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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2024 10:13:21 GMT
Whilst that 2nd sentence is true, it could easily say The London Mayor had 8 years to impress and they've failed to make things better. In fact things have got worse, he just blames everyone else other than himself, and gullible Londoners have just said we want more of this crap! Gullible Londoners by a large margin too - I’m gullible because I voted for him? Your comments really do deserve down the gutter when it comes to politics. Have you temper tantrum elsewhere A self-confessed gullible! Evidence for my theory. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 10:17:32 GMT
Gullible Londoners by a large margin too - I’m gullible because I voted for him? Your comments really do deserve down the gutter when it comes to politics. Have you temper tantrum elsewhere A self-confessed gullible! Evidence for my theory. 🤦🏻♂️ And I’ll think I’ll leave it at that. |
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Post by VWH1419 on May 5, 2024 10:21:49 GMT
I am just disappointed Trocadero won’t be a top notch arcade again anytime soon. 🥲
But I still feel my vote counted very nicely, as it more importantly further rejected far-right fascism. Ironically from an alien.
Sadiq Khan must be the luckiest politician alive! Not only with an good 3rd term majority but also the same city AM in my area, again elected with an bigger majority in a semi-bellwether area (admittedly one of worse for turn out though).
I hope he delivers on most of has manifesto commitments.
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Post by TB123 on May 5, 2024 10:31:18 GMT
This thread has been fascinating to follow in the last 24 hours....
It's no secret, I am a long-standing Labour member and I have been knocking on doors for Sadiq and other candidates every day for weeks - all in outer London.
ULEZ has a bark worse than the bite - it's gone down the list of people's concerns in my experience. It's an imperfect policy, but there will never be a perfect solution to such a complex issue.
Free school meals, building more council houses and freezing TfL PAYG fares were hugely popular policies.
And unlike the Tory candidate, people knew what they were getting with a vote for Sadiq and knew that he'd stand up to Rishi Sunak - like he did with Zip cards amongst other things.
Sadiq won for a good reason - and increased his vote by taking votes from the Tories and the Greens for good reason - he offered policies and a record that got people out their house to go and vote.
And people also like his story which resonates with a lot of Londoners - and comes in stark contrast to the likes of Johnson and Sunak - he grew up on a council estate, the son of a seamstress and a bus driver, worked hard, became a successful lawyer, an MP, a cabinet minister (the first British Muslim to do so) and then has led this city, the first Muslim Mayor in Europe.
And he's come in for some terrible abuse from both Islamic extremists and the far-right, both of which he has taken on skillfully by not only supporting the Islamic community but also voting for gay marriage as an MP and supporting events like Pride - which is what a Mayor of an open and inclusive city should do.
*awaits lynching in 3, 2, 1....*
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2024 10:38:33 GMT
This thread has been fascinating to follow in the last 24 hours.... It's no secret, I am a long-standing Labour member and I have been knocking on doors for Sadiq and other candidates every day for weeks - all in outer London. ULEZ has a bark worse than the bite - it's gone down the list of people's concerns in my experience. It's an imperfect policy, but there will never be a perfect solution to such a complex issue. Free school meals, building more council houses and freezing TfL PAYG fares were hugely popular policies. And unlike the Tory candidate, people knew what they were getting with a vote for Sadiq and knew that he'd stand up to Rishi Sunak - like he did with Zip cards amongst other things. Sadiq won for a good reason - and increased his vote by taking votes from the Tories and the Greens for good reason - he offered policies and a record that got people out their house to go and vote. And people also like his story which resonates with a lot of Londoners - and comes in stark contrast to the likes of Johnson and Sunak - he grew up on a council estate, the son of a seamstress and a bus driver, worked hard, became a successful lawyer, an MP, a cabinet minister (the first British Muslim to do so) and then has led this city, the first Muslim Mayor in Europe. And he's come in for some terrible abuse from both Islamic extremists and the far-right, both of which he has taken on skillfully by not only supporting the Islamic community but also voting for gay marriage as an MP and supporting events like Pride - which is what a Mayor of an open and inclusive city should do. *awaits lynching in 3, 2, 1....