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Post by matthieu1221 on May 5, 2024 12:02:15 GMT
It was a 40% voter turnout, hardly showing signs of enthusiasm for Khan. What about your nursery? What’s that got to do with anything? 2000 turnout - 33% 2004 turnout - 37% 2008 turnout - 45% 2012 turnout - 38% 2016 turnout - 45% 2021 turnout - 42% 2024 turnout - 41% Really a big difference? There's an incredibly large amount of copium on this thread it's quite hilarious. Not too dissimilar to some parts of Twitter.
Why is the blame on people not voting? Shouldn't the onus be on Hall to mobilise voters who didn't vote, or swing those who voted Khan? Yes, people who don't vote have only themselves to blame if they aren't happy with the result which came about from the fact that by not voting they've delegated their votes to other people, but the real outrage of Khan's win, at least on Twitter, seems to be from 1. people who voted but not from him 2. people who didn't vote but because they don't live in London.
For 1. best of luck in four years and 2. LOL as always.
My favorite suggestion from the 2. people is those suggesting that since London is so important that all Britons should vote for the mayor?
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 5, 2024 12:06:07 GMT
Is that stat for outer London boroughs where it was introduced or are you leveling stats up using those unaffected? That's the overall picture, and let's face it most of inner London has seen ULEZ introduced since the last Mayoral election - but of the 10 GLA constituencies that could be called 'outer London' or include parts of it - only 1 had a swing away from Labour and Sadiq (Brent and Harrow) And in absolute vote terms Hall got less votes than Bailey in most of them! Which really suggests that ULEZ is either not the vote-mobiliser Hall (and others) thought it was or that Hall was the wrong candidate. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 5, 2024 12:31:57 GMT
That's the overall picture, and let's face it most of inner London has seen ULEZ introduced since the last Mayoral election - but of the 10 GLA constituencies that could be called 'outer London' or include parts of it - only 1 had a swing away from Labour and Sadiq (Brent and Harrow) And in absolute vote terms Hall got less votes than Bailey in most of them! Which really suggests that ULEZ is either not the vote-mobiliser Hall (and others) thought it was or that Hall was the wrong candidate. I think it was a combination of the two. Despite the amount of "shouting" around Social Media about ULEZ, it wasn't that high on the list of priorities of the electorate- there have been many surveys published by polling companies to reflect this. Similarly, despise the amount of "shouting" on Social Media, Londoners in general are not that interested in politicians who seem/appear to create divisions. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 12:48:13 GMT
And in absolute vote terms Hall got less votes than Bailey in most of them! Which really suggests that ULEZ is either not the vote-mobiliser Hall (and others) thought it was or that Hall was the wrong candidate. I think it was a combination of the two. Despite the amount of "shouting" around Social Media about ULEZ, it wasn't that high on the list of priorities of the electorate- there have been many surveys published by polling companies to reflect this. Similarly, despise the amount of "shouting" on Social Media, Londoners in general are not that interested in politicians who seem/appear to create divisions. For me the ULEZ wasn't so much about stopping it tomorrow but more exposing how much it cost versus the small reduction in emissions. She didn't do that and therefore the message was irrelevant for probably close to 95% of drivers whose cars are already compliant. For me I didn't like the ULEZ as it effected so little vehicles and I think the money spent on scrappage schemes could have been spent on bringing fares genuinely down (£1 bus fare) to get people out of ALL cars with the temptation of cheaper public transport. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 5, 2024 12:54:55 GMT
I think it was a combination of the two. Despite the amount of "shouting" around Social Media about ULEZ, it wasn't that high on the list of priorities of the electorate- there have been many surveys published by polling companies to reflect this. Similarly, despise the amount of "shouting" on Social Media, Londoners in general are not that interested in politicians who seem/appear to create divisions. For me the ULEZ wasn't so much about stopping it tomorrow but more exposing how much it cost versus the small reduction in emissions. She didn't do that and therefore the message was irrelevant for probably close to 95% of drivers whose cars are already compliant. For me I didn't like the ULEZ as it effected so little vehicles and I think the money spent on scrappage schemes could have been spent on bringing fares genuinely down (£1 bus fare) to get people out of ALL cars with the temptation of cheaper public transport. absolutely agree, I'm hoping that, if Labour win the next General Election, public transport in London will see some real forward thinking policies and investment. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 13:11:04 GMT
At least we agree that the UK did have one of the highest excess death rates, even if we don't agree on the methodology. My point is still that had the Government managed the covid pandemic more competently, fewer people would have died. What would you have done differently? From my perspective I don’t think any other individual country did that well in managing covid. I know people cite New Zealand as a success but they were effectively cut off from the rest of the world, foolishly shutting down everything with even a single case. The whole purpose of the wide-ranging Covid inquiry is to establish as far as possible what did actually happen, and to learn lessons which will inform a better response to a future pandemic or other crisis. However I can say there are two things I would definitely have done differently, had I been your Prime Minister: 1) I would have attended every d*mn Cobra meeting - I would have chaired them myself unless there was a good and compelling resaon for someone else to chair it. 2) I would have declared lockdown on Friday 12th March 2020. The pandemic was declared by the World Health Organisation in February, and by early March we were aware of the hospitals in Northern Italy being overwhelmed by Covid patients. We also knew that people returning from ski-ing trips to that part of the world had brought covid into the UK, and were spreading it asymptomatically. The delay to lockdown was informed by the same libertarian thinking and arguments that opposed New Zealand's (and Australia's) strict lockdowns. |
