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Post by WH241 on May 5, 2024 16:34:44 GMT
Khan has put in his manifesto to make all buses all zero emission by 2030. That would require funding from central govt? The govt may refuse. Said it so many times but will repeat it again. I will be staggered if they can convert the whole fleet by 2030! We are half way through 2024 and have already seen how slow roll outs are due to infrastructure works. Also need to fact in delays delivering new buses as companies meet demands from London and outside especially with more and more franchises coming online which may require electric buses. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 16:38:33 GMT
If the labour leader remains as Mr Starmer for instance, I am not confident that he will spend money on TFL that Khan is hoping for. Based on what? I know all Politicains say what they think we want to hear but Rachel Reeves has been saying there won't be any major borrowing and I can still see the North being more prioritised. Especially with Angela Raynor playing a bit role in Government. If nothing else surely the Bakerloo will have to be the first place for investment. Or let's hope it is as as lovely as old trains are these really are life expired. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 16:50:35 GMT
I know all Politicains say what they think we want to hear but Rachel Reeves has been saying there won't be any major borrowing and I can still see the North being more prioritised. Especially with Angela Raynor playing a bit role in Government. If nothing else surely the Bakerloo will have to be the first place for investment. Or let's hope it is as as lovely as old trains are these really are life expired. An all-electric bus fleet by 2030 is perfectly achievable, and would be an easy and relatively cheap win for Labour. By 2029 we will be looking at another General Election and Labour will be wanting to show it meant business on its green pledges. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2024 16:54:56 GMT
I know all Politicains say what they think we want to hear but Rachel Reeves has been saying there won't be any major borrowing and I can still see the North being more prioritised. Especially with Angela Raynor playing a bit role in Government. If nothing else surely the Bakerloo will have to be the first place for investment. Or let's hope it is as as lovely as old trains are these really are life expired. I think TfL would be better placed to explore PFI options for the Bakerloo line. Perhaps they can raise funding by selling off more land to developers. Air rights to TfL tube depots could be a big one. The one on London Road in Lambeth could be ripe for air rights redevelopment. |
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2024 17:39:20 GMT
Khan has put in his manifesto to make all buses all zero emission by 2030. That would require funding from central govt? The govt may refuse. Yes and the government may not refuse? That’s my point, there is nothing so far to point in either direction |
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 5, 2024 17:56:05 GMT
However such a prime minister may decide not to work with Khan's pledge on that It's unlikely that the next Labour PM isn't going to be Starmer, and I'd be very surprised if Khan's pledges weren't green lit by Starmer before they were announced as to what he would and wouldn't support. They also slid in public ownership onto Haigh's plan for buses so there's likely to have been some talk between at least Haigh and Khan on it I'd imagine. |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 18:39:03 GMT
I think it was a combination of the two. Despite the amount of "shouting" around Social Media about ULEZ, it wasn't that high on the list of priorities of the electorate- there have been many surveys published by polling companies to reflect this. Similarly, despise the amount of "shouting" on Social Media, Londoners in general are not that interested in politicians who seem/appear to create divisions. For me the ULEZ wasn't so much about stopping it tomorrow but more exposing how much it cost versus the small reduction in emissions. She didn't do that and therefore the message was irrelevant for probably close to 95% of drivers whose cars are already compliant. For me I didn't like the ULEZ as it effected so little vehicles and I think the money spent on scrappage schemes could have been spent on bringing fares genuinely down (£1 bus fare) to get people out of ALL cars with the temptation of cheaper public transport. It didn't affect me as my car is compliant but I do see the bigger picture and the detrimental effect it's had on many businesses. I think it's a forlorn hope trying to get people out of cars and onto public transport. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2024 19:07:05 GMT
However such a prime minister may decide not to work with Khan's pledge on that It's unlikely that the next Labour PM isn't going to be Starmer, and I'd be very surprised if Khan's pledges weren't green lit by Starmer before they were announced as to what he would and wouldn't support. At the expense of the NHS or what? |
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Post by WH241 on May 5, 2024 19:14:04 GMT
It's unlikely that the next Labour PM isn't going to be Starmer, and I'd be very surprised if Khan's pledges weren't green lit by Starmer before they were announced as to what he would and wouldn't support. At the expense of the NHS or what? We might get the superloopy routes but can't see Starmer pumping loads of money into London after that! Won't be a good look being London centric especially at the start of a new government (Assuming they win the GE).