* Free school meals for all is a sound byte. Why should the guy earning £30k subsise the guy that earns £130k. It it's the guy in the street that is struggling to step up the ladder, and get their first property that comes off worse. Good targeted where needed, but does the millionaires son need free school meals. To me, that is willful negligence of tax payers money. He moans about not getting enough money, then wastes like this! Is Labour all about subsidizing the rich form the less well off these days? As for council house building, Labours numbers don't add up. You have Sadiq 32,000 council houses are built in London, but you have Labours Southwark council claiming to have built 2,234 council houses, which is more than a third of those built in the UK. I smell a rat ... and don't believe it is Southwark. |
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2024 10:47:18 GMT
At least we agree that the UK did have one of the highest excess death rates, even if we don't agree on the methodology. My point is still that had the Government managed the covid pandemic more competently, fewer people would have died. What would you have done differently? From my perspective I don’t think any other individual country did that well in managing covid. I know people cite New Zealand as a success but they were effectively cut off from the rest of the world, foolishly shutting down everything with even a single case. There is plenty of evidence out there that suggests the government handled the pandemic extremely badly. We had planned for a pandemic since the late 00’s yet this was all cut during the Cameron years and it showed during Covid how ill prepared we were. On top of that, there were several points between its outbreak in China & March 2020 where Boris failed to bother attending cobra meetings which shows the government didn’t bother to take its seriously. Anyway I’ll leave the Covid stuff there as this isn’t the thread for it |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 10:49:24 GMT
This thread has been fascinating to follow in the last 24 hours.... It's no secret, I am a long-standing Labour member and I have been knocking on doors for Sadiq and other candidates every day for weeks - all in outer London. ULEZ has a bark worse than the bite - it's gone down the list of people's concerns in my experience. It's an imperfect policy, but there will never be a perfect solution to such a complex issue. Free school meals, building more council houses and freezing TfL PAYG fares were hugely popular policies. And unlike the Tory candidate, people knew what they were getting with a vote for Sadiq and knew that he'd stand up to Rishi Sunak - like he did with Zip cards amongst other things. Sadiq won for a good reason - and increased his vote by taking votes from the Tories and the Greens for good reason - he offered policies and a record that got people out their house to go and vote. And people also like his story which resonates with a lot of Londoners - and comes in stark contrast to the likes of Johnson and Sunak - he grew up on a council estate, the son of a seamstress and a bus driver, worked hard, became a successful lawyer, an MP, a cabinet minister (the first British Muslim to do so) and then has led this city, the first Muslim Mayor in Europe. And he's come in for some terrible abuse from both Islamic extremists and the far-right, both of which he has taken on skillfully by not only supporting the Islamic community but also voting for gay marriage as an MP and supporting events like Pride - which is what a Mayor of an open and inclusive city should do. *awaits lynching in 3, 2, 1....* Did you take a team of bodyguards with you when you were knocking on doors for Sadiq? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 But seriously it's been suggested that he did very little in the way of campaigning himself because he knows what a hostile reception he'll get in many areas. The anti ULEZ expansion campaign seems to be continuing unabated and it seems many of those involved would normally be labour voters. |
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Post by TB123 on May 5, 2024 10:52:29 GMT
This thread has been fascinating to follow in the last 24 hours.... It's no secret, I am a long-standing Labour member and I have been knocking on doors for Sadiq and other candidates every day for weeks - all in outer London. ULEZ has a bark worse than the bite - it's gone down the list of people's concerns in my experience. It's an imperfect policy, but there will never be a perfect solution to such a complex issue. Free school meals, building more council houses and freezing TfL PAYG fares were hugely popular policies. And unlike the Tory candidate, people knew what they were getting with a vote for Sadiq and knew that he'd stand up to Rishi Sunak - like he did with Zip cards amongst other things. Sadiq won for a good reason - and increased his vote by taking votes from the Tories and the Greens for good reason - he offered policies and a record that got people out their house to go and vote. And people also like his story which resonates with a lot of Londoners - and comes in stark contrast to the likes of Johnson and Sunak - he grew up on a council estate, the son of a seamstress and a bus driver, worked hard, became a successful lawyer, an MP, a cabinet minister (the first British Muslim to do so) and then has led this city, the first Muslim Mayor in Europe. And he's come in for some terrible abuse from both Islamic extremists and the far-right, both of which he has taken on skillfully by not only supporting the Islamic community but also voting for gay marriage as an MP and supporting events like Pride - which is what a Mayor of an open and inclusive city should do. *awaits lynching in 3, 2, 1....