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Post by Catford94 on May 2, 2023 18:21:50 GMT
Thought in those days 278 was at WH & 25 was at BW.
West Ham got a (fairly substantial) allocation on route 25 in 1960 when Forest Gate (G) Garage closed - it kept a weekday allocation until 1985.
Although Bow had an allocation on the 25 as well.
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Post by towerman on May 2, 2023 21:14:01 GMT
Thought when BW was a trolley bus depot the 25 was based at the old Clayhall Garage(CL) which was in the area The Eastway is now.
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Post by Catford94 on May 3, 2023 18:59:04 GMT
Thought when BW was a trolley bus depot the 25 was based at the old Clayhall Garage(CL) which was in the area The Eastway is now.
Link in previous post shows that Clay Hall tended to have a small allocation on the 25, but the main thing at Clay Hall was the 8 (and 8A etc) and the 60 (Old Ford - Colindale) until the latter was withdrawn in 1958.
Clay Hall was the wrong side of the Fairfield Road low bridge for the 25 (so buses joined / left line of route at Mile End), but CL also had a few other allocations that had this - at one point the Isle of Dogs 56, and the Port of London Authority service (that replaced the bomb damaged railway after 1940) from Custom House to Manor Way
And for anyone wondering, side by side map here of Clay Hall Garage on 1950s OS and current Open Street Map here.
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Post by gwiwer on May 3, 2023 20:28:09 GMT
Thought in those days 278 was at WH & 25 was at BW. Ian Armstrong's website confirms that from 18/04/70 until 07/01/72 one RT from WH was scheduled on the 278 off the 25 allocation. Prior to then it had been 4 RTs since 07.09/68 and 4 RTLs from 27/01/65. The 25 was split roughly 60% BW / 40% WH for many years including at these times. |
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Post by towerman on May 3, 2023 20:55:56 GMT
Didn’t T used to have an allocation on the 10 when it ran from Victoria to Abridge?
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Post by cardinal on May 6, 2023 22:59:52 GMT
Didn’t T used to have an allocation on the 10 when it ran from Victoria to Abridge? I believe it did - pretty sure it had LSs at one point/ |
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Post by bustavane on May 7, 2023 10:08:08 GMT
Didn’t T used to have an allocation on the 10 when it ran from Victoria to Abridge? I believe it did - pretty sure it had LSs at one point/ There was T allocation up to 1964; the LSs ran from the old WH for the last 11 months before the 10 was withdrawn in January 1988, an extension(?) of the 108 providing a partial replacement. |
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Post by gwiwer on May 7, 2023 22:08:48 GMT
10 hasn't been a lucky number for London bus routes has it? The former Victoria - Abridge route was cut back at both ends over the years before final withdrawal and "replacement" with parallel or altered routes. The Victoria - Aldgate section became the 10A using GM's small allocation of DMSs which also ran the West End "Starbus" service in the evening after the 10A had ceased. Nothing now reaches Abridge other than an infrequent Essex-supported local route from Debden and an attempt to travel over the old 10 would probably take all day as it requires multiple buses and you could still only get to Woodford Bridge.
The recent history of the "other" 10 is also one of change, death by a thousand cuts and withdrawal.
