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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2021 20:23:21 GMT
I think the 110 and 391 were probably the wrong two routes to join together due to the now indirect and long nature of the 110. The 419 probably was the better choice as its shorter and more direct to Hammersmith but obviously the Bridge Troubles put that out. If it was able to take DDs then the H37 could have taken on the 337 effectively removing a route to Manor Circus and one from the bus station. In fact had the routing remained the same as the 37 then the 337 probably would have run from Hounslow to CJ anyways in 1991. The great advantage of route H37 is that it serves Richmond Station which the 37/337 didn’t/wouldn’t. Yes. One of the quirks of the 493 was that is provided a direct service from Richmond Station along Upper Richmond Road that the 33 and 337 don't. Not that Eton Street is that far from the station ofcourse. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2021 20:41:46 GMT
I like the 337 route actually. The way it goes from urban zone 2 past the Peabody estate etc at Clapham Junction out to the quaint Richmond via Barnes Common. So do I ever since my first couple of rides under London United with M’s - on the rare occasions when the South Circular behaves, it’s a nice ride |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2021 21:11:58 GMT
I like the 337 route actually. The way it goes from urban zone 2 past the Peabody estate etc at Clapham Junction out to the quaint Richmond via Barnes Common. So do I ever since my first couple of rides under London United with M’s - on the rare occasions when the South Circular behaves, it’s a nice ride My first would have been a VA then VLAs. Ms would have been good. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2021 22:12:07 GMT
So do I ever since my first couple of rides under London United with M’s - on the rare occasions when the South Circular behaves, it’s a nice ride My first would have been a VA then VLAs. Ms would have been good. Yeah, the two M rides I had were great. I had two VA's and they were great as were the VLA's. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2021 22:28:28 GMT
My first would have been a VA then VLAs. Ms would have been good. Yeah, the two M rides I had were great. I had two VA's and they were great as were the VLA's. You must have been quite young when you started going out riding around 2000 as I think your a couple of years younger then me. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2021 23:43:39 GMT
Yeah, the two M rides I had were great. I had two VA's and they were great as were the VLA's. You must have been quite young when you started going out riding around 2000 as I think your a couple of years younger then me. I didn't really start until I was in my later years at secondary (2004 onwards) - only reason I used the 337 under London United was down to my family having 2 different days out to Richmond  |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 16, 2021 7:49:19 GMT
You must have been quite young when you started going out riding around 2000 as I think your a couple of years younger then me. I didn't really start until I was in my later years at secondary (2004 onwards) - only reason I used the 337 under London United was down to my family having 2 different days out to Richmond I was about the same age in 2002 and can still remember well arriving in Streatham, taking an RM along the High Road abit (using the string bell) then taking a packed L on the 250 down to Croydon then an L on the 264 up to Mitcham. A few months later I remember on an inset day taking a 133 from Tooting Broadway to Oval then a RM 36 to Lewisham (I can still picture the female conductor jolly the whole time) and taking an Kentish Bus L on the 2 to Crystal Palace (quite a rare working as they always seemed to be on the 176). Good Times |
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Post by ian on Nov 16, 2021 12:51:29 GMT
I really hope they can do something to sort out the peak hours capacity issues on 251 - the seemingly unsolvable problem of overhanging trees clashing with the need for DDs etc
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Post by sleckdeck on Nov 17, 2021 23:31:19 GMT
Brentford to Twickenham and back. Brentford is usually the busiest section going towards fulwell, and isleworth tends to be the busiest section towards hammermsith. Half the time I do not even get allowed on the bus as there isn't sufficient space. The R68 is definitely a route that has always been really busy but tfl seems to ignore it, same with routes like the 281. Could the r68 take double deckers or is there a restriction in Kew or something? But to be honest, there wasn't sufficient capacity even before the H22 had been withdrawn from Manor Circus to Heath Road. But now it is even worse to the point that something needs to be done. The 481 being extended to Brentford county court would be a fantastic extension, would help relieve stress on the 267. Similar to how the E1 is going to relieve stress on the 65 once it's extended to Gillette Corner. The H22 perhaps could have been extended to Brentford instead. I do think that the 391 really could have been extended elsewhere rather than withdrawing the route, such as to Central Middlesex hospital or Kingston. What do you think? I have always doubted the efficiency of the H22 extension from Twickenham to West Middlesex Hospital, every 12mins daytimes in place of route 110 every 20mins. I would be interested to know how well it loads on the extended section in the peaks, but on the occasions that I have seen it off peak, I’ve not been that impressed and there have been plenty of spare seats on the 267 bus behind. In the current climate there’s no chance of an extension to Brentford. Same, I doubted the H22 extension to West Middlesex hospital..hardly anyone uses that route between that section in both ways - especially if a 267 is Infront. It loads up and nobody actually uses the H22. The trouble with the 267 from my observation, is that the bus behind would only catch up by Twickenham to the point the bus you were originally on would have emptied out anyways. Its rare to see a 267 run empty behind a busy one, usually they both run empty together. The 110 extension is fantastic, even before the new bus stops it was still a great idea. The route is well used. The H22 on the other hand is pointless being extended down to West Middlesex, either send it to Brentford or back to Richmond because it is very very pointless. Obviously this is unlikely to happen, but I have never seen it fill up until Twickenham Green. |
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Post by rugbyref on Nov 22, 2021 20:02:47 GMT
On match days at Twickenham, the 110 could definitely do with double decking.
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Post by londonboy71 on Dec 8, 2021 0:46:07 GMT
On match days at Twickenham, the 110 could definitely do with double decking. Ie thrtr not a thread for bus types? It's nothing to do with actual route chsnged |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2021 2:11:26 GMT
On match days at Twickenham, the 110 could definitely do with double decking. Ie thrtr not a thread for bus types? It's nothing to do with actual route chsnged The thread of the title is called routes that urgently need an update - there is no specific mention in the title of the thread that says it's solely about the routes changed. Therefore, if rugbyref wants to post that the 110 could do with double decking on match days at Twickenham, he/she is well within their right to stick it in this thread. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 16, 2021 22:56:59 GMT
The 92 and 395 need a increase with their frequencies. The 487 could do with a conversion to double deck operation.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:40:14 GMT
The great advantage of route H37 is that it serves Richmond Station which the 37/337 didn’t/wouldn’t. Yes. One of the quirks of the 493 was that is provided a direct service from Richmond Station along Upper Richmond Road that the 33 and 337 don't. Not that Eton Street is that far from the station ofcourse. I would say Church Road is much better a stop to get off for the station, unless you want to go to Platform 1 of course. It's much closer and there can be a lot of traffic between Church Road and Eton Street bus stops, especially with the fourways junction and then Paradise Road, you could add 2 or 3 minutes if you get red lights. There's a side entrance on Church Road, but just not to Platform 1. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:42:10 GMT
I really hope they can do something to sort out the peak hours capacity issues on 251 - the seemingly unsolvable problem of overhanging trees clashing with the need for DDs etc Could it take 12m buses on retender? |
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