I would much rather money is spent on the NHS and no more daft projects like naming train lines! £6 Million is 6 Million.
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Post by Green Kitten on May 5, 2024 19:22:33 GMT
For me the ULEZ wasn't so much about stopping it tomorrow but more exposing how much it cost versus the small reduction in emissions. She didn't do that and therefore the message was irrelevant for probably close to 95% of drivers whose cars are already compliant. For me I didn't like the ULEZ as it effected so little vehicles and I think the money spent on scrappage schemes could have been spent on bringing fares genuinely down (£1 bus fare) to get people out of ALL cars with the temptation of cheaper public transport. It didn't affect me as my car is compliant but I do see the bigger picture and the detrimental effect it's had on many businesses. I think it's a forlorn hope trying to get people out of cars and onto public transport. If we get more people on public transport and this can improve the system I’m all for it. I’m sympathetic to business owners though. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 5, 2024 20:46:06 GMT
It didn't affect me as my car is compliant but I do see the bigger picture and the detrimental effect it's had on many businesses. I think it's a forlorn hope trying to get people out of cars and onto public transport. If we get more people on public transport and this can improve the system I’m all for it. I’m sympathetic to business owners though. I think the key here is it's good to push people onto cars, but make sure the public transport infrastructure is good enough to take them once they all get displaced. The London network while once world leading is not fit for purpose in its current state. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2024 20:57:17 GMT
Bit hard to “get over it” when the worst mayor this city has ever had gets a third term to mess it up even more. In your opinion the worst yes, but not the opinion of London? I’ve heard my local nursery has places free. Free nursery??? Where in London is that, because unless it is school, I do not know any nurseries that are free and not charging. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 20:59:16 GMT
In your opinion the worst yes, but not the opinion of London? I’ve heard my local nursery has places free. Free nursery??? Where in London is that, because unless it is school, I do not know any nurseries that are free and not charging. All my nursery was free in 1990 before I started reception in 1992. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2024 21:00:40 GMT
What’s Russia and Ukraine got to do with the Tories? Britain has been a staunch ally of Ukraine, Covid? The whole world went through that. I remember the Blair years in the 00s well, people would always refer back to the Thatcher years of the 80s as a whataboutism. The Tories effed up, but let’s not pretend things will be sunshine and roses under Starmer The whole world went through Covid, but the UK had one of the worst excess death rates because of the Government's poor handling of the situation. Economically we also have one of the weakest recoveries - again because of the Government's poor handling of the economy. You can see the effects of Tory policy every time you see someone sleeping in a shop doorway or underpass. Street homelessness was something that had been almost totally eradicated last time we had a Labour Government. It will not be sunshine and roses under Starmer's Labour. The country is in a huge mess due to Conservative mismanagement and will take a long time to get back on its feet. It does look like people are willing to give Labour that chance now. That is absolute nonsense and you know it. Homelessness in London was still rife in London even the last few years of Labour. It was increasing at the time due to Labour's credit card situation causing people to borrow more than they should. Maybe there was not much methods of recording it, but I remember loads of places where people were sleeping rough. Some you can never stop from doing it. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 5, 2024 21:03:32 GMT
The whole world went through Covid, but the UK had one of the worst excess death rates because of the Government's poor handling of the situation. Economically we also have one of the weakest recoveries - again because of the Government's poor handling of the economy. You can see the effects of Tory policy every time you see someone sleeping in a shop doorway or underpass. Street homelessness was something that had been almost totally eradicated last time we had a Labour Government. It will not be sunshine and roses under Starmer's Labour. The country is in a huge mess due to Conservative mismanagement and will take a long time to get back on its feet. It does look like people are willing to give Labour that chance now. The excess deaths comment is a bit subjective. There was no agreed way of recording data. So some countries only recorded and released figures purely of Covid deaths i.e no other underlying conditions etc. Whereas here doctors were recording it within the other causes. There are numerous stories of family members in the UK having to argue doctors into removing it as a suspected cause. So on paper the UK may have had a high excess death rate but the reality is we really won’t ever know the true figures as many of those that died would have been waiting for treatment or had their doctor visits delayed by covid. There was a lot of doctors doing this and I have no idea why. Some even went back and challenged it and got them to change the death certificate. Seems like fraud |
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