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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 20:17:46 GMT
Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? The 122 is a convenient and well used route as it is thank you. No reason to change it. Real travel data is needed before interfering with established routes. So how do you suggest a link is provided between Thamesmead and Lewisham? |
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Post by cl54 on May 10, 2022 20:24:22 GMT
The 122 is a convenient and well used route as it is thank you. No reason to change it. Real travel data is needed before interfering with established routes. So how do you suggest a link is provided between Thamesmead and Lewisham? I don't. There are still 2 direct routes from Woolwich to Lewisham after next weekend. (54 and 122.) There is also the 380 which runs from Belmarsh via Thamesmead West. As I said if real demand is found in travel data a link would be provided. |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 20:28:16 GMT
So how do you suggest a link is provided between Thamesmead and Lewisham? I don't. There are still 2 direct routes from Woolwich to Lewisham after next weekend. (54 and 122.) There is also the 380 which runs from Belmarsh via Thamesmead West. As I said if real demand is found in travel data a link would be provided. This why bus travel is declining, a network that fails to adapt. |
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Post by cl54 on May 10, 2022 20:31:38 GMT
I don't. There are still 2 direct routes from Woolwich to Lewisham after next weekend. (54 and 122.) There is also the 380 which runs from Belmarsh via Thamesmead West. As I said if real demand is found in travel data a link would be provided. This why bus travel is declining, a network that fails to adapt. You don't adapt when people don't actually want to travel by bus from Thamesmead to Lewisham. Beliieve it or not there is a shopping centre in Thamesmead. I went shopping there today. There are significant adaptions to the local network happening on Saturday plus the previously introduced 301. |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 20:40:35 GMT
This why bus travel is declining, a network that fails to adapt. You don't adapt when people don't actually want to travel by bus from Thamesmead to Lewisham. Beliieve it or not there is a shopping centre in Thamesmead. I went shopping there today. There are significant adaptions to the local network happening on Saturday plus the previously introduced 301. You really think nobody wants to go from Lewisham to Thamesmead or vice versa? |
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Post by rift on May 10, 2022 20:48:45 GMT
You don't adapt when people don't actually want to travel by bus from Thamesmead to Lewisham. Beliieve it or not there is a shopping centre in Thamesmead. I went shopping there today. There are significant adaptions to the local network happening on Saturday plus the previously introduced 301. You really think nobody wants to go from Lewisham to Thamesmead or vice versa? More than likely there are, but messing around with the 122 is just not it. I would rather have the 178 extended and frequency increased, would also provide a faster link to QE Hospital as well as a link from Kidbrooke to Thamesmead. |
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Post by rift on May 10, 2022 20:50:55 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station Only Thamesmead East is that close to Abbey Wood, the other areas of Thamesmead apart from the towers next to the Royal Arsenal suffer to varying degrees. |
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2022 21:03:20 GMT
I don't. There are still 2 direct routes from Woolwich to Lewisham after next weekend. (54 and 122.) There is also the 380 which runs from Belmarsh via Thamesmead West. As I said if real demand is found in travel data a link would be provided. This why bus travel is declining, a network that fails to adapt. Says the person who continues to fail to adapt by posting many proposals that make little sense or belong in the 70’s. Bus travel isn’t declining because Thamesmead isn’t linked directly to Lewisham - we all know what the actual issues are causing the decline |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 10, 2022 21:10:15 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station Only Thamesmead East is that close to Abbey Wood, the other areas of Thamesmead apart from the towers next to the Royal Arsenal suffer to varying degrees. Yes not that far. The 180 serves Harrow Manor way/Yarnton Way and the original Thamesmead area with the Brutalist architecture that was used in films and TV shows. |
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Post by DT 11 on May 10, 2022 21:30:21 GMT
