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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 21, 2023 11:47:51 GMT
If hard times do ever return and the 211 isn't found to be carrying much to Battersea Power Station then I wouldn't be amazed to see it merged with the 11. We know TFL aren't against at all removing a route from the Kings Road as they have tried twice with the 19. Is there any date for the 211 rerouting to Battersea Power Station? Does seem wasteful both the 11 and 211 going to Waterloo. But yes I wouldn't be surprised if at some future date the 11 is extended back to Hammersmith and the 211 discarded. Not as far as iv heard. Whilst it does seem a bit wasteful paralleling the 11, I'm not sure there is a going to be a huge amount of demand from Fulham and Kings Road to BPS.
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Post by danorak on Aug 21, 2023 12:09:16 GMT
Why? I don't really see the point of removing letter prefixes I don’t in the usual way, but we currently have no plain 10 and the C10 is a central route. It appeals to the organiser in me 😂 The C10 is of course the direct descendant of the original Victoria - Wanstead 10: the central London bit became the 510 in 1988 before becoming the rerouted C10 a few years later so it has the best claim to the number!
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 21, 2023 12:44:23 GMT
The trouble with that idea is there would be more broken links extending the 15 instead of the 26. I think the 15 could return to Oxford Circus, but it would have to be at the expense of one of the 12 or 159, which would then have to fall back to Trafalgar Square. The only broken link would be Liverpool Street, but is only a short walk from Aldgate. Plus the 26 would maintain Liverpool Street to Aldwych. No different from the revised 26 having now removed the Waterloo to Liverpool Street link, requiring passengers to walk to Moorgate for the 76. For a West End link, I think someone else suggested extending the 9 or 23 to Tower Gateway, which could even just replace the Central section of the 15. You could then maybe have an enhanced 115 at a higher frequency, extending slightly from Aldgate to provide an overlap, maybe as far as Monument then crossing to terminate at London Bridge Station? The 15 works well as a tourist route, covering places like St Pauls and the Tower, but I think some further links west of Trafalgar Square could help, whether via Westminster or Piccadilly Circus. The 9 to Tower Gateway or Liverpool Street could have potential providing that cuts are made elsewhere. The 23 being extended to Tower Gateway is pretty similar to when it went to Liverpool Street and is unlikely to happen
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 21, 2023 13:41:58 GMT
Is there any date for the 211 rerouting to Battersea Power Station? Does seem wasteful both the 11 and 211 going to Waterloo. But yes I wouldn't be surprised if at some future date the 11 is extended back to Hammersmith and the 211 discarded. Not as far as iv heard. Whilst it does seem a bit wasteful paralleling the 11, I'm not sure there is a going to be a huge amount of demand from Fulham and Kings Road to BPS. I don’t know, BPS has a good solid range of shops from a Lego store to Apple. It also has quite a few bars, restaurants and often has events on. I think it’ll be attractive for the Kings Road crowd.
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Post by misty on Aug 21, 2023 17:54:46 GMT
Dont withdraw the 211 it is a vital link for people for Chelsea & Westminster hospital. If either has to go then it should be the 11.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 21, 2023 17:58:29 GMT
Dont withdraw the 211 it is a vital link for people for Chelsea & Westminster hospital. If either has to go then it should be the 11. What about New King's Rd link link to Victoria and Westminster
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 22, 2023 6:56:34 GMT
I always wounder if is possible to reextend 9 and N9 back to Liverpool Street now
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 22, 2023 7:02:09 GMT
I always wounder if is possible to reextend 9 and N9 back to Liverpool Street now It would be but it won't be done as the 26 is adequate for that section now hence removing the 11.
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Post by sam97 on Aug 22, 2023 7:52:08 GMT
I always wounder if is possible to reextend 9 and N9 back to Liverpool Street now No point as the 26/N26 already provides reasonable links
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 22, 2023 10:43:30 GMT
A lot of the tourist demand is fairly seasonal with summers being far busier whether on the 9 and 15. Ideally, a service between HSK and Tower Gateway could operate on these days as the frequency is usually sufficient at other times of the year. I'd even go as far to say that this service could operate using a heritage fleet but that would be too good to be true.
