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Post by BL15HCD on Jul 2, 2024 19:46:51 GMT
The 413s EVs are the same length at the 163/164s. They couldn’t go any longer because of the tight turn on Hartfield Road. They are? Huh, for some reason the 413's feels longer than the 163/164's, probably some misremembering on my end from using the S2 too much lol, mb. wheelchair space bigger on new evs hence it feels smaller due to less seat |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 2, 2024 19:51:19 GMT
The 413s EVs are the same length at the 163/164s. They couldn’t go any longer because of the tight turn on Hartfield Road. They are? Huh, for some reason the 413's feels longer than the 163/164's, probably some misremembering on my end from using the S2 too much lol, mb. It’s the layout, the older ones on the 413 use 31 seats whereas the 163/164 models only have 29 seats. So it appears smaller but utilises the exact small requirements. Occasionally the 152s 10.2m SEe and the two from the P12 are appearing on the 163/164 but these appearances are sporadic. |
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 2, 2024 19:53:27 GMT
They are? Huh, for some reason the 413's feels longer than the 163/164's, probably some misremembering on my end from using the S2 too much lol, mb. It’s the layout, the older ones on the 413 use 31 seats whereas the 163/164 models only have 29 seats. So it appears smaller but utilises the exact small requirements. Occasionally the 152s 10.2m SEe and the two from the P12 are appearing on the 163/164 but these appearances are sporadic. Ah, that's understandable then. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 22, 2024 8:03:14 GMT
490 x20mins Sunday daytimes is a disgrace, hope this gets improved soon.
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Post by bk10mfe on Jul 22, 2024 17:52:17 GMT
490 x20mins Sunday daytimes is a disgrace, hope this gets improved soon. Tbh the 490 should be decked, only reason it can’t is due to a low tree at Pools on the Park. Easy swap with the R70 now though. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jul 22, 2024 18:05:28 GMT
490 x20mins Sunday daytimes is a disgrace, hope this gets improved soon. Tbh the 490 should be decked, only reason it can’t is due to a low tree at Pools on the Park. Easy swap with the R70 now though. The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 22, 2024 18:09:44 GMT
Tbh the 490 should be decked, only reason it can’t is due to a low tree at Pools on the Park. Easy swap with the R70 now though. The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. Agreed, something more elaborate than simply swapping with the R70 would be better, preferably involving a split of route 110. 110 to Kew Retail Park, R68 to Pools on the Park, 490 terminating at new stand at Richmond Station and a new route to take on the ex 391 section of the 110 would be what I would do. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2024 18:10:11 GMT
Tbh the 490 should be decked, only reason it can’t is due to a low tree at Pools on the Park. Easy swap with the R70 now though. The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. Could definitely throw the 110 in for a review aswell due to the traffic it now encounters. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jul 22, 2024 18:19:33 GMT
The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. Agreed, something more elaborate than simply swapping with the R70 would be better, preferably involving a split of route 110. 110 to Kew Retail Park, R68 to Pools on the Park, 490 terminating at new stand at Richmond Station and a new route to take on the ex 391 section of the 110 would be what I would do. I like these proposals especially route 110 one. The split has to happen at some point. Perhaps a Hammersmith to Twickenham station route via ex route 391 section, Richmond Town Centre and St. Margaret's Station could be another proposal? |
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Post by paulo on Jul 22, 2024 18:20:38 GMT
Tbh the 490 should be decked, only reason it can’t is due to a low tree at Pools on the Park. Easy swap with the R70 now though. The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. 110 doing that distance was never going to work. Reducing it to Kew Retail Park is a good idea with the R68 stopping at the pools. 490 can be converted to double deck using the 285s hybrids in 2026 if retained. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 22, 2024 21:06:40 GMT
Tbh the 490 should be decked, only reason it can’t is due to a low tree at Pools on the Park. Easy swap with the R70 now though. The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. The problem with the Richmond area routes is the limited stand space. You can't easily shorten one route to improve reliability, without extending another. Ideally the 110 or even the 65 could be worth splitting, but most routes currently terminating in Richmond are at an optimum length now (337, 493, R70 etc). If no more stand space can be found, I think the best option would be to extend the H37. It currently works well as a short shuttle route, but equally it could still likely be run reliably if lengthened. Maybe something like a 371/H37 merger could work, but there's likely some tight roads around Ham that wouldn't fit DXE-length SDs. I also think the Hammersmith Bridge area routes need to be considered at the same time. Would the 110 for instance be more reliable if it instead ran via the 419 as originally proposed, but terminating at Castelnau for now? In this case you could then reroute the 265 at Barnes up to Castelnau to replace the rest of the 419, and also extend the 72 to Roehampton via Putney Bridge (as per the N72). The 33 is also an interesting route to discuss, since it can currently take DDs (and likely needs some extra capacity), but there's a possibility Hammersmith Bridge could eventually reopen, and TFL would have to de-convert it back to SDs again. But I think combining the 33 and H37 together could be a solution. Longer SDs would likely fit around the Castelnau-Richmond end of the 33, which would be a good compromise. So my suggestion would be for a revised 33 to operate between Castelnau and Hounslow, replacing the H37 (but instead going via Twickenham Bridge to continue to serve Richmond Station). Then the Fulwell end could be replaced by a route from Fulwell to Hammersmith, via the current 33 to Richmond then the current 110? |
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Post by aaron1 on Jul 22, 2024 21:41:04 GMT
Other routes that Should be double deck are 95 and 487 as there always full still dreaming of the day when it happens
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2024 21:43:51 GMT
