays or evenings |
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Post by Paul on Sept 30, 2023 20:35:29 GMT
I’m not suggesting or insinuating that anyone here is doing this but it occurs to me that during the forthcoming Mayoral elections the Labour side could push the narrative that the ULEZ expansion cannot be rescinded despite Susan Hall being on the record as saying it would be removed on day one should she be elected. It would make for good election propaganda for Labour to claim that she’s lying and can’t remove the scheme - it could make a number of voters think twice about voting Conservative
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 30, 2023 20:45:56 GMT
I’m not suggesting or insinuating that anyone here is doing this but it occurs to me that during the forthcoming Mayoral elections the Labour side could push the narrative that the ULEZ expansion cannot be rescinded despite Susan Hall being on the record as saying it would be removed on day one should she be elected. It would make for good election propaganda for Labour to claim that she’s lying and can’t remove the scheme - it could make a number of voters think twice about voting Conservative Susan Hall reminds me of Jo Swinson - both trying to implement unrealistic policies as soon as they get into power. I know people hate ULEZ but soon people will get over it. By next year they would have forgotten about it and Labour will most likely win again. Also the vandalising of cameras is silly it literally does nothing to stop ULEZ |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 30, 2023 21:31:22 GMT
I’m not suggesting or insinuating that anyone here is doing this but it occurs to me that during the forthcoming Mayoral elections the Labour side could push the narrative that the ULEZ expansion cannot be rescinded despite Susan Hall being on the record as saying it would be removed on day one should she be elected. It would make for good election propaganda for Labour to claim that she’s lying and can’t remove the scheme - it could make a number of voters think twice about voting Conservative Susan Hall reminds me of Jo Swinson - both trying to implement unrealistic policies as soon as they get into power. I know people hate ULEZ but soon people will get over it. By next year they would have forgotten about it and Labour will most likely win again. Also the vandalising of cameras is silly it literally does nothing to stop ULEZ Silly? A camera put out of action obviously isn't going to be clocking registration numbers. And there's nothing unrealistic about stopping the ULEZ charge. You need to get real, nobody is going to get over it. Whether or not you condone vandalism is up to you but simply obscuring the cameras isn't illegal. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 1, 2023 7:18:46 GMT
I know people hate ULEZ but soon people will get over it. By next year they would have forgotten about it and Labour will most likely win again. Also the vandalising of cameras is silly it literally does nothing to stop ULEZ I suggest you go and spend some time in Orpington or Biggin Hill. People are not going to forget about ULEZ. But your comments feed exactly into what I said; put it out there that people will forget and a Labour victory is inevitable and maybe some people will just think it’s isn’t worth their while voting. I can only speak for my local area but the depth of feeling and ill will towards Labour generally and Khan in particular is incredibly strong. If that sort of depth of feeling is repeated around the various outer boroughs then a Labour victory is not the inevitability some people keep trying to tell us it is |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 1, 2023 7:34:02 GMT
I know people hate ULEZ but soon people will get over it. By next year they would have forgotten about it and Labour will most likely win again. Also the vandalising of cameras is silly it literally does nothing to stop ULEZ I suggest you go and spend some time in Orpington or Biggin Hill. People are not going to forget about ULEZ. But your comments feed exactly into what I said; put it out there that people will forget and a Labour victory is inevitable and maybe some people will just think it’s isn’t worth their while voting. I can only speak for my local area but the depth of feeling and ill will towards Labour generally and Khan in particular is incredibly strong. If that sort of depth of feeling is repeated around the various outer boroughs then a Labour victory is not the inevitability some people keep trying to tell us it is Orpington and Biggin Hill are not typical of London, I would argue that Biggin Hill should not even be in Greater London, possibly Orpington neither. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 1, 2023 7:35:23 GMT
I know people hate ULEZ but soon people will get over it. By next year they would have forgotten about it and Labour will most likely win again. Also the vandalising of cameras is silly it literally does nothing to stop ULEZ I suggest you go and spend some time in Orpington or Biggin Hill. People are not going to forget about ULEZ. But your comments feed exactly into what I said; put it out there that people will forget and a Labour victory is inevitable and maybe some people will just think it’s isn’t worth their while voting. I can only speak for my local area but the depth of feeling and ill will towards Labour generally and Khan in particular is incredibly strong. If that sort of depth of feeling is repeated around the various outer boroughs then a Labour victory is not the inevitability some people keep trying to tell us it is Exactly, this isn't something that's going to just go away anytime soon, the anger from people of various political persuasions is quite palpable. Some people are also blaming the government saying that they could have done more to stop this but they were quite happy to let it go ahead knowing the damage it would do to Labour and it plays right into Rishi Sunak's pledge to end the war on motorists. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 1, 2023 7:53:25 GMT
I know people hate ULEZ but soon people will get over it. By next year they would have forgotten about it and Labour will most likely win again. Also the vandalising of cameras is silly it literally does nothing to stop ULEZ I suggest you go and spend some time in Orpington or Biggin Hill. People are not going to forget about ULEZ. But your comments feed exactly into what I said; put it out there that people will forget and a Labour victory is inevitable and maybe some people will just think it’s isn’t worth their while voting. I can only speak for my local area but the depth of feeling and ill will towards Labour generally and Khan in particular is incredibly strong. If that sort of depth of feeling is repeated around the various outer boroughs then a Labour victory is not the inevitability some people keep trying to tell us it is The areas you describe are typical Tory voting areas, the majority are not, and even with ULEZ being implemented I don't predict a large swing of votes from Labour to Tory. Labour gained significant ground on the Tories in Uxbridge |
