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Post by route53 on May 10, 2022 16:32:01 GMT
Well sadly in 4 days time Thamesmead’s only link (albeit from Thamesmead East) to Lewisham is being severed thanks the the restructuring of the 180 into a 472A, they can however still change at Woolwich but it’s not the same or as convenient Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? Even curtailing the 122 to Brockley Rise might make the 122 a bit too long with the Thamesmead extension, plus the 180 to Lewisham is much quicker than the 122 would be from Thamesmead. The 301 I would extend to Charlton Retail Park which I think is in the cards anyway. |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 16:53:45 GMT
Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? Even curtailing the 122 to Brockley Rise might make the 122 a bit too long with the Thamesmead extension, plus the 180 to Lewisham is much quicker than the 122 would be from Thamesmead. The 301 I would extend to Charlton Retail Park which I think is in the cards anyway. I think the 122 is generally a bit quicker between Woolwich and Thamesmead although there's not a great deal in it but Brockley Rise to Thamesmead would be fine. I know about the proposed 301 extension to Charlton but maybe the 99 could do that instead? The 122 and 301 between Woolwich and Thamesmead in addition to the 472 would be excessive. I can't see many other viable options for a Thamesmead to Lewisham service. |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 10, 2022 16:57:33 GMT
Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? The 301 has been welcomed by locals from all accounts I've read or heard and your proposing to cut some of it back in favour of meddling with a long established route like the 122? Yeah. We like the 301 😃 |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on May 10, 2022 17:00:46 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood.
Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 17:10:16 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station Biggin Hill has to be up there as well. |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 17:10:53 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station That is a good point and New Addington got a pretty rough deal before Tramlink. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 10, 2022 17:14:45 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station When Harold Hill was conceived and built, it was expected that most residents would either work in new local industries, or at Ford's in Dagenham. It was not planned as a London commuter suburb. North Street Garage was opened in 1953 to cater for postwar housing development in the Romford area. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 10, 2022 17:25:31 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station Biggin Hill has to be up there as well. In the early part of the 20th Century there were proposals for light railways from Orpington to Biggin Hill. The Orpington, Cudham and Tatsfield was authorised in 1902 (on completion, it would have been operated by the South Eastern Railway) but could not raise the necessary funds. The Southern Heights Light Railway was proposed in the 1920s; it would have run from Orpington to Sandersted and would have been electrified with third-rail. The line was supported by the Southern Railway but again funding was not forthcoming and the proposal lapsed in 1930. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Heights_Light_Railway |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 19:08:30 GMT
Biggin Hill has to be up there as well. In the early part of the 20th Century there were proposals for light railways from Orpington to Biggin Hill. The Orpington, Cudham and Tatsfield was authorised in 1902 (on completion, it would have been operated by the South Eastern Railway) but could not raise the necessary funds. The Southern Heights Light Railway was proposed in the 1920s; it would have run from Orpington to Sandersted and would have been electrified with third-rail. The line was supported by the Southern Railway but again funding was not forthcoming and the proposal lapsed in 1930. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Heights_Light_RailwayIf TFL had any interest in extending the Tram network, I’d think about extending it from New Addington to Biggin Hill. |
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Post by YX10FFN on May 10, 2022 19:11:28 GMT
In the early part of the 20th Century there were proposals for light railways from Orpington to Biggin Hill. The Orpington, Cudham and Tatsfield was authorised in 1902 (on completion, it would have been operated by the South Eastern Railway) but could not raise the necessary funds. The Southern Heights Light Railway was proposed in the 1920s; it would have run from Orpington to Sandersted and would have been electrified with third-rail. The line was supported by the Southern Railway but again funding was not forthcoming and the proposal lapsed in 1930. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Heights_Light_RailwayIf TFL had any interest in extending the Tram network, I’d think about extending it from New Addington to Biggin Hill. No expert on light rail construction but the terrain between New Addington and Biggin Hill may make that prohibitive |
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Post by WH241 on May 10, 2022 19:13:53 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station Not the same but back in the 90s South Newham was similar before the DLR Beckton extension came along. We only had the District Line at Plaistow and West Ham and the very unreliable North London line. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 19:31:12 GMT
If TFL had any interest in extending the Tram network, I’d think about extending it from New Addington to Biggin Hill. No expert on light rail construction but the terrain between New Addington and Biggin Hill may make that prohibitive I’m sure it could be done. |
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2022 19:32:05 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station It’s actually a 10 minute ride by bus from Thamesmead to Abbey Wood Station via the 301 which has the quickest routing currently so hardly much difference between the two areas bar a few more bus routes |
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Post by cl54 on May 10, 2022 20:10:03 GMT
Well sadly in 4 days time Thamesmead’s only link (albeit from Thamesmead East) to Lewisham is being severed thanks the the restructuring of the 180 into a 472A, they can however still change at Woolwich but it’s not the same or as convenient Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? The 122 is a convenient and well used route as it is thank you. No reason to change it. Real travel data is needed before interfering with established routes. |
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Post by cl54 on May 10, 2022 20:16:39 GMT
Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? Even curtailing the 122 to Brockley Rise might make the 122 a bit too long with the Thamesmead extension, plus the 180 to Lewisham is much quicker than the 122 would be from Thamesmead. The 301 I would extend to Charlton Retail Park which I think is in the cards anyway. TfL refused the offer from the property developer of the Retail Park to include a bus stand. There is nowhere for buses to stand. The possible 301 extension is dependent on a new dual carriageway through the new Charlton Riverside housing development where it would terminate. |
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