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Post by danorak on Apr 2, 2022 20:51:56 GMT
Just for a bit of light amusement, an entirely unserious and unscientific poll. With the 168 and 271 on the way out, and the (non-TfL) 84 finally departing London, there are a few gaps emerging in the traditional LT Central Area numbers. But history tells us that these eventually get reused. So which will be first to make a comeback?
The 82 with its tradition of being used all over the place? The restless 48? Or will 3** and 4** series numbers continue to be allocated long enough to give the 168 time to bounce back?
Cast your votes now...
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2022 20:58:28 GMT
Just for a bit of light amusement, an entirely unserious and unscientific poll. With the 168 and 271 on the way out, and the (non-TfL) 84 finally departing London, there are a few gaps emerging in the traditional LT Central Area numbers. But history tells us that these eventually get reused. So which will be first to make a comeback? The 82 with its tradition of being used all over the place? The restless 48? Or will 3** and 4** series numbers continue to be allocated long enough to give the 168 time to bounce back? Cast your votes now... I've gone for the 10 as the lower numbers don't seem to stay dormant for long (59 reappeared only a decade or so after the former was withdrawn and in the same area as well) |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2022 22:02:40 GMT
Just for a bit of light amusement, an entirely unserious and unscientific poll. With the 168 and 271 on the way out, and the (non-TfL) 84 finally departing London, there are a few gaps emerging in the traditional LT Central Area numbers. But history tells us that these eventually get reused. So which will be first to make a comeback? The 82 with its tradition of being used all over the place? The restless 48? Or will 3** and 4** series numbers continue to be allocated long enough to give the 168 time to bounce back? Cast your votes now... I've gone for the 10 as the lower numbers don't seem to stay dormant for long (59 reappeared only a decade or so after the former was withdrawn and in the same area as well) Yes the 59 to the 109 was a bit like the 199 to the 1 and 47, kept replacing parts only to be withdrawn again. If a split of the 11 ever reappears then the number 10 may be a good fit. Firstly I can see TFl keeping 11 in the Fulham area so could see a Victoria to Liverpool Street route numbered 10. 82 iv always thought would have fitted one of those Coveys Whalf routes. I think it was the A that was going to replace part of the 381 and run to Greenwich and the 82 number was used around the Surrey Docks till 1968. With the 188 seemingly staying in central London and freq reductions along the Old Kent Road I can't see either the A, B or C routing coming to fruition. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 2, 2022 22:35:12 GMT
Of the numbers listed, the below 300s, I have a feeling, like southlondonbus, that 10 will be the first reused, and be used as an 11 part replacement - unlike southlondonbus, I think 11 will be kept for the in town section and 10 used at the western end.
Of the others, 84, 168 and 271 I think may have to wait a little longer than the others to be reused - and I can’t see 84 being reused in North London which restricts it somewhat. In due course I suspect the 84 will be reused in Central London.
That leaves 48, 82 and 239. I suspect the lower two numbers will be used in Central London at some time, 239, not a clue!
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 2, 2022 23:03:57 GMT
I am hoping they will revisit the Croydon numbers before implementation.
439, could be renumbered 239, Purley way is associated with 23x numbers, albeit 233 and 234.
Then on the 407 split, was hoping the 407 would he kept by the southern end as it has a longer historical connection, and the Sutton leg take the 48, in recognition of the old London Country service 408 .... either that or give the Sutton service the 408 number.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 3, 2022 5:12:35 GMT
Had the 80 been split as suggested a few years ago then 82 or even 84 would now be a possibility for the new route.
483 would have been a good use for 82.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 3, 2022 6:44:18 GMT
I am hoping they will revisit the Croydon numbers before implementation. 439, could be renumbered 239, Purley way is associated with 23x numbers, albeit 233 and 234. Then on the 407 split, was hoping the 407 would he kept by the southern end as it has a longer historical connection, and the Sutton leg take the 48, in recognition of the old London Country service 408 .... either that or give the Sutton service the 408 number. I think the 407 number is best kept for the Sutton end but the 443 at the Caterham end is likely to be confused with the 433 so maybe a case for the 48 or 82 being reused there? Assuming of course that these changes are still happening, the consultation came out nearly 18 months ago. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 3, 2022 8:05:12 GMT
I am hoping they will revisit the Croydon numbers before implementation. 439, could be renumbered 239, Purley way is associated with 23x numbers, albeit 233 and 234. Then on the 407 split, was hoping the 407 would he kept by the southern end as it has a longer historical connection, and the Sutton leg take the 48, in recognition of the old London Country service 408 .... either that or give the Sutton service the 408 number. The 239 would also work given the 289 runs along Purley Way too |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 3, 2022 10:34:37 GMT
48 and 82
I can't see the 10 being used for a while as there is a LSP service with that number, 84 likewise despite departing recently. I think it'll be a 2 digit number unless it's a suburban feeder which'd get a 4xx or a prefix (like new S2) or it works near the 71/371 when it could get 271.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 3, 2022 11:03:37 GMT
48 and 82 I can't see the 10 being used for a while as there is a LSP service with that number, 84 likewise despite departing recently. I think it'll be a 2 digit number unless it's a suburban feeder which'd get a 4xx or a prefix (like new S2) or it works near the 71/371 when it could get 271. The fact another 10 exists has no bearing on TfL using the number - plenty of routes have run into Greater London using the same number as a TfL route |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 3, 2022 11:28:45 GMT
Had the 80 been split as suggested a few years ago then 82 or even 84 would now be a possibility for the new route. 483 would have been a good use for 82. Yes it would. We have route 182 in the area, routes 282 & 482 nearby, and former route 82 withdrawn in '82 (coincidentally?) not all that far away either. Plus of course routes 82 & 83 would have duplicated eachother briefly from Alperton to Wembley Park. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 3, 2022 11:31:45 GMT
48 and 82 I can't see the 10 being used for a while as there is a LSP service with that number, 84 likewise despite departing recently. I think it'll be a 2 digit number unless it's a suburban feeder which'd get a 4xx or a prefix (like new S2) or it works near the 71/371 when it could get 271. The fact another 10 exists has no bearing on TfL using the number - plenty of routes have run into Greater London using the same number as a TfL route A route I have felt to be a case in point, although it isn't quite, is route 242. Route 242 from PB had been a traditional red London Transport route for many years. I even rode it in April 1986.  |
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 3, 2022 11:53:53 GMT
48 and 82 I can't see the 10 being used for a while as there is a LSP service with that number, 84 likewise despite departing recently. I think it'll be a 2 digit number unless it's a suburban feeder which'd get a 4xx or a prefix (like new S2) or it works near the 71/371 when it could get 271. If you are thinking of the 10 from Heathrow, it was withdrawn last year. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Apr 4, 2022 20:43:07 GMT
I see the 239 being the first to be used, hasn’t been used the longest (excepting the 84, though that has recently been cut from London altogether).
The 239 was planned (Roehampton to Acton Vale) but Hammersmith Bridge threw a spanner in the works. That was connected with the 218 which was out for tender a while before it was finally introduced.
There is a part of me that wishes the 390 number was changed to 10, as what happened with the 13 and 82.
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 4, 2022 20:55:10 GMT
There is a part of me that wishes the 390 number was changed to 10, as what happened with the 13 and 82. The 390 I can see being organised out of existence in the current climate, a la 168/271/C2, but that is a different topic altogether! |
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