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Post by Paul on Oct 1, 2023 8:26:15 GMT
I suggest you go and spend some time in Orpington or Biggin Hill. People are not going to forget about ULEZ. But your comments feed exactly into what I said; put it out there that people will forget and a Labour victory is inevitable and maybe some people will just think it’s isn’t worth their while voting. I can only speak for my local area but the depth of feeling and ill will towards Labour generally and Khan in particular is incredibly strong. If that sort of depth of feeling is repeated around the various outer boroughs then a Labour victory is not the inevitability some people keep trying to tell us it is Orpington and Biggin Hill are not typical of London, I would argue that Biggin Hill should not even be in Greater London, possibly Orpington neither. I suppose a Labour Mayoral victory would be a lot easier without those pesky Conservative voting areas being in Greater London……. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 1, 2023 8:29:46 GMT
I suggest you go and spend some time in Orpington or Biggin Hill. People are not going to forget about ULEZ. But your comments feed exactly into what I said; put it out there that people will forget and a Labour victory is inevitable and maybe some people will just think it’s isn’t worth their while voting. I can only speak for my local area but the depth of feeling and ill will towards Labour generally and Khan in particular is incredibly strong. If that sort of depth of feeling is repeated around the various outer boroughs then a Labour victory is not the inevitability some people keep trying to tell us it is Orpington and Biggin Hill are not typical of London, I would argue that Biggin Hill should not even be in Greater London, possibly Orpington neither. The only thing I'd say is that those areas would lose a lot of benefits if they went into Kent, like losing a lot of tfl services. With Orpington, I'd say that all the R routes would cease to operate under tfl and perhaps a few of them axed. Even the B14 could be withdrawn with modifications to other routes As for Biggin Hill the R2 and R8 would definitely be non tfl routes and in addition the 246 and 464 and the 146 in Downe |
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Post by Paul on Oct 1, 2023 8:37:15 GMT
The areas you describe are typical Tory voting areas, the majority are not, and even with ULEZ being implemented I don't predict a large swing of votes from Labour to Tory. Labour gained significant ground on the Tories in Uxbridge The last ‘blade runner’ map I saw showed the scope of black cameras spreading. It’s unlikely to be the same people vandalising all the cameras so it follows that the number of people sufficiently angered by Khan’s new tax is growing. Is it likely to result in a large enough swing to the Conservatives to win the election for Susan Hall? Possibly not but there’s a good chance the Labour vote will end up being split as there are also traditional Labour voters angered by ULEZ and while they might not be able to bring themselves to vote Conservative they could easily vote Liberal Democrat or an independent and take votes away from Khan allowing the Conservatives in Let’s not forget that the election won’t be fought just on the topic of ULEZ - many people, myself included, are aghast at the lawlessness on London’s streets and as far as I can tell Khan has only paid lip service to improving matters. He’s a ‘photo op’ politician - keen to get his face in there on the meaningless topic of the day but rather less keen to do some real work and get some results. How anyone can consider him the best candidate to lead London is completely beyond me |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2023 12:39:58 GMT
The areas you describe are typical Tory voting areas, the majority are not, and even with ULEZ being implemented I don't predict a large swing of votes from Labour to Tory. Labour gained significant ground on the Tories in Uxbridge The last ‘blade runner’ map I saw showed the scope of black cameras spreading. It’s unlikely to be the same people vandalising all the cameras so it follows that the number of people sufficiently angered by Khan’s new tax is growing. Is it likely to result in a large enough swing to the Conservatives to win the election for Susan Hall? Possibly not but there’s a good chance the Labour vote will end up being split as there are also traditional Labour voters angered by ULEZ and while they might not be able to bring themselves to vote Conservative they could easily vote Liberal Democrat or an independent and take votes away from Khan allowing the Conservatives in Let’s not forget that the election won’t be fought just on the topic of ULEZ - many people, myself included, are aghast at the lawlessness on London’s streets and as far as I can tell Khan has only paid lip service to improving matters. He’s a ‘photo op’ politician - keen to get his face in there on the meaningless topic of the day but rather less keen to do some real work and get some results. How anyone can consider him the best candidate to lead London is completely beyond me Isn’t every politician just that though - a photo op politician or a “I promise” but then break it politician. I’ve never voted Khan for mayor but to think Hall is going to be any better on these issues personally is a reach. I do think people need to consider voting for an independent (not called Reform) more seriously - I did it last time and it felt refreshing not to vote for a status quo candidate even if she never got in. IMO, we need a progressive mayor and neither Khan or Hall are anything but |
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Post by rugbyref on Oct 1, 2023 12:50:10 GMT
I’m not suggesting or insinuating that anyone here is doing this but it occurs to me that during the forthcoming Mayoral elections the Labour side could push the narrative that the ULEZ expansion cannot be rescinded despite Susan Hall being on the record as saying it would be removed on day one should she be elected. It would make for good election propaganda for Labour to claim that she’s lying and can’t remove the scheme - it could make a number of voters think twice about voting Conservative You want Labour to lie about Hall’s promise? Sounds par for Labour. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 1, 2023 16:45:41 GMT
IMO, we need a progressive mayor and neither Khan or Hall are anything but I agree that we need something different but expecting the top two candidates to be anything but Labour and Conservative is a bit of a reach at this moment in time. There isn’t sufficient interest in politics for everyone to look closely at all candidates and select the one that aligns to their beliefs the most. For a huge number of people the choice is red or blue and at this point, for me, red has failed London in a number of different ways |
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