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Post by ServerKing on Dec 1, 2021 20:52:20 GMT
I think the bikes will go, at least half of them end up being used for kids "trapping" as Stormzy alluded to... as for the Bakerloo line, part of it is served by the Overground DC line, some of the trains are 1967 stock displaced from the Victoria Line and are in a state. Talking of states, the "nanny state" Watch Your Speed campaign could be cut back, along with social distancing cycle lanes, end the riverbus if still in operation, get rid of the cable car to Nowhere... I think another bailout shows DfT that TfL cannot run itself, if it were a private firm, it would have gone bust by now. If there's to be another lockdown, it seems we are being nudged towards one, there will be even less on the network. As for Overground, it's run privately already (Arriva Rail London) and I think MTR are running the TfL Rail / Crossrail stuff. It just has TfL livery. I can see the government taking over. Part of this will be political will, I think TfL has too much to look after. I applaud some of the tech it wants to roll out, but it's hard to decide what you will spend on when you're broke Yes, but the Government moved quickly to convert all rail franchises to management contracts in March 2020, and has supported the bus industry outside Londpon to the tune of £4billion to date with support for revenue shortfall continuing until at least April 2022. They too would all have gone bust without Government support. As part of the conditions for the bailouts, TfL was required to keep services at artificially high levels, to allow social distancing for those people who still needed to make essential journeys. This is precisely in line with the conditions that were applied to support given to all other bus and rail operators during the pandemic. To say "TfL cannot run itself, if it were a private firm, it would have gone bust by now" I think, is unfair. People have worked hard to keep services going during what has been a very difficult period for the transport industry, both in and out of London. I think you misunderstood my comment. I have worked for TfL, there are alot of hard working people, such as those keeping 49 year old Bakerloo line stock going, but there's a lot of consultants and fringe jobs, such as a Knife Crime Czar and such like these. Having relied on public transport since August last year (driving ban, social distanced 232 bus to court and back), I do see how useful buses and underground have been. But TfL's issue is it is run like a Council, which brings all the red tape, woke jobs... hence peeing money up the wall. I applaud the safety and speed regulation systems they want to put on the buses (and on a lot of midlife buses, which now could mean any age ), as was listed on the report to DfT that will be seen in a week's time, but it is quite expensive considering passenger numbers are dropping, meaning less revenue and income, and on it goes... I know some of this is political games, previous mayor doesn't want successor to do well etc., Boris may feel he has to keep those in The North onside having upset them with chopping off the Eastern arm of HS2 towards Leeds etc., so he may not want to be seen spending even more on London, especially if that money disappears so fast. There's a lot of outsourcing, I worked for Logica, who ran IT for 55 Broadway, along with SCC and a few other IT firms. The cost of rolling out HP PDAs which were all the rage back in 2005, plus other expensive IT equipment, printers, 52 inch plasma screens for station managers and to other offices must have slowly been burning a hole in their pocket. Leon Daniels, during his tenure even had Bristol (makers of the LH and VR) and their successors design an electric eingle deck bus (in an early copy of Londoner magazine) which must have cost a bit. To use a football analogy, for every hard working Harry Kane, there's a Dele Alli just happy to take the money 💰 There cannot be more charges for the motorist such as ULEZ to keep some money coming in... I hope things can sort out, but it does look like there will have to be cuts to services. I think all bus routes should be re numbered seeing as there's significant gaps in our 670 or so routes, it would make things easier, a lot of things are kept just so due to tradition, TfL make strides in some areas, but seem to struggle in others, such as the bus branding attempts and so-called Express routes (around 4, and quite random). TfL is what Spurs boss Antonio Conte would call a "crazy team, up and down, not stable" I am sure a slimmed-down and simplified TfL managing core transport (buses, tube, Overground) would thrive with better management and planning. Now back on the road, I can see the horrendous traffic and it taking an age with 20 zones, and it's an expensive trip into town. There was talk of even charging Euro6 compliant and electric cars the ULEZ charge as TfL is not making enough revenue from it. Sadiq Khan is proving to be the Rafa Benitez of management compared to his predecessors
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Post by buspete on Dec 11, 2021 0:47:09 GMT
I work for TFL also.
No need to close anything and in fairness LUL should be able to buy one train a week.
However this could all be helped if TFL was subsided like other world city, also what would be helpful if efforts were made to collect and enforce revenue, which is lacking when you see some guy about 40, travelling on their kids/parents’ Oyster card.