You don't adapt when people don't actually want to travel by bus from Thamesmead to Lewisham. Beliieve it or not there is a shopping centre in Thamesmead. I went shopping there today. There are significant adaptions to the local network happening on Saturday plus the previously introduced 301. You really think nobody wants to go from Lewisham to Thamesmead or vice versa? Probably very few people to be honest... The 122 and 301 are fine as they are. |
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Post by route53 on May 11, 2022 6:22:05 GMT
People talk about Thamesmead having no rail links yet Thamesmead is a quick 5min bus ride to Abbey Wood Station, this can also be seen with the 472 extension to Abbey Wood. Harold Hill is also like Thamesmead but worse off I feel as to get to Harold Wood Station is a 15min bus ride and a 25min to Romford Station Do you know how big Thamesmead is? It borders Erith & Belvedere in the east and Woolwich in the west, so depending on which bit of Thamesmead you live in Abbey Wood station can be more than ten minutes by bus. Thamesmead wasn’t built as a standard 1960s estate it was planned and built as being a town in its own right, as part of the plans it was to get a new river crossing to Barking and eventually be connected to the tube in the original Fleet line plans but those never happened |
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Post by route53 on May 11, 2022 6:25:37 GMT
You really think nobody wants to go from Lewisham to Thamesmead or vice versa? More than likely there are, but messing around with the 122 is just not it. I would rather have the 178 extended and frequency increased, would also provide a faster link to QE Hospital as well as a link from Kidbrooke to Thamesmead. I like the 178 idea, but I’d also keep the 180 as it is as well, Lewisham is going to be a bit of a draw for many in the coming years with all the new developments going on there. It’s a pity Woolwich isn’t have the same rebirth, Woolwich has a lot of potential of restoring itself. |
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Post by cl54 on May 11, 2022 6:41:03 GMT
More than likely there are, but messing around with the 122 is just not it. I would rather have the 178 extended and frequency increased, would also provide a faster link to QE Hospital as well as a link from Kidbrooke to Thamesmead. I like the 178 idea, but I’d also keep the 180 as it is as well, Lewisham is going to be a bit of a draw for many in the coming years with all the new developments going on there. It’s a pity Woolwich isn’t have the same rebirth, Woolwich has a lot of potential of restoring itself. Woolwich has more housing development than Lewisham. It's getting a new leisure centre as the previous one has been sold by the council for more tower blocks. The same council has no plans to develop the retail area. More money is about to be spent on the market area. |
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Post by greenboy on May 11, 2022 6:44:06 GMT
More than likely there are, but messing around with the 122 is just not it. I would rather have the 178 extended and frequency increased, would also provide a faster link to QE Hospital as well as a link from Kidbrooke to Thamesmead. I like the 178 idea, but I’d also keep the 180 as it is as well, Lewisham is going to be a bit of a draw for many in the coming years with all the new developments going on there. It’s a pity Woolwich isn’t have the same rebirth, Woolwich has a lot of potential of restoring itself. The 178 idea certainly has some merit but it's a longer journey time, if I were going from Woolwich to Lewisham by bus I'd use the 54 or 122 rather than the 178. Ironically the 178 started life in 1980 as Thamesmead to Woolwich. I don't know of anyone who is in favour of the 180 being rerouted to North Greenwich. |
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Post by route53 on May 11, 2022 8:14:24 GMT
I like the 178 idea, but I’d also keep the 180 as it is as well, Lewisham is going to be a bit of a draw for many in the coming years with all the new developments going on there. It’s a pity Woolwich isn’t have the same rebirth, Woolwich has a lot of potential of restoring itself. The 178 idea certainly has some merit but it's a longer journey time, if I were going from Woolwich to Lewisham by bus I'd use the 54 or 122 rather than the 178. Ironically the 178 started life in 1980 as Thamesmead to Woolwich. I don't know of anyone who is in favour of the 180 being rerouted to North Greenwich. The 178 would be long to Lewisham but the fact it links a number of places along that route like QE Hospital is good, the 54 is the best route between Woolwich and Lewisham since the 122 can often be caught in South Circular traffic. As for the 180, a few in here are in support of it but on a wider scale the response to the changes has mostly been negative, changes to routes have to make sense and have a viable replacement, which the 180 changes doesn’t have, it’s basically a change I would expect when the JLE first opened in 1999/2000. |
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