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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 2, 2024 9:24:26 GMT
Out of curiosity what bit of the scheme do you think is poorly executed? I think it's mostly too early to tell, though it is frustrating the Old Kent Road has gone from 30 to 20 mph speed limits as a start. It's the name and branding I've got a problem with. They've gone out of the way to make the 607 and X68 Superloop routes which are radial, yet this is getting it's own separate brand. You could argue that the SL8 should be called 'Centraloop' due to it weaving around the Central Line until Ealing. I think it would have been a good idea integrating this route with the Superloop. While not a loop the brand Superloop has come to mean express. The brand is getting very confused, they don’t seem to know what it is meant to mean either in logic or in practice. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 2, 2024 9:25:58 GMT
An express bus on Old Kent Road would be a bit more practical if it wasn’t restricted to 20mph… hopefully this doesn’t impact the 21, 53 or 453’s frequencies because all three of them still provide unique links that this express route won’t. ‘Paid for from within existing budgets’ sounds ominous. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 9:26:43 GMT
I’ll be the “usual” suspect with my reply. It does make me laugh how it has taken ULEZ expanding and an upcoming election to suddenly find money to create these new routes. How many years did the network go without any new routes on this scale? Have TfL given up on new normal all stops routes now? Given up on them so much they only introduced two new all stops routes last month. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2024 9:31:43 GMT
www.se1.news/bakerloop-old-kent-road-bus-sadiq-khan/Sadiq Khan is proposing an express "Bakerloop" bus along the path of the proposed Bakerloo line extension from Lewisham up the Old Kent Road to Elephant as an prequel in the event he is re-elected Mayor on 2nd May. It would use buses in Bakerloo brown livery, as well as similar fixtures and moquette. It would run alongside the existing 21 and 453 routes. View Attachment No doubt the usual suspects will decry this as a waste of money but I think this would be a useful addition to the local transport network. The current direct bus link between Elephant and Lewisham is the very indirect and slow 136, Old Kent Road is wide enough to allow an express bus to overtake stopping buses and it offers some extra capacity as well as quicker journeys on an already very busy corridor. I suspect this would be numbered 'BL1' I agree this one would probably be quite good. Lewisham to Elephant has always been a bit of a missing link in terms to direct routing compared to the 136 now and the 199 in the past. Would be nice thou if it maybe went to TSQ or even Oxford Circus. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 2, 2024 9:41:00 GMT
I’ll be the “usual” suspect with my reply. It does make me laugh how it has taken ULEZ expanding and an upcoming election to suddenly find money to create these new routes. How many years did the network go without any new routes on this scale? Have TfL given up on new normal all stops routes now? Given up on them so much they only introduced two new all stops routes last month. Net gain in all stops routes in March is zero though. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 2, 2024 9:42:28 GMT
Just seen the tweet from Sadiq so basically he is saying London can only have the route if we vote for him? So basically bribing Londoners! Nothing about this route is about add to the network it’s all about him!