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 16, 2021 14:44:57 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 16, 2021 15:09:35 GMT
Jesus Christ Kahn is dangerous man with a short memory “Mr Khan said it was unfair that there was money for a £1 billion Northern line extension to Battersea in Tory-controlled Wandsworth, but not Labour-ran boroughs.” Whilst the loans were publicly funded my understanding was is that it will be repaid from private sector funding. So now he trying to enact a class war in London.
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 16, 2021 15:20:20 GMT
Jesus Christ Kahn is dangerous man with a short memory “Mr Khan said it was unfair that there was money for a £1 billion Northern line extension to Battersea in Tory-controlled Wandsworth, but not Labour-ran boroughs.” Whilst the loans were publicly funded my understanding was is that it will be repaid from private sector funding. So now he trying to enact a class war in London. Just more convenient rhetoric to throw at the government. The nature, scale and cost of these plans are entirely different.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Dec 16, 2021 16:17:07 GMT
The whole network. What! How can that happen. This is really bad. TfL is essentially a local authority and so if it issues an S114 it would not be able to run anything other than statutory services - those being school transport, taxi licensing, some trunk road repairs and the Woolwich Ferry. The Tube, DLR, Overground, Tramlink, TfL rail and the majority of the bus network would likely be closed - but past the immediate focus on statutory services, there could be a resumption of a slimmed down selection of services that make an absolute surplus. Is that what happened to Nottingham City Council today?
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 16, 2021 17:44:01 GMT
Jesus Christ Kahn is dangerous man with a short memory “Mr Khan said it was unfair that there was money for a £1 billion Northern line extension to Battersea in Tory-controlled Wandsworth, but not Labour-ran boroughs.” Whilst the loans were publicly funded my understanding was is that it will be repaid from private sector funding. So now he trying to enact a class war in London. I still question why in God's name those two stations were put in zone 1 as opposed to zone 2.
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 16, 2021 18:01:55 GMT
Jesus Christ Kahn is dangerous man with a short memory “Mr Khan said it was unfair that there was money for a £1 billion Northern line extension to Battersea in Tory-controlled Wandsworth, but not Labour-ran boroughs.” Whilst the loans were publicly funded my understanding was is that it will be repaid from private sector funding. So now he trying to enact a class war in London. I still question why in God's name those two stations were put in zone 1 as opposed to zone 2. They can charge more to potential buyers and renters and in return pay for more of the extension. Also looks better for the US Embassy to be within zone 1 rather than zone 2.
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Post by TB123 on Dec 17, 2021 9:07:41 GMT
TfL is essentially a local authority and so if it issues an S114 it would not be able to run anything other than statutory services - those being school transport, taxi licensing, some trunk road repairs and the Woolwich Ferry. The Tube, DLR, Overground, Tramlink, TfL rail and the majority of the bus network would likely be closed - but past the immediate focus on statutory services, there could be a resumption of a slimmed down selection of services that make an absolute surplus. Is that what happened to Nottingham City Council today? Yes that's associated with HRA(housing revenue account) irregularities. Otherwise only Northamptonshire, Croydon and Slough have in the last 20 years. 20 years ago Hackney issued one. Having been on the sharp end of them, they are awful and I'd hate to see any authority suffer one.
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 17, 2021 11:45:34 GMT
They've always been shafted. Since 1850
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 17, 2021 14:43:39 GMT
I still question why in God's name those two stations were put in zone 1 as opposed to zone 2. They can charge more to potential buyers and renters and in return pay for more of the extension. Also looks better for the US Embassy to be within zone 1 rather than zone 2. I get it but that looks really awkward given how that part of London is set up. For instance you have Battersea Park in Zone 2 and Wandsworth Road also in Zone 2 but then you walk up further into the roads and then you're in Zone 1 to then get to Vauxhall which is Zone 1 and 2. Its all confusing
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 6, 2022 9:16:01 GMT
The new Bakerloo Line ticket hall at Paddington is on track to open during 2022. A new entrance off Praed Street, part of the "Paddington Cube" development adjacent to the main line station, will give access to a larger below-ground ticket hall, from there escalators will descend to platform level. There will also be step-free access by lift from street to platform level for the first time at this location.
The new entrance will also give access to the new foot tunnel that is being built between the Bakerloo Line platforms and the Crossrail platforms, which will effectively give the Elizabeth Line an additional access point from east of Paddington Station.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 25, 2022 17:36:03 GMT
It is 50 years since the first 1972 stock entered service on the Underground, on 26th June 1972. The Bakerloo Line trains are not only the oldest on the Underground; with the recent conversion of the Island Line on the Isle of Wight to Vivarail class 484 operation these are the oldest electric multiple units in regular service anywhere in the UK. However the 1972 stock did not enter service initially on the Bakerloo Line, nor were they originally intended for it.