9 to Tower Gateway (every 10 minutes so an enhancement compared with the 15 currently) with the 15 diverted via London Bridge to London Bridge sounds good. Or in fantasy land, to Tate Modern and maybe further to Waterloo via the old RV1.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 22, 2023 19:20:47 GMT
Man I remember when 8 use to run to Victoria it was the good times and when 15 went to Paddington it sad that buses are been destroyed The 15 nowadays is rather sad to see...it's at an awkward state. On one hand, it remains hugely popular with tourists and can get really packed in its central section esp. at weekends, mainly attributing to its unique linkage with the Tower of London. On the other hand, it's losing popularity among locals given the useful links to Oxford Circus, Paddington etc. are lost while it doesn't go too far into the east either. With the recent heavy cut to frequency, it's become insufficient for the Central London with buses constantly get jam packed during the day leaving passengers behind to wait for 10+ minutes for the next bus which they're not sure if they can squeeze onto. But it's also unlikely any additional frequency will be reinstated given its low popularity amongst locals. The 11 was at rather similar state of the 15 before. Since its reroute to Waterloo it feels to me that it's heavily dropping patronage and buses always look empty. I hope when the 211 is rerouted it can gain back some popularity. If anything I would like to see the 15 extended back further east to Canning Town this would provided some assistance to the busy 115. I can't see the route ever going further west especially with the proposed changes in the Oxford Circus area. Even when the route last ran there it stopped short of Oxford Street and was a long walk to the first eastbound stop.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 22, 2023 20:15:52 GMT
The 15 nowadays is rather sad to see...it's at an awkward state. On one hand, it remains hugely popular with tourists and can get really packed in its central section esp. at weekends, mainly attributing to its unique linkage with the Tower of London. On the other hand, it's losing popularity among locals given the useful links to Oxford Circus, Paddington etc. are lost while it doesn't go too far into the east either. With the recent heavy cut to frequency, it's become insufficient for the Central London with buses constantly get jam packed during the day leaving passengers behind to wait for 10+ minutes for the next bus which they're not sure if they can squeeze onto. But it's also unlikely any additional frequency will be reinstated given its low popularity amongst locals. The 11 was at rather similar state of the 15 before. Since its reroute to Waterloo it feels to me that it's heavily dropping patronage and buses always look empty. I hope when the 211 is rerouted it can gain back some popularity. If anything I would like to see the 15 extended back further east to Canning Town this would provided some assistance to the busy 115. I can't see the route ever going further west especially with the proposed changes in the Oxford Circus area. Even when the route last ran there it stopped short of Oxford Street and was a long walk to the first eastbound stop. Yes it was the first 'Regent Street' route. Like with the 3 it was just a bit short of Oxford Circus and was probably passed up by passengers wanting Oxford Circus in favour of other routes.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 23, 2023 8:08:00 GMT
I think the 91 could've been a good candidate to extend to Victoria (but it would've needed to be as well as the 26). It would've opened up some new links from Victoria and Westminster up towards Holborn, Russell Square, Euston and King's Cross. It would struggle with the terrible Strand traffic though and if anything its more likely to be hacked back to Aldwych if TFL were to looking to remove routes from the Strand.
Its a real shame the 15 doesn't carry on to Oxford Circus any more as now the 139 is the only route left on Regent Street which carries on down the Strand. Its a shame the 3 was cut back but umpteen other Regent Street routes run down to Westminster.
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Post by londonboy71 on Aug 23, 2023 17:10:11 GMT
The 15 nowadays is rather sad to see...it's at an awkward state. On one hand, it remains hugely popular with tourists and can get really packed in its central section esp. at weekends, mainly attributing to its unique linkage with the Tower of London. On the other hand, it's losing popularity among locals given the useful links to Oxford Circus, Paddington etc. are lost while it doesn't go too far into the east either. With the recent heavy cut to frequency, it's become insufficient for the Central London with buses constantly get jam packed during the day leaving passengers behind to wait for 10+ minutes for the next bus which they're not sure if they can squeeze onto. But it's also unlikely any additional frequency will be reinstated given its low popularity amongst locals. The 11 was at rather similar state of the 15 before. Since its reroute to Waterloo it feels to me that it's heavily dropping patronage and buses always look empty. I hope when the 211 is rerouted it can gain back some popularity. If anything I would like to see the 15 extended back further east to Canning Town this would provided some assistance to the busy 115. I can't see the route ever going further west especially with the proposed changes in the Oxford Circus area. Even when the route last ran there it stopped short of Oxford Street and was a long walk to the first eastbound stop. I can remember the 8 going to Wembley and 15 to Kew Green !!
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 23, 2023 17:23:42 GMT
If anything I would like to see the 15 extended back further east to Canning Town this would provided some assistance to the busy 115. I can't see the route ever going further west especially with the proposed changes in the Oxford Circus area. Even when the route last ran there it stopped short of Oxford Street and was a long walk to the first eastbound stop. I can remember the 8 going to Wembley and 15 to Kew Green !! I certainly remember when the 8 went to Wembley Trading Estate at peak times - although I don't recall these journeys journeys operating east of Oxford Circus. They were withdrawn in September 1982.
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