The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. The problem with the Richmond area routes is the limited stand space. You can't easily shorten one route to improve reliability, without extending another. Ideally the 110 or even the 65 could be worth splitting, but most routes currently terminating in Richmond are at an optimum length now (337, 493, R70 etc). If no more stand space can be found, I think the best option would be to extend the H37. It currently works well as a short shuttle route, but equally it could still likely be run reliably if lengthened. Maybe something like a 371/H37 merger could work, but there's likely some tight roads around Ham that wouldn't fit DXE-length SDs. I also think the Hammersmith Bridge area routes need to be considered at the same time. Would the 110 for instance be more reliable if it instead ran via the 419 as originally proposed, but terminating at Castelnau for now? In this case you could then reroute the 265 at Barnes up to Castelnau to replace the rest of the 419, and also extend the 72 to Roehampton via Putney Bridge (as per the N72). The 33 is also an interesting route to discuss, since it can currently take DDs (and likely needs some extra capacity), but there's a possibility Hammersmith Bridge could eventually reopen, and TFL would have to de-convert it back to SDs again. But I think combining the 33 and H37 together could be a solution. Longer SDs would likely fit around the Castelnau-Richmond end of the 33, which would be a good compromise. So my suggestion would be for a revised 33 to operate between Castelnau and Hounslow, replacing the H37 (but instead going via Twickenham Bridge to continue to serve Richmond Station). Then the Fulwell end could be replaced by a route from Fulwell to Hammersmith, via the current 33 to Richmond then the current 110? Plus a Richmond to Wimbledon Superloop route may need space aswell thou I'd imagine that would use the Manor Circus stand in order to pick up outside the Station. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 23, 2024 9:14:53 GMT
The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. The problem with the Richmond area routes is the limited stand space. You can't easily shorten one route to improve reliability, without extending another. Ideally the 110 or even the 65 could be worth splitting, but most routes currently terminating in Richmond are at an optimum length now (337, 493, R70 etc). If no more stand space can be found, I think the best option would be to extend the H37. It currently works well as a short shuttle route, but equally it could still likely be run reliably if lengthened. Maybe something like a 371/H37 merger could work, but there's likely some tight roads around Ham that wouldn't fit DXE-length SDs. I also think the Hammersmith Bridge area routes need to be considered at the same time. Would the 110 for instance be more reliable if it instead ran via the 419 as originally proposed, but terminating at Castelnau for now? In this case you could then reroute the 265 at Barnes up to Castelnau to replace the rest of the 419, and also extend the 72 to Roehampton via Putney Bridge (as per the N72). The 33 is also an interesting route to discuss, since it can currently take DDs (and likely needs some extra capacity), but there's a possibility Hammersmith Bridge could eventually reopen, and TFL would have to de-convert it back to SDs again. But I think combining the 33 and H37 together could be a solution. Longer SDs would likely fit around the Castelnau-Richmond end of the 33, which would be a good compromise. So my suggestion would be for a revised 33 to operate between Castelnau and Hounslow, replacing the H37 (but instead going via Twickenham Bridge to continue to serve Richmond Station). Then the Fulwell end could be replaced by a route from Fulwell to Hammersmith, via the current 33 to Richmond then the current 110? I wouldn't suggest touching the H37, as mentioned it works effectively in its current form. A new stand outside Richmond Station would certainly be feasible though, which would enable the 110 to be split. I also don't think the 33 needs to be brought into this. I'd personally suggest a new circular route 391/392 running Hammersmith to Hammersmith via the 110 to Richmond, then the 371 to Marchmont Road, Queens Road, Sheen Road, A205 to Chalkers Corner then route 419 to Hammersmith when the bridge reopens. Until then, either your 265/72 proposal could be used to cover the rest of the 419, or the circular route could simply terminate at the Marshgate School stand on Queens Road and not be a circular route until the bridge reopens. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 23, 2024 9:17:02 GMT
The problem with the Richmond area routes is the limited stand space. You can't easily shorten one route to improve reliability, without extending another. Ideally the 110 or even the 65 could be worth splitting, but most routes currently terminating in Richmond are at an optimum length now (337, 493, R70 etc). If no more stand space can be found, I think the best option would be to extend the H37. It currently works well as a short shuttle route, but equally it could still likely be run reliably if lengthened. Maybe something like a 371/H37 merger could work, but there's likely some tight roads around Ham that wouldn't fit DXE-length SDs. I also think the Hammersmith Bridge area routes need to be considered at the same time. Would the 110 for instance be more reliable if it instead ran via the 419 as originally proposed, but terminating at Castelnau for now? In this case you could then reroute the 265 at Barnes up to Castelnau to replace the rest of the 419, and also extend the 72 to Roehampton via Putney Bridge (as per the N72). The 33 is also an interesting route to discuss, since it can currently take DDs (and likely needs some extra capacity), but there's a possibility Hammersmith Bridge could eventually reopen, and TFL would have to de-convert it back to SDs again. But I think combining the 33 and H37 together could be a solution. Longer SDs would likely fit around the Castelnau-Richmond end of the 33, which would be a good compromise. So my suggestion would be for a revised 33 to operate between Castelnau and Hounslow, replacing the H37 (but instead going via Twickenham Bridge to continue to serve Richmond Station). Then the Fulwell end could be replaced by a route from Fulwell to Hammersmith, via the current 33 to Richmond then the current 110? Plus a Richmond to Wimbledon Superloop route may need space aswell thou I'd imagine that would use the Manor Circus stand in order to pick up outside the Station. Honestly I think the Richmond to Wimbledon Superloop 2 route should simply be extended to Ealing with no SL65 route. |
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