There had been plans for a new fleet of trains on the Northern Line, but with the Piccadilly Line extension to Heathrow Airport planned for opening during the 1970s, these plans were scrapped and a totally new fleet of trains (the 1973 stock, with features to make them more suitable for airport travellers and their luggage) was designed for the Piccadilly Line instead. The Piccadilly Line's 1959 stock would transfer to the Northern Line instead but this would have left a shortfall of 30 units, so an order for 30 new trains, based on the 1967 stock already in operation on the Victoria Line, was hastily put together. These were the Mark I units. A further 33 Mark II Units followed on later in 1972. This order was placed by the Government Greater London Council [see below*] as Metro-Cammell was facing financial collapse due to a gap in its order book; the order was justified by earmarking them for the new Fleet Line when it opened in the late 1970s, although they too entered service initially on the Northern Line. They moved to the Bakerloo Line between April 1977 and April 1979, operating on both the Stanmore and Queen's Park/Watford Junction branches before being concentrated on the Fleet Line (by now renamed Jubilee) when it opened on 1st May 1979. The residual Bakerloo Line service between Elephant and Queen's Park (and Watford Junction until September 1982) was then operated with the remaining 1938 stock.
Service reductions in the early 1980s, and the introduction of 1983 stock on the Jubilee Line, allowed 1959 stock to be cascaded on to the Bakerloo Line gradually replacing the 1938 stock. However during the late 1980s the 1972 stock stared reappearing, allowing the Bakerloo Line to be converted to driver-only operation from November 1989 (the 1959 stock went back to the Northern Line, where driver-only operation was still some years away). Since then the Bakerloo Line has been operated solely with 1972 stock, mostly Mark II carriages although some Mark I vehicles have been retained to provide extra trains.
* Correction: The 33 Mark II units were actually ordered by the Greater London Council, in November 1971, although the bulk of the funding (75%) came from Central Government with the remaining 25% coming from the GLC. Both organisations were under Conservative control at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 22:20:55 GMT
It is 50 years since the first 1972 stock entered service on the Underground, on 26th June 1972. The Bakerloo Line trains are not only the oldest on the Underground; with the recent conversion of the Island Line on the Isle of Wight to Vivarail class 484 operation these are the oldest electric multiple units in regular service anywhere in the UK. However the 1972 stock did not enter service initially on the Bakerloo Line, nor were they originally intended for it. There had been plans for a new fleet of trains on the Northern Line, but with the Piccadilly Line extension to Heathrow Airport planned for opening during the 1970s, these plans were scrapped and a totally new fleet of trains (the 1973 stock, with features to make them more suitable for airport travellers and their luggage) was designed for the Piccadilly Line instead. The Piccadilly Line's 1959 stock would transfer to the Northern Line instead but this would have left a shortfall of 30 units, so an order for 30 new trains, based on the 1967 stock already in operation on the Victoria Line, was hastily put together. These were the Mark I units. A further 33 Mark II Units followed on later in 1972. This order was placed by the Government as Metro-Cammell was facing financial collapse due to a gap in its order book; the order was justified by earmarking them for the new Fleet Line when it opened in the late 1970s, although they too entered service initially on the Northern Line. They moved to the Bakerloo Line between April 1977 and April 1979, operating on both the Stanmore and Queen's Park/Watford Junction branches before being concentrated on the Fleet Line (by now renamed Jubilee) when it opened on 1st May 1979. The residual Bakerloo Line service between Elephant and Queen's Park (and Watford Junction until September 1982) was then operated with the remaining 1938 stock. Service reductions in the early 1980s, and the introduction of 1983 stock on the Jubilee Line, allowed 1959 stock to be cascaded on to the Bakerloo Line gradually replacing the 1938 stock. However during the late 1980s the 1972 stock stared reappearing, allowing the Bakerloo Line to be converted to driver-only operation from November 1989 (the 1959 stock went back to the Northern Line, where driver-only operation was still some years away). Since then the Bakerloo Line has been operated solely with 1972 stock, mostly Mark II carriages although some Mark I vehicles have been retained to provide extra trains. How can one tell the difference between mark I and II units ?
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Post by M1104 on Jun 25, 2022 23:54:09 GMT
How can one tell the difference between mark I and II units ? The main tell tale signs, at least from passengers point of view, were that from new the seat coverings were essentially red and grey on the mk1 and blue on the mk2. Their exteriors during the 70s and 80s (prior to LUL livery) were aluminium silver with the exception that the mk2 had red doors. I seem to remember that the mark 2 doors weren't quite as noisy as the mk1 and 67 stock whilst sliding open/close, almost as quiet as the 73 stock in that respect.
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