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Post by M1104 on May 5, 2024 13:50:53 GMT
I wonder how Khan’s election promises regarding buses will come into play like Superloop 2, putting London buses into public ownership and this new route that’s going to run from Golders Green to Stamford Brook will go into consultation stage. The "buses into public ownership" element is pledged to be done in conjunction with a future labour prime minister, so may not happen at all under Khan's mayoralty. |
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Post by borneobus on May 5, 2024 13:52:47 GMT
What would you have done differently? From my perspective I don’t think any other individual country did that well in managing covid. I know people cite New Zealand as a success but they were effectively cut off from the rest of the world, foolishly shutting down everything with even a single case. The whole purpose of the wide-ranging Covid inquiry is to establish as far as possible what did actually happen, and to learn lessons which will inform a better response to a future pandemic or other crisis. However I can say there are two things I would definitely have done differently, had I been your Prime Minister: 1) I would have attended every d*mn Cobra meeting - I would have chaired them myself unless there was a good and compelling resaon for someone else to chair it. 2) I would have declared lockdown on Friday 12th March 2020. The pandemic was declared by the World Health Organisation in February, and by early March we were aware of the hospitals in Northern Italy being overwhelmed by Covid patients. We also knew that people returning from ski-ing trips to that part of the world had brought covid into the UK, and were spreading it asymptomatically. The delay to lockdown was informed by the same libertarian thinking and arguments that opposed New Zealand's (and Australia's) strict lockdowns. Re '2' There were a couple of sporting events that came in for particular scrutiny around this time 1) Cheltenham Festival (with of course many visitors from Ireland) and a Champions League match between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid at Anfield that was attended by 3000 Spanish fans despite Spain already being locked-down. 3) The so-called "Eat Out to Help Out" scheme felt intuitively wrong at the time - to that point the messaging had all been around social distancing but we were now effectively told "It's ok to mingle" with an implicit message that if it's ok to mingle in a pub / restaurant it's ok to mingle anywhere - in testimony to the Covid Enquiry, Government scientists have stated that they weren't consulted regarding this scheme. www.bbc.com/news/health-67479548 |
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 5, 2024 14:29:23 GMT
I wonder how Khan’s election promises regarding buses will come into play like Superloop 2, putting London buses into public ownership and this new route that’s going to run from Golders Green to Stamford Brook will go into consultation stage. The "buses into public ownership" element is pledged to be done in conjunction with a future labour prime minister, so may not happen at all under Khan's mayoralty. The odds look quite good on there being a future Labour prime minister! |
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Post by M1104 on May 5, 2024 15:22:03 GMT
The "buses into public ownership" element is pledged to be done in conjunction with a future labour prime minister, so may not happen at all under Khan's mayoralty. The odds look quite good on there being a future Labour prime minister! However such a prime minister may decide not to work with Khan's pledge on that |
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Post by yunus on May 5, 2024 15:27:27 GMT
The odds look quite good on there being a future Labour prime minister! However such a prime minister may decide not to work with Khan's pledge on that If the labour leader remains as Mr Starmer for instance, I am not confident that he will spend money on TFL that Khan is hoping for. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 5, 2024 15:32:56 GMT
The odds look quite good on there being a future Labour prime minister! However such a prime minister may decide not to work with Khan's pledge on that It's unlikely that the next Labour PM isn't going to be Starmer, and I'd be very surprised if Khan's pledges weren't green lit by Starmer before they were announced as to what he would and wouldn't support. |
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2024 16:20:51 GMT
However such a prime minister may decide not to work with Khan's pledge on that If the labour leader remains as Mr Starmer for instance, I am not confident that he will spend money on TFL that Khan is hoping for. Based on what? |
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Post by yunus on May 5, 2024 16:22:38 GMT
If the labour leader remains as Mr Starmer for instance, I am not confident that he will spend money on TFL that Khan is hoping for. Based on what? Khan has put in his manifesto to make all buses all zero emission by 2030. That would require funding from central govt? The govt may refuse. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2024 16:29:26 GMT
Khan has put in his manifesto to make all buses all zero emission by 2030. That would require funding from central govt? The govt may refuse. Yes, but with so many new Labour areas also wanting money it will be spread pretty thin. The rise of Labour at a time when budgets are being squeezed and GDP is falling will not give Labour an easy ride. Historically Labour governments tend to be a bit more progressive on public spending but the biggest question would be where to spend what little there may be to go around. With large scale projects promised by northern mayors and down south a promise of the Olympics and bus ownership what project does Starmer cut first or do we pay for it in tax increases which would go down like a lead balloon? |
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