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Post by ricksuffolk on Jul 24, 2023 7:49:15 GMT
How about Epping Forest Wake Arms used by RTs from Loughton on route 217A until August 1977
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 24, 2023 8:11:20 GMT
10 hasn't been a lucky number for London bus routes has it? The former Victoria - Abridge route was cut back at both ends over the years before final withdrawal and "replacement" with parallel or altered routes. The Victoria - Aldgate section became the 10A using GM's small allocation of DMSs which also ran the West End "Starbus" service in the evening after the 10A had ceased. Nothing now reaches Abridge other than an infrequent Essex-supported local route from Debden and an attempt to travel over the old 10 would probably take all day as it requires multiple buses and you could still only get to Woodford Bridge. The recent history of the "other" 10 is also one of change, death by a thousand cuts and withdrawal. I wouldn't say the second incarnation of the 10 was a death by a thousand cuts. It was sensibly split in 2003 due to its length but then pretty much remained unchanged till 2018 when it was totally withdrawn and half replaced by the 23. |
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Post by towerman on Aug 1, 2023 21:25:03 GMT
Who else remembers when the Victoria Line opened Selbourne Rd Walthamstow was the bus station,was a turning loop by the timber yard that was next to the Railway.Buses coming from Chingford direction had to turn left into Church Hill,right into StainforhRd then right into St Mary’s Rd to access Selbourne Rd.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 2, 2023 15:36:22 GMT
10 hasn't been a lucky number for London bus routes has it? The former Victoria - Abridge route was cut back at both ends over the years before final withdrawal and "replacement" with parallel or altered routes. The Victoria - Aldgate section became the 10A using GM's small allocation of DMSs which also ran the West End "Starbus" service in the evening after the 10A had ceased. Nothing now reaches Abridge other than an infrequent Essex-supported local route from Debden and an attempt to travel over the old 10 would probably take all day as it requires multiple buses and you could still only get to Woodford Bridge. The recent history of the "other" 10 is also one of change, death by a thousand cuts and withdrawal. bit of an old post but is there a need for a tfl service at Abridge? It's not in London and would be quite expensive to extend a route there. That being said you can get further out from London in that area such as the 375 to Passingford Bridge which is strange because there's nothing there |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 2, 2023 15:48:22 GMT
10 hasn't been a lucky number for London bus routes has it? The former Victoria - Abridge route was cut back at both ends over the years before final withdrawal and "replacement" with parallel or altered routes. The Victoria - Aldgate section became the 10A using GM's small allocation of DMSs which also ran the West End "Starbus" service in the evening after the 10A had ceased. Nothing now reaches Abridge other than an infrequent Essex-supported local route from Debden and an attempt to travel over the old 10 would probably take all day as it requires multiple buses and you could still only get to Woodford Bridge. The recent history of the "other" 10 is also one of change, death by a thousand cuts and withdrawal. bit of an old post but is there a need for a tfl service at Abridge? It's not in London and would be quite expensive to extend a route there. That being said you can get further out from London in that area such as the 375 to Passingford Bridge which is strange because there's nothing there The 375 provides the only service to the village of Havering-atte-Bower, which is within the Greater London Boundary and TfL is obliged by its remit to provide the village with a bus service. Buses continue to Passingford Bridge as there is a roundabout and bus lay-by there so buses can turn and stand safely. As a by-product this does also give Stapleford Abbots, just over the Essex border, a link to Romford; and Passingford Bridge itself isn't very far from the village of Stapleford Tawney. Until 2008 Havering-atte-Bower was served by Arriva who ran a commercial Harlow-Epping-Ongar-Romford route (500) and accepted TfL tickets and passes within Greater London. TfL stepped in when Arriva withdrew the Ongar-Romford section. |
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Post by londonbusbro on May 8, 2024 10:43:25 GMT
the 3 has changed a lot. at first it went to oxford circus. then it was withdrawn between oxford circus and piccadilly circus in early 2015. then it was withdrawn between piccadilly circus and Trafalgar square in mid 2017. then in late 2018 they proposed to withdraw the route between Trafalgar square and Whitehall which eventually happened in mid 2019 and started using the stand the 53 was using before it got cut back to Lambeth north around the same time. in early 2023 it got changed again but this time it was more of it being rerouted then it being cutback even though it was cutback to Lambeth north it was extended Victoria via the old 507 route which was withdrawn with the 521 and replace by multiple routes. my opinion is that the it was way too similar to 159 so I like the way they cut it back and rerouted but I wish they did it earlier. also there was a proposition in mid 2017 for the route to be extended from Trafalgar square to Russell square but this never happened even though it would've been really cool.
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Post by britishguy54 on May 8, 2024 11:39:10 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the 150 and EL2 no longer terminate at Becontree Heath Bus Station.
Instead, they now seem to terminate at the Leisure Centre, and wait on Althorne Way, not all that different to the old arrangement, minus the Bus Station.
This also means the historic terminus of the 5 (prior to 2006), and the 129 (now 128) is also gone.
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