* Did you take a team of bodyguards with you when you were knocking on doors for Sadiq? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 But seriously it's been suggested that he did very little in the way of campaigning himself because he knows what a hostile reception he'll get in many areas. The anti ULEZ expansion campaign seems to be continuing unabated and it seems many of those involved would normally be labour voters. Of course not, I have knocked on thousands of doors across England and have always felt safe. People are very reasonable even if they disagree. And that suggestion is, frankly, nonsense - Sadiq was everywhere canvassing, and he did 42,000 steps on polling day. Be that Bexley, Hillingdon or inner London. The anti ULEZ campaign is continuing so 'unabated' and involves 'so many' Labour voters that the anti-ULEZ candidate saw their vote fall and the 'pro-ULEZ' Labour candidate saw their vote increase. Delusion won't change the picture. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2024 10:54:39 GMT
Did you take a team of bodyguards with you when you were knocking on doors for Sadiq? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 But seriously it's been suggested that he did very little in the way of campaigning himself because he knows what a hostile reception he'll get in many areas. The anti ULEZ expansion campaign seems to be continuing unabated and it seems many of those involved would normally be labour voters. Of course not, I have knocked on thousands of doors across England and have always felt safe. People are very reasonable even if they disagree. And that suggestion is, frankly, nonsense - Sadiq was everywhere canvassing, and he did 42,000 steps on polling day. Be that Bexley, Hillingdon or inner London. The anti ULEZ campaign is continuing so 'unabated' and involves 'so many' Labour voters that the anti-ULEZ candidate saw their vote fall and the 'pro-ULEZ' Labour candidate saw their vote increase. Delusion won't change the picture. Is that stat for outer London boroughs where it was introduced or are you leveling stats up using those unaffected? |
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2024 10:59:22 GMT
Gullible Londoners by a large margin too - I’m gullible because I voted for him? Your comments really do deserve down the gutter when it comes to politics. Have you temper tantrum elsewhere A self-confessed gullible! Evidence for my theory. Please stop with these odd outbursts - ibus246 is entitled to vote for who he wants even if I don’t agree with that candidate, really no need to sound like your having a temper tantrum over it, surely none of are toddlers on here now? What you should really be doing is directing your anger towards Hall & the Tory party for either putting up a terrible candidate or for running a terrible campaign and the fact most of the people on here who don’t like Khan aren’t actually doing that baffles me. |
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Post by TB123 on May 5, 2024 10:59:31 GMT
Of course not, I have knocked on thousands of doors across England and have always felt safe. People are very reasonable even if they disagree. And that suggestion is, frankly, nonsense - Sadiq was everywhere canvassing, and he did 42,000 steps on polling day. Be that Bexley, Hillingdon or inner London. The anti ULEZ campaign is continuing so 'unabated' and involves 'so many' Labour voters that the anti-ULEZ candidate saw their vote fall and the 'pro-ULEZ' Labour candidate saw their vote increase. Delusion won't change the picture. Is that stat for outer London boroughs where it was introduced or are you leveling stats up using those unaffected? That's the overall picture, and let's face it most of inner London has seen ULEZ introduced since the last Mayoral election - but of the 10 GLA constituencies that could be called 'outer London' or include parts of it - only 1 had a swing away from Labour and Sadiq (Brent and Harrow) |
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Post by VWH1419 on May 5, 2024 11:07:46 GMT
Is that stat for outer London boroughs where it was introduced or are you leveling stats up using those unaffected? That's the overall picture, and let's face it most of inner London has seen ULEZ introduced since the last Mayoral election - but of the 10 GLA constituencies that could be called 'outer London' or include parts of it - only 1 had a swing away from Labour and Sadiq (Brent and Harrow) The Brent and Harrow one is an interesting result, as one of the few with a reduced majority. Given also during 2022 council elections Harrow residents are happy with a Conservative council in-spite most of the country are deeply unhappy with how the party conducted themselves during those 4+ years. |
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Post by Paul on May 5, 2024 11:32:26 GMT
No of course not but painting a large majority of Londoners with the same brush because an election didn’t go an individuals way is disgusting. The implication is that anyone that voted SK is gullible is disingenuous. He/she should use reasoned argument when engaging in debate. I’m sure there are moderators on here who can close the thread down if the wish And isn't you calling Tories "filthy" equally disgusting? You're entitled to your opinion but I don't think there's any need for that. It’s the same old story - Labour and it’s supporters are perfectly entitled to smear their opposition (see Wes Streeting) but if it’s the other way around it’s absolutely horrific I suspect my thoughts on Khan’s re-election won’t be well received here and I’ve no desire for a political debate. I firmly believe that change is needed in London and I don’t see Khan doing anything different in the next four years. I only hope that in four years time the Conservatives put up a credible candidate and make a concerted push for the Mayoralty. The desire for change is there but work needs to be done to make it happen |
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2024 11:37:50 GMT
Is that stat for outer London boroughs where it was introduced or are you leveling stats up using those unaffected? That's the overall picture, and let's face it most of inner London has seen ULEZ introduced since the last Mayoral election - but of the 10 GLA constituencies that could be called 'outer London' or include parts of it - only 1 had a swing away from Labour and Sadiq (Brent and Harrow) Divided the regions up into 7 inner and 7 outer London areas the best I could given the groupings. Sadiq's vote count first, Halls second. Outer London Bexley & Bromley 48,952 - 111,216 Brent & Harrow 58,743 - 66,151 Croydon & Sutton 59,482 - 78,790 Ealing and Hillingdon 73,257 - 75,396 Enfield & Harringay 82,275 - 41,389 Havering & Redbridge 50,780 - 82,859 Hounslow, Kingston & Richmond 77,011 - 68,856 Outer London Totals 450,500 (46%) - 524,657 (54%) Inner London Greenwich and Lewisham 83,792 - 36,822 Lambeth and Southwark 106,861 - 26,347 Merton and Wandsworth 84,725 - 50,976 Hammersmith & Fulham and Kensington & Chelsea 54,481 - 43,405 Waltham Forest, Hackney and Islington 127,455 - 34,099 Barnet and Camden 70,984 - 57,465 City of London, Barking & Dagenham, Newham and Tower Hamlets 108,977 - 38,626 Inner London Totals 637,275 (69%) - 287,740 (31%) You can tell the ULEZ has not much effect! Hall's percentage nearly doubles between inner and outer London. I feel that argument is very naive. Honestly, I did not vote for Hall, not convinced she would make a great Mayor. I vote for people, not parties. I voted for who I believed would make the best mayor, not what colour rosette they wear. But on the basis that Khan is the worst of the 3 mayors by a long way, and don't believe anyone could do a worse job, on that basis Susan Hall must be an improvement. How big an improvement, don't know, but an improvement. I dispair for Londoner's Outside of London, it was refreshing to see the number of independent councillors increase sustantially. Hopefully this is a sign the wider British public are finally accepting that the current party dominated politics is not working and a fresh approach is needed. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 5, 2024 11:53:02 GMT
Sadiq Khan heckled by Britain First candidate just moments into victory speechSadiq Khan only managed to say ‘Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you London’ before an outbreak of boos from the crowdwww.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-mayoral-election-results-sadiq-khan-susan-hall-britain-first-b1155739.htmlLondon Assembly results are finalisedOverall, Labour won 38.4% of the vote, with the Conservatives on 26.2%. The result means the political make-up of the assembly is: Labour 11 Conservatives 8 Greens 3 Lib Dems 2, and Reform UK 1 There is one member for each of the 14 constituencies and 11 additional members, based on a proportion of the overall result. Interesting, it means Labour are two short of an overall majority on the Assembly. It puts the Greens or the Lib Dems in a strong position and could yet prove to be a thorn in Khan's side if there is disagreement on certain topics. A good result for progressive parties and their supporters though. Same as the past 3 years! The only change in numbers is the Tories losing 1 and Reform gaining that 1. |
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