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 9:44:29 GMT
Just seen the tweet from Sadiq so basically he is saying London can only have the route if we vote for him? So basically bribing Londoners! Nothing about this route is about add to the network it’s all about him! Tell me you don't understand democracy, without telling me you don't have democracy. Politicians propose policies. People vote for politicians accordingly. Said policies happen or they don't happen on the back of that democratic mandate. it's as simple as that. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 2, 2024 9:48:49 GMT
Just seen the tweet from Sadiq so basically he is saying London can only have the route if we vote for him? So basically bribing Londoners! Nothing about this route is about add to the network it’s all about him! Tell me you don't understand democracy, without telling me you don't have democracy. Politicians propose policies. People vote for politicians accordingly. Said policies happen or they don't happen on the back of that democratic mandate. it's as simple as that. I’m not a wannabe politician! This shouldn’t be about vote for me you can have this route. If there is a genuine need for the route it should be consulted on in the normal manner and go ahead regardless if who is Mayor. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2024 9:53:20 GMT
Tell me you don't understand democracy, without telling me you don't have democracy. Politicians propose policies. People vote for politicians accordingly. Said policies happen or they don't happen on the back of that democratic mandate. it's as simple as that. I’m not a wannabe politician! This shouldn’t be about vote for me you can have this route. If there is a genuine need for the route it should be consulted on in the normal manner and go ahead regardless if who is Mayor. In other words TFL should not be run on the wim of mayor's and should be left to them to decided in extra capacity is needed a more independent consultation process where a last minute headline saviour moment can't happen (like when Boris saved the 13 only for a year later it go again in the guise of the 82 withdrawal). |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 9:53:32 GMT
Tell me you don't understand democracy, without telling me you don't have democracy. Politicians propose policies. People vote for politicians accordingly. Said policies happen or they don't happen on the back of that democratic mandate. it's as simple as that. I’m not a wannabe politician! This shouldn’t be about vote for me you can have this route. If there is a genuine need for the route it should be consulted on in the normal manner and go ahead regardless if who is Mayor. You should tell that to Susan Hall then who isn't willing to introduce this extra bus route. Transport policy is the responsibility of the elected Mayor and therefore will be done according to the strategy of the day. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 2, 2024 9:56:37 GMT
Tell me you don't understand democracy, without telling me you don't have democracy. Politicians propose policies. People vote for politicians accordingly. Said policies happen or they don't happen on the back of that democratic mandate. it's as simple as that. I’m not a wannabe politician! This shouldn’t be about vote for me you can have this route. If there is a genuine need for the route it should be consulted on in the normal manner and go ahead regardless if who is Mayor. How else are they meant to win votes if they don't say what they'll do after they're elected? |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 2, 2024 10:07:35 GMT
I’m not a wannabe politician! This shouldn’t be about vote for me you can have this route. If there is a genuine need for the route it should be consulted on in the normal manner and go ahead regardless if who is Mayor. How else are they meant to win votes if they don't say what they'll do after they're elected? All I am saying is if there is a genuine need for the route why is it not being proceeded with in the normal manner? The Superloop routes were a ULEZ distraction and poorly executed in some cases but were not offered only as a term of voting for the Mayor. |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 2, 2024 10:13:22 GMT
Had to double check the Instagram page to make sure I was seeing correctly 😂 ,
Not a bad Idea I guess it would be a relatively short express route so could be a small PVR and would speed up times between Elephant & Lewisham a "X21" type contract .
I don't know why the "loop" has to be involved though as it's not a loop route if anything stick with Superloop or have a different brand for Express straight line routes that aren't part of the loop but if thats the case can we have a "Districtloop" (X5) and a "Elizloop" (X25) Mr Saviour Sadiq .
Also might be a few more "Bakerloops" if the Bakerloo line doesn't get it's new trains soon , maybe this is the reason why it's it's own brand .
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 2, 2024 10:18:32 GMT
Had to double check the Instagram page to make sure I was seeing correctly 😂 , Not a bad Idea I guess it would be a relatively short express route so could be a small PVR and would speed up times between Elephant & Lewisham a "X21" type contract . I don't know why the "loop" has to be involved though as it's not a loop route if anything stick with Superloop or have a different brand for Express straight line routes that aren't part of the loop but if thats the case can we have a "Districtloop" (X5) and a "Elizloop" (X25) Mr Saviour Sadiq . It’s not a terrible idea but just stinks of desperation. Perhaps Khan should explore PFI options to fund the Bakerloo extension as I don’t beehive any government will look at funding it for at least the next decade. I don’t see it happening before 2050. |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 2, 2024 10:23:45 GMT
I’m not a wannabe politician! This shouldn’t be about vote for me you can have this route. If there is a genuine need for the route it should be consulted on in the normal manner and go ahead regardless if who is Mayor. You should tell that to Susan Hall then who isn't willing to introduce this extra bus route. Transport policy is the responsibility of the elected Mayor and therefore will be done according to the strategy of the day. With just over a month to go still waiting to see Susan Halls policies bar ULEZ does she have any transport policies ? I know Andreas wants to start process of automation and Brian Rose wants to privatise the tube which although not great policies at least they stand for something and I think the route will go ahead regardless slight bit of